2022-2023 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[STL fan in MN]

He said he forgot to charge his phone and the battery died during the night. Splitting hairs I know! Also pretty crazy that they sent team security to his place to literally get him out of bed and send him to the rink.

Interesting to hear him say he doesn't blame Army at all for trading him. In fact he said he would have done the same thing. Guess Army isn't as big of a douche as some people seem to think around here.

Yeah, I found that part interesting as well. I was a bit surprised he wasn’t mad at Army at all.

He sure seemed to hate Phil Housley though (Sabres coach at the time) and I can certainly see why he’d want to be traded if the Sabres were going to scratch him to play the young guys even if Bergy was the better player. Sucks they treated a vet like that. I wouldn’t have walked away from all of that money but I can understand why he did.

He sure didn’t like Andy Murray either! Not surprising though. None of the players seemed to like Murray. I always got the impression Murray treated the players like children and not grown adults.

His comments on Tage were hilarious! TT has turned into a heck of a player but he absolutely came off as arrogant.

 

[Brian39]

He said he forgot to charge his phone and the battery died during the night. Splitting hairs I know! Also pretty crazy that they sent team security to his place to literally get him out of bed and send him to the rink.

Interesting to hear him say he doesn't blame Army at all for trading him. In fact he said he would have done the same thing. Guess Army isn't as big of a douche as some people seem to think around here.

There is a group of us that recognize that the limit of his loyalty to a player is defined in that player's contract and that he will use every legal tool at his disposal to make the team better. I don't view that as a character flaw and every player in the league should have had multiple conversations with their agent that there are 32 NHL GMs who feel exactly that way in 99% of circumstances.

I want the GM of my team to use every tool at his disposal to improve the team, even if/when it risks damaging the relationship with a player.

With all that said, I think most the people who bring this up in regards to Army are doing it when people are criticizing other franchises for a lack of loyalty to their players. Vegas has taken a massive amount of criticism for the way they do business and I think that criticism has largely been unwarranted.

Pointing out that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones doesn't mean I hate the house.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Hmmmmmmm…..which would be more fun? A glass house with tinted windows or a glass house made of mirrors?

 

[joe galiba]

Hmmmmmmm…..which would be more fun? A glass house with tinted windows or a glass house made of mirrors?

Billy Joel Glass Houses

 

[stlbluz]

They talked about Oshie a little bit, unless you mean like when he was traded or something

Thanks - I didn't have time to listen to the whole thing. I started at the marked time where they were talking about the trade. I figured I'd hear something like 'Oshie sent me a 12 pack & a couple hookers' or something like that.

 

[stlbluz]

Hmmmmmmm…..which would be more fun? A glass house with tinted windows or a glass house made of mirrors?

Depends if you like your neighbors or not.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Depends if you like your neighbors or not.

In that case, I'll install magnifying glass!!

We can all get up close and personal.

 

[BlueDream]

 

[ChicagoBlues]

The article on STLToday on Parayko is hilarious and pathetic.

He turns 30 soon and is still trying to figure out his game. Apparently, now he needs to stop overthinking.

Uhhhh…..whaaaaa…..?

 

[Ted Hoffman]

The article on STLToday on Parayko is hilarious and pathetic.

He turns 30 soon and is still trying to figure out his game. Apparently, now he needs to stop overthinking.

Uhhhh…..whaaaaa…..?

Parayko is going to be 34, 35, 36 and people will still be adamant that he's on the verge of taking the next step. Might he still make it? Yeah, of course. And I can point to dozens and dozens of guys who supposedly had the talent to take it to the next level, and never did. At some point, you have to admit "this is who he is, he's not getting any better."

That fact is, Parayko is more of what I'd call a submissive player: his level of play depends to a large extent on who he's playing with, instead of being a dominant player where his level of play elevates whoever he's playing with. Unless someone knows where Jay Bouwmeester's twin is in the NHL right now and Armstrong can get a package put together for that guy and he can hit it off with Parayko quickly, it's going to be a long 8 years and an expensive $52 million.

 

[Frenzy31]

No one is arguing that he is going to figure it out. What they are arguing is trading him for a magic bean that could be good in 2-3 years, but could bust is not the way they want to go. It is a fair point. They want to compete sooner then you do while you want to tear it all down.

I think there is very little appetite to go through a rebuild, which is what we would be doing if we trade him.

Trading him creates a large hole we can not fill internally. If we could, more fans would be on board with it. Trading him for a young dman that could eventually fill the hole would be something more fans would agree with.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Parayko is going to be 34, 35, 36 and people will still be adamant that he's on the verge of taking the next step. Might he still make it? Yeah, of course. And I can point to dozens and dozens of guys who supposedly had the talent to take it to the next level, and never did. At some point, you have to admit "this is who he is, he's not getting any better."

That fact is, Parayko is more of what I'd call a submissive player: his level of play depends to a large extent on who he's playing with, instead of being a dominant player where his level of play elevates whoever he's playing with. Unless someone knows where Jay Bouwmeester's twin is in the NHL right now and Armstrong can get a package put together for that guy and he can hit it off with Parayko quickly, it's going to be a long 8 years and an expensive $52 million.

“This is who he is, he’s not getting any better” should have been the conclusion several years ago.

