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Nowotny said:
Bedard? Do you think NHL would allow him to go to Arizona?He can start sleeping in Blackhawks jersey.....
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If we win the lottery and get the 1st pick and draft Bedard, do you think NHL reps would step up on the stage and say Arizona can't have him, but the number two pick can. So then we have to switch to taking Mischkov or Fantilli. Has that ever happened before in the history of professional sports? If so, then why is there a draft order if some teams don't deserve certain players?
Or am I overthinking your question and you are saying the NHL will rig the draft and weigh down our balls so we drop to the third pick?
 
It is just based on the past.Never in the history of this franchise Arizona moved up in the draft.They either stayed put or lost ground.Mathematical chance of that happening is 17.4.
 
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rt said:
Guenther with 4 assists tonight as Edmonton eliminated Winnipeg and moved on in the WHL playoffs.
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Pffff. Whatever.....guy can't even score a goal in a 7 goal game. Bust. :)

Speaking of WPG, looks like Savoie didn't play the last 2 games, so not sure if that's a serious injury and if it will have any effect on his draft positioning. But more noteworthy, it looks like Connor Geekie had a very mediocre playoffs, especially this past series. Wonder if that effects his draft stock, though it has no bearing on us specifically, given where we're picking.
 
jmelm said:
Pffff. Whatever.....guy can't even score a goal in a 7 goal game. Bust. :)

Speaking of WPG, looks like Savoie didn't play the last 2 games, so not sure if that's a serious injury and if it will have any effect on his draft positioning. But more noteworthy, it looks like Connor Geekie had a very mediocre playoffs, especially this past series. Wonder if that effects his draft stock, though it has no bearing on us specifically, given where we're picking.
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I’ll watch some of the games between now and the draft. But I’m inclined to drop Geekie. I was worried about the inconsistency but hoped he’d step up when the going got tough (it was just too easy for him many times in the regular season) but he did not seem to rise to the occasion. That’s worrisome. There are times when he looks like he should go 1st overall. There are times when he looks like a 4th rounder.
 
rt said:
I’ll watch some of the games between now and the draft. But I’m inclined to drop Geekie. I was worried about the inconsistency but hoped he’d step up when the going got tough (it was just too easy for him many times in the regular season) but he did not seem to rise to the occasion. That’s worrisome. There are times when he looks like he should go 1st overall. There are times when he looks like a 4th rounder.
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Yup, I'm with you. I think it's far too big of a risk with Geekie. I'd far rather take the risk (which I don't believe will be an issue down the road) with the Russian players if I want to swing for the fences.

Wright also didn't step up in the playoffs as much as I would have wanted him to. That's part of why I say I'd be inclined to leave him in the OHL for one more year.
 
jmelm said:
Yup, I'm with you. I think it's far too big of a risk with Geekie. I'd far rather take the risk (which I don't believe will be an issue down the road) with the Russian players if I want to swing for the fences.

Wright also didn't step up in the playoffs as much as I would have wanted him to. That's part of why I say I'd be inclined to leave him in the OHL for one more year.
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I’m not that far. I’d have Geekie in the Yurov/Lambert zone but but a good 15-20 spots ahead of Miroshnichenko/Trikozov/Perevalov. Geekie has tremendous upside. I’ve seen him take over games both offensively and physically. When he gets fired up, he’s the perfect hockey player. Huge, mean, and skilled. Beat you on the scoreboard and in the back alley. Not one of those other kids I listed is anywhere close to that. Geekie’s ONLY problem is the consistency of his intensity/focus/effort level. Granted, that’s a pretty big problem.

I wonder if he’s going to be one of those guys who looks like a borderline disappointment until he’s like 23 and then suddenly becomes a force. Like a Tage Thompson or to a lesser extent somewhere between Brock Nelson and Nichushkin on that scale. A guy who’s just flashes for like 4-5 years and then he figures it out. I’m sure there are better examples.
 
rt said:
I’m not that far. I’d have Geekie in the Yurov/Lambert zone but but a good 15-20 spots ahead of Miroshnichenko/Trikozov/Perevalov. Geekie has tremendous upside. I’ve seen him take over games both offensively and physically. When he gets fired up, he’s the perfect hockey player. Huge, mean, and skilled. Beat you on the scoreboard and in the back alley. Not one of those other kids I listed is anywhere close to that. Geekie’s ONLY problem is the consistency of his intensity/focus/effort level. Granted, that’s a pretty big problem.

