Rumor: 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!

[TruePowerSlave]

I just don’t see how Sakic would let all three of Kadri, Burakovsky, and Nuke to leave in off season. If he had to overpay to keep Nuke he will.

Sakic went down to the wire with Landeskog because he didn't like the contract. He doesn't f*** around in negotiations, can't see how this will be any different.

The problem is that many other GMs are desperate asf and have no issue handing out outrageous offers once free agency starts.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

Figuring Mac’s deal out does help allow the Avs to figure out Nuke and/or Kadri.

They can afford to sign them in the now without it, but what Mac signs for could allow Joe to take a little more risk on those deals, maybe giving that extra 500k as an example, or the extra year, if Mac does indeed sign that truly cap friendly deal.

conversely, if he signs a more normalized deal, or really does want to cash in it helps set the long term playing field some.

 

[Avsboy]

Had NYI gotten Miller that would have been a very active day for the bottom dwellers of the East (NYI, OTT, MTL). It still was in many ways. I think Boston and Pittsburgh are on the way down.

 

[Pokecheque]

Avs are definitely gonna circle back on Kane

*barf emoji*

 

[CaleMakaw]

*barf emoji*

Patrick not Evander.

 

[hughdreamz]

Sakic seems do have an understanding if MacKinnon is gonna bend him over at $12M+ or if he’ll have more room around $10-11M

 

[Drury_Sakic]

What assets do we have though to land Kane? We would have to give up a ton and we already have bare cubbards.

We gotta find a way to keep Nuke

While there still would be a price to pay that might be steep, at this point it seems likely that Kane will say where he wants to go and the Hawks will be forced/willing? to accommodate it. Newhook, C prospect, and a conditional pick (1st/2nd over the next year or two depending on results) probably gets a deal done if Kane says he wants Colorado and Colorado only.

now, if Kane has a few teams he is willing to go to, it could drive the Avs out of the race.

 

[dahrougem2]

Let's say Georgiev comes in at 2x3M. Looking at Cap Friendly the Avs will have roughly 20.5M in cap space to sign 5 forwards and 2 defensemen.

If we assume JMFJ comes back at 750K and whoever they sign for the 4th line C position comes in at 1M then we're looking at 18.75M to sign 4 forwards and a defensemen.

Things could get tight real quick here.

 

[Islay1989]

Helm should be next. Let him coast through RS like last year and then he can play balls to the wall in the playoffs.

 

[hughdreamz]

This is my dream off season.

 

[dahrougem2]

If I was mock GMing the rest of this offseason:

- Sign Valeri Nichushkin 6x6M
- Sign Vincent Trocheck 6x6.5M
- Sign Artturi Lehkonen 6x4.25M
- Sign Jack Johnson 1x750K
- Sign Curtis Lazar 1x950K (only if Helm doesn't want to return)
- Sign Alexandar Georgiev 2x3M

- Trade Samuel Girard and 2024 4th to Carolina for Martin Necas, Ethan Bear and 2023 2nd
- Sign Martin Necas to 2x2.75M
- Sign Ethan Bear to 2x2.25M

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Trocheck - Rantanen
Newhook - Necas - Compher
Cogliano - Meyers/Lazar - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Bear
JMFJ - EJ

Georgiev
Francouz

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Let's say Georgiev comes in at 2x3M. Looking at Cap Friendly the Avs will have roughly 20.5M in cap space to sign 5 forwards and 2 defensemen.

If we assume JMFJ comes back at 750K and whoever they sign for the 4th line C position comes in at 1M then we're looking at 18.75M to sign 4 forwards and a defensemen.

Things could get tight real quick here.

Not quite. Avs would have 10F, 7D, 2G signed after that so 18.75M to sign 3F and 1D.


The Dman shouldn't be very much at all. A bottom pairing 5/6 guy shouldn't cost more then ~$1.5M. $2M absolute max.

That would leave about $17M to sign 3 Forwards. Actually quite a bit of wiggle room. An average of $5.666M per forward. We know Lehky will get less then that. Even if he comes in at $4.5M, that would be $12.5M left to spend on two forwards. $6.25M per player is actually pretty good space. That's potentially Nichushkin + Trocheck.


EDIT: That's also for a full 23 man roster. MacDermid's ability to play F or Defense gives the Avs the option to run a 22 man roster instead with MacDermid as the 13th F and Johnson the 7th D if they really need to go that route.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

At this point, I think Joe is aware of how much Nate's going to cost so he's comfortable dealing with his pressing UFAs. Should be a quick phone call with Kadri's agent unless there is a serious chance of keeping him. Nukes though you got to think he's the priority over 2C at this point unless his asks are completely unreasonable. He's just that important to the team. He's damn near essential in my opinion. He was the straw that mixed the drink on every line he's played on.

I don't know how realistic any of this is, but I'd like to see these moves over the next few weeks...

• Trade for Patrick Kane (50% retained assume Newhook ++ is involved).
• Trade Girard + picks for Bo Horvat signed.
• Re-sign Nuke
• Re-sign Manson
• Extend MacKinnon

Landeskog-MacKinnon-Kane
Nichushkin-Horvat-Rantanen
Lehkonen-Meyers-Compher
Cogliano-Sedlak-O'Connor

Byram-Makar
Toews-Manson
JMFJ/Free Agent-EJ

George
Frank

Not a bad lineup although not very realistic, is it?

 

[Richard88]

Not quite. Avs would have 10F, 7D, 2G signed after that so 18.75M to sign 3F and 1D.


