TruePowerSlave
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The depth has been abysmal. The top group is one of the best in the league and would have even better stats if opponents had any reason to respect the other lines.
Rumor: 2022-2023 Free Agency and Trade Rumors: STILL searching for a 2C
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henchman21
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They might have better per stats... but I doubt in raw numbers. A decent reason some players are getting so many points is they are playing 3-4 minutes more a game (with a good chunk on the PP). It is kinda a myth that bad teams limit scoring. Yeah they do at the VERY bottom of the league.... but there are many great scoring seasons on .500 teams, really some of the best performances out of more normal players (not the McDavids) are on meh teams.
TruePowerSlave
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The forwards probably stay more or less the same, Makar definitely would score more. He is not getting those points with other lines on the ice like before because they are inept offensively.
henchman21
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I'd say it impacts G more than Makar as Makar has been heavily slanted to being with the top line in previous seasons and this season.
TruePowerSlave
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Definitely. G would get more points as should pretty much all the Dmen if this years version wasn't mostly an one line team.
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There’s an athletic article on players that have fallen out of favor that could be traded. One of the players, Ian Mitchel of Chicago, seems like he could be a fit for the Avs based on what I read about his play style and having a cheap contract. I know nothing about the player, any thoughts? He played a DU too I think
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Chiarelli
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Been saying since early December the signs were there for this team to fall apart. Goaltending was playing over their head, guys playing way too many mins, injuries/reinjury/and taking a while to return to form, zero depth.
This team isn’t a player or two away from being a contender. Don’t trade that 1st without top 16 protection on it.
This team isn’t a player or two away from being a contender. Don’t trade that 1st without top 16 protection on it.
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I've been saying this was going to be an issue since the freaking offseason. I didn't know we were going to be a walking health ward which no one could have predicted. But the point is depth coming into the year stood out to me as a point of concern, it's just 100x worse than I expected due to the injuries.
They get nothing from their depth players. There isn't a single player on that list other than Byram and Manson that should be back here next season. That includes Girard, he sucks, there is no nice way around it.
This is 100% the problem. The top guys are getting massive attention every night, because other teams can just match them then take 3 shifts off. There is no threat of danger anywhere else in the lineup.
Just a shocking organizational failure from top to bottom, not only on the scouting and development side, but the players' side as well. To be unable to muster even the bare minimum required of a pro hockey player is simply unacceptable, especially on a team expecting to win championships. And yet not only has it become acceptable, it's now the norm for those guys.
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IF the front office decides to recoup some assets and aim towards an off-season retool I wonder if Toews gets out on the block. He’s by far our best trade chip, might be starting to regress (could just be a down year) and he’s signed for another year. He’s a player who could get an absolute haul of assets including assets that would be able to help us in the near and long term.
henchman21
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I’d say there is about zero chance this org sells off anybody. The closest would be purging EJ to clear space to add.
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It really ties their hands this year too, as the 2023 class is considered to be a strong draft class, they can’t really afford to lose the pick in my opinion. They’re not hitting on anything beyond the 1st round, and even then the picks have been just fair.
Avs have a big problem in that all of their potential trade assets are trending at all time low value. Newhook, Girard, Kaut etc… all playing below what they should be.
in my opinion it was a terrible decision to keep EJ, AND sign Manson. That’s way too much tied up in defensemen, and it leaves you with no flexibility to sign anyone on the forwards side. Now both guys have NTC’s, and won’t be moved.
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Perratrooper
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Oh I agree, just drumming up some conversation different than what has been beat to death over the last 6 or so months. I could see this year being closer to the Bodker season where we try to make a late push and just miss while giving up assets for a rental.
Hopefully getting players back healthy will inject some life into this corpse of a team
Richard Doll
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This season may be lost, but it isn't like this team has suddenly gone to shit. They are just a player or 2 away from being cup contenders again, so long as the team hospital isn't full of key personal.
We had Mac out for a big period of time, Landy all year, Nuke most of the year, Manson a good part of the year, Bo a good part of the year, ERod part of the year, what the heck do we expect out of everyone left?
We get everyone back, maybe not this year, but next year, and add a piece or 2, this team is right back with the top runners.
We had Mac out for a big period of time, Landy all year, Nuke most of the year, Manson a good part of the year, Bo a good part of the year, ERod part of the year, what the heck do we expect out of everyone left?
We get everyone back, maybe not this year, but next year, and add a piece or 2, this team is right back with the top runners.
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henchman21
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Really knew it in August… or even earlier. People didn’t want to think the team would be hit this bad, but it was clear losing what they did would hurt.
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Nor should they. They should be going in the opposite direction of that. I'm sure they can put top one protection on that pick if they really want to. Just to calm some people down.
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Knowing the Avs, they'd put protection on it, never tell anyone, and we all get to argue over pick protection for 12 months until it doesn't matter anymore.
I am sure I am not the first to point this out but if this season goes to hell the off-season move that seems far more likely is dealing Toews, not Girard. Toews gets a better return, has one year left with no guarantees he re-signs and his current cap hit will attract multiple teams. This is another Tyson Barrie like situation, where they could dangle him at the draft and re-stock the shelves. I say this as someone who loves Toews but there it is.
That's who I would definitely trade and recoup like you say. Avs need to keep the picks and get more picks on young players with potential.
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