I wonder if he’s going to be one of those guys who looks like a borderline disappointment until he’s like 23 and then suddenly becomes a force. Like a Tage Thompson or to a lesser extent somewhere between Brock Nelson and Nichushkin on that scale. A guy who’s just flashes for like 4-5 years and then he figures it out. I’m sure there are better examples.
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Hey now, well let's break this down a little...

Yurov is a top 10-12 pick in this draft based on talent. The ONLY issue with him is that he's Russian. There's no concerns about his hockey sense, skating, character, work ethic, 200 ft game, etc. It's only an issue of the Russian factor, which I cannot imagine being an issue 3 years from now.

Lambert has concerns with his hockey sense (at least according to some scouts) and obviously big questions about his character or off-ice issues. So the risk is higher there for me. Geekie has the concerns with skating and determination, which are huge concerns for me. So I don't think it's important to differentiate the risk between these 3 players.

As far as the Tage Thompson comparison (and I watched the vast majority of BUF games this year): you're talking about a guy who has emerged as one of the top 10 pure shooters in the NHL. It's crazy, but he's "almost" approaching a Laine type shooting level. He also has a TON of character, and he moves extremely well even though he looks like a giraffe doing it. And of course, he's A LOT bigger than Geekie (4 inches taller). I know it's tough to compare Geekie at 18 to Thompson now, but Geekie has never been known to be a pure goal scorer or an elite shooter. The more realistic comparison/upside for Geekie is Jordan Staal, and that's if Geekie can improve in all areas of his game, which is a big IF. Certainly possible, and worth rolling the dice on perhaps if he's there at the end of the first/early 2nd, though I suspect a team will take a chance on him well before then. And hopefully McBain can turn into that prototypical 3rd line C for us anyway.
 
jmelm said:
Hey now, well let's break this down a little...

Yurov is a top 10-12 pick in this draft based on talent. The ONLY issue with him is that he's Russian. There's no concerns about his hockey sense, skating, character, work ethic, 200 ft game, etc. It's only an issue of the Russian factor, which I cannot imagine being an issue 3 years from now.

Lambert has concerns with his hockey sense (at least according to some scouts) and obviously big questions about his character or off-ice issues. So the risk is higher there for me. Geekie has the concerns with skating and determination, which are huge concerns for me. So I don't think it's important to differentiate the risk between these 3 players.

As far as the Tage Thompson comparison (and I watched the vast majority of BUF games this year): you're talking about a guy who has emerged as one of the top 10 pure shooters in the NHL. It's crazy, but he's "almost" approaching a Laine type shooting level. He also has a TON of character, and he moves extremely well even though he looks like a giraffe doing it. And of course, he's A LOT bigger than Geekie (4 inches taller). I know it's tough to compare Geekie at 18 to Thompson now, but Geekie has never been known to be a pure goal scorer or an elite shooter. The more realistic comparison/upside for Geekie is Jordan Staal, and that's if Geekie can improve in all areas of his game, which is a big IF. Certainly possible, and worth rolling the dice on perhaps if he's there at the end of the first/early 2nd, though I suspect a team will take a chance on him well before then. And hopefully McBain can turn into that prototypical 3rd line C for us anyway.
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Russian factor is not the only concern with Yurov. Another concern is that he’s barely played. His development track via his club has been garbage. When I’ve watched him in the MHL, he’s been hard to notice. I’ll write that off as sample size. But when I’ve watched full games instead of highlights, it takes a real effort to pick him out of the bunch. That’s a me problem.

I’ll believe the scouts who say he’s good. But between the pandemic and the No-ice-time-yo-yo, I’ve got serious concerns about his path. They’ve given him the Hayton treatment. He would regularly play under three minutes per game. Usually under six. For all 42 KHL games the last two seasons. It’s a joke.

Miroshnichenko and Yurov both looked amazing at the u18s a year ago. Since then? I’m not sold. Same could be said for Shane Wright, of course. But at least he’s had consistent playing time.