The Dman shouldn't be very much at all. A bottom pairing 5/6 guy shouldn't cost more then ~$1.5M. $2M absolute max.

That would leave about $17M to sign 3 Forwards. Actually quite a bit of wiggle room. An average of $5.666M per forward. We know Lehky will get less then that. Even if he comes in at $4.5M, that would be $12.5M left to spend on two forwards. $6.25M per player is actually pretty good space. That's potentially Nichushkin + Trocheck.


EDIT: That's also for a full 23 man roster. MacDermid's ability to play F or Defense gives the Avs the option to run a 22 man roster instead with MacDermid as the 13th F and Johnson the 7th D if they really need to go that route.

Yeah Avs have a tonne of room to work with. Sakic doesn't like to hand out big UFA deals to external guys though so it'll be interesting to see how he goes about his business.

I've often said that the Avs have a $5-6m 'gap' on the 2nd like for one season, 2022-23, with that money ideally needing to come off the books in 2023 to maintain cap flexibility for raises. It's why someone like JT Miller would be so perfect for example.

Signing Georgiev instead of Kuemper will now give some extra flexibility, but that $5-6m x 1 year range still makes sense to allow the savings in goal to go towards depth and D.

With that said, I'm sure there's a really good chance that Sakic is looking at the limited 2C options available to him (i.e. no perfect trade avenues and expensive UFA's) and thinks it would be better to spend assets on a PPG play-driving winger like Kane, who would fit perfectly in that $5-6m x1 range, and then go cheap at 2C with one of Newhook/Compher/Meyers.

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Nichuskin - Newhook* - Kane
Meyers* - Compher* - Lehkonen
Cogliano - xxxx - O'Connor

Some have mentioned 1st + Newhook as a likely return, but in an all-in year it would make more sense to make a trade without removing anything off the roster itself by using pure futures, even if it means completely emptying the cupboard. 2 1st's, Behrens, Olausson, Foudy, etc should be enough to work with for a pending UFA with a full NMC one would think.

Another alternative which would partially be a hockey trade could be something like Girard+1st+prospect for Kane (50%) + Murphy to get a good partner for Byram with some term ($4.4mx4). Girard would be a perfect partner for Jones so that would be a top-pairing they can build around going forwards.

Toews - Makar
Byram - Murphy
xxxxx -- EJ

 

[Richard88]

If for whatever reason we can't re-up Nuke that's when Kane would become interesting. What sucks is giving up assets for him though.

Kane is probably of interest regardless of Nichuskin. He'd essentially fill the 2C role as a winger, while costing just $1.45m in real salary at 50% retained, and with his NMC he probably wouldn't be more expensive to acquire than other 2C options like Miller, Dubois, etc.

 

[Richard88]

If I was mock GMing the rest of this offseason:

- Sign Valeri Nichushkin 6x6M
- Sign Vincent Trocheck 6x6.5M
- Sign Artturi Lehkonen 6x4.25M
- Sign Jack Johnson 1x750K
- Sign Curtis Lazar 1x950K (only if Helm doesn't want to return)
- Sign Alexandar Georgiev 2x3M

- Trade Samuel Girard and 2024 4th to Carolina for Martin Necas, Ethan Bear and 2023 2nd
- Sign Martin Necas to 2x2.75M
- Sign Ethan Bear to 2x2.25M

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Nichushkin
Lehkonen - Trocheck - Rantanen
Newhook - Necas - Compher
Cogliano - Meyers/Lazar - O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Bear
JMFJ - EJ

Georgiev
Francouz

Not sure how happy Necas would be playing 3C and effectively being stuck behind Trocheck long-term for a top 6 job...

 

[Richard88]

Somebody's mad

I wonder what the dominos would have been had NYI acquired JT Miller.

I suspect they'd want to re-sign Miller to play 1C/2C so Brock Nelson probably would have been the one to move to make room.

With NYI wanting a PMD LHD (which they filled with Romanov) something around Girard and Nelson would probably have been a decent framework for a deal, which could possibly also be expanded to include Beauvillier.

 

[UncleRisto]

- Sign Vincent Trocheck 6x6.5M

F that.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Vaslof]

The f*** is a Mookie Betts?

 

[AvsCOL]

Now that Kuemper is hitting free agency, there's no excuse not to sign Nuke at the very least. Even if he gets $6mil on a long term deal, the Avs are in good shape cap wise.

2C remains the hole. Think Kadri walks, so gotta find someone there.

 

[Frenchy]

The f*** is a Mookie Betts?

MLB , ex Boston Red Sox's Player

 

[Ararana]

I agree Patty Kane makes a shit ton more sense capwise if Nuke ends up walking. I'm a little nervous what the trade price would be though, even for a one year rental.

Lehkonen - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Landeskog - ???? - Kane


Still need that 2C though...

 

[redacted]

Let's say Georgiev comes in at 2x3M. Looking at Cap Friendly the Avs will have roughly 20.5M in cap space to sign 5 forwards and 2 defensemen.

If we assume JMFJ comes back at 750K and whoever they sign for the 4th line C position comes in at 1M then we're looking at 18.75M to sign 4 forwards and a defensemen.

Things could get tight real quick here.

Yup... comes down to how much is Nuke getting and does he stay? It is certainly a lot better right now though than paying ~6 for Kuemper.

The f*** is a Mookie Betts?

Baseball player...

 

[AllAboutAvs]

The real question people here need to ask themselves is:

Is Patrick Kane at 50% retained minus the assets required to acquire him more important to this team than Pokecheque?

I don't think you can have both co-existing.