I don’t believe I’d Geekie’s skating issues at all. When he feels like it, his skating is a complete non-issue.

If you reread my post I in no way compared Geekie’s skillset with any of those NHLers. Purely timeline. That’s it.
 
rt said:
Russian factor is not the only concern with Yurov. Another concern is that he’s barely played. His development track via his club has been garbage. When I’ve watched him in the MHL, he’s been hard to notice. I’ll write that off as sample size. But when I’ve watched full games instead of highlights, it takes a real effort to pick him out of the bunch. That’s a me problem.

I’ll believe the scouts who say he’s good. But between the pandemic and the No-ice-time-yo-yo, I’ve got serious concerns about his path. They’ve given him the Hayton treatment. He would regularly play under three minutes per game. Usually under six. For all 42 KHL games the last two seasons. It’s a joke.

Miroshnichenko and Yurov both looked amazing at the u18s a year ago. Since then? I’m not sold. Same could be said for Shane Wright, of course. But at least he’s had consistent playing time.

I don’t believe I’d Geekie’s skating issues at all. When he feels like it, his skating is a complete non-issue.

If you reread my post I in no way compared Geekie’s skillset with any of those NHLers. Purely timeline. That’s it.
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Fair, but what's baked into the assumptio and analysis of Yurov is that whoever drafts him is going to be comfortable with his development opportunities going forward -- whether that means he's going to get meaningful ice time in the KHL now that he's not a rookie anymore, or some other plan that the team who drafts him would be comfortable with. Of course, if they thought next year was simply going to be a repeat of this past year, that confidence wouldn't be there. But for better or worse, the story with Yurov and his ice time is not uncommon when it comes to really young Russian prospects (and even some other Euro prospects), so I wouldn't neccessarily expect that to be indicative of an issue with ice time & opportunity going forward.
 
jmelm said:
Fair, but what's baked into the assumptio and analysis of Yurov is that whoever drafts him is going to be comfortable with his development opportunities going forward -- whether that means he's going to get meaningful ice time in the KHL now that he's not a rookie anymore, or some other plan that the team who drafts him would be comfortable with. Of course, if they thought next year was simply going to be a repeat of this past year, that confidence wouldn't be there. But for better or worse, the story with Yurov and his ice time is not uncommon when it comes to really young Russian prospects (and even some other Euro prospects), so I wouldn't neccessarily expect that to be indicative of an issue with ice time & opportunity going forward.
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What’s uncommon is how many games (50ish last two years) he played with that type of deployment (4min avg). It’s annoying. Either he’s good enough to play or he’s not. I’m pretty disgusted with Hayton’s development too. This is like that.
 
rt said:
What’s uncommon is how many games (50ish last two years) he played with that type of deployment (4min avg). It’s annoying. Either he’s good enough to play or he’s not. I’m pretty disgusted with Hayton’s development too. This is like that.
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I hear you but that's still run of the mill for young Russian forwards in a lot of cases. He's far too good to not get the ice time. I'd be really, really surprised if that doesn't change as soon as next season.

Anyway, he's not going to be there at either of our picks -- 'll be shocked if he makes it to 20. So unless we make the JC trade with LAK and he's available at their pick, it's a non issue.

I haven't looked into what his contract is, nor Trikozov who would have to be a consideration if available at the CAR pick.
 
rt said:
I’ll watch some of the games between now and the draft. But I’m inclined to drop Geekie. I was worried about the inconsistency but hoped he’d step up when the going got tough (it was just too easy for him many times in the regular season) but he did not seem to rise to the occasion. That’s worrisome. There are times when he looks like he should go 1st overall. There are times when he looks like a 4th rounder.
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Agreed. Big flags for me. Geekie is a good candidate with the Colorado pick.
 
rt said:
I still have him 9th or 10th. Need to watch some playoff games though.
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Curious what you find out when watching the games, because from stat watching him, he seemed absolutely invisible/non-contributory the last series.

I'm also really curious to see where he ends up on hockeyprospect.com's final rankings. They're probably the clear cut best independent scouting service. They were one of the outliers who had him very high (2nd, behind only Wright) in their March rankings. Their final one should come out some time after the combine (maybe within the next 2 weeks?). I'll be curious to see from a serivce that likes him, how much he falls.
 
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