Instead, we are left with unmet expectations that were overblown to begin with and a floundering Parayko still trying to meet our expectations.

And around and around we go.

The fact that the Blues still have Colt second-guessing himself is irresponsible. DA apparently hedged on Parayko taking that next big step and he lost.

We can’t blame the Cup afterglow for the contract extension, so something else must have infected DA.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I think there is very little appetite to go through a rebuild, which is what we would be doing if we trade him.

Really? The future competitiveness of this franchise is solely dependent on Parayko's presence on the roster? I thought Doug Armstrong was a shrewd GM who's very capable of making more than one move to move out guys that don't fit and bring in others that make the team better. Is that not really the case? Cause ... that's exactly what I'm expecting to happen if Parayko gets moved.

I'm not even saying Parayko has to be moved. We can keep him here for 8 years, for all I care. We can't keep him here and have a defense where he's got a top role on the blueline as the leader on his pairing and expect it's going to go well. We really can't have him for 8 years in a prominent role where he's not playing it adequately while saying to ourselves he's gonna have that breakout moment, any time now, this could be the season for it. He needs someone better than him to push him down a pairing or someone better on his other side to do the heavy lifting so he can follow along.

Trading him creates a large hole we can not fill internally. If we could, more fans would be on board with it. Trading him for a young dman that could eventually fill the hole would be something more fans would agree with.

Cue all my comments about how we've so focused on drafting forwards that we've ignored the defense to the point that we have that organizational void, and that maybe we should consider trading one or two of our prized, really valuable young forward prospects for someone else's prized, really valuable young defense prospect. We've got Kyrou, Thomas, Snuggerud, MV63, Bolduc and Dean, and then Alexandrov, and Toropchenko, Robertsson, Peterson, and ... - we have a shitload of young forwards, and our "best" defensive prospects n the system are the defensively-poor Perunovich, the really raw, capable-but-not-spectacular Matthew Kessel, the basic-defense, no-frills, 3rd-pairing-max Tyler Tucker, and then a bunch of question marks of whom none remotely project to be top-pairing and who only a couple have 2nd-pairing upside if they can max everything out.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Parayko is going to be 34, 35, 36 and people will still be adamant that he's on the verge of taking the next step. Might he still make it? Yeah, of course. And I can point to dozens and dozens of guys who supposedly had the talent to take it to the next level, and never did. At some point, you have to admit "this is who he is, he's not getting any better."

That fact is, Parayko is more of what I'd call a submissive player: his level of play depends to a large extent on who he's playing with, instead of being a dominant player where his level of play elevates whoever he's playing with. Unless someone knows where Jay Bouwmeester's twin is in the NHL right now and Armstrong can get a package put together for that guy and he can hit it off with Parayko quickly, it's going to be a long 8 years and an expensive $52 million.

I think you misunderstand. He was not as good this year as last couple years. We want him to stop overthinking and get back to who he was year prior. I dint think anyone really expects him to become pronger or Herman at this point, just 2021-22 colt.

 

[Xerloris]

I think you misunderstand. He was not as good this year as last couple years. We want him to stop overthinking and get back to who he was year prior. I dint think anyone really expects him to become pronger or Herman at this point, just 2021-22 colt.

We need to get him pissed off before every game.

 

[joe galiba]

Colt doesn't need to have a "breakout", he is already a very good hockey player

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I think most have accepted that Parayko isn't going to take his game to the next level. He is what he is and that's a solid-to-good top 4 D-man who eats our toughest minutes. He's a bit overpaid since he hasn't taken that next step, but his contract isn't awful.

Most of the crying about Parayko comes from people who refuse to believe that a tall defenseman is worthless if he's not Chris Pronger. Same reason Bouwmeester was a scapegoat up until we won the Cup. Anytime someone talks about Parayko being a bad defenseman, I know I can immediately write them off as someone who only parrots what they hear from casual fans on social media and not someone who actually understands the game.

 

[Frenzy31]

Really? The future competitiveness of this franchise is solely dependent on Parayko's presence on the roster? I thought Doug Armstrong was a shrewd GM who's very capable of making more than one move to move out guys that don't fit and bring in others that make the team better. Is that not really the case? Cause ... that's exactly what I'm expecting to happen if Parayko gets moved.

For next year or two it is. We get rid of CP or Faulk for that matter and don't replace him that is a pretty shit d core. How can you argue otherwise? We don't have an internal replacement. So trading him for a pick is silly.

Now if you are saying we trade for a different or better RHD and then move him, I think most would be no board with that, but Again we NEED to address LHD first. So why waste the assets just to leave the large hole on the Left side. Just get the LHD.

As for DA, you have to find a dance partner who is willing to move a solid RHD. Who is available? There was a break down in another thread and there isn't much there. Bottom line, you don't trade him unless you have already made a move, otherwise you are really stuck.

But, your initial premise of trading him for the 13th overall pick never mentioned making a move prior to and that is something you are only adding now as you are being called out for it.

 

[TK 421]

We need to get him pissed off before every game.

Is that even possible? I don't think he knows how to get pissed off. He specializes in being quiet, sheepish smiles and deference.

We'd need to tailor conversion therapy sessions just for him and he'd probably just tell the guys hitting him with cattle prods that Jesus loves them or something. They'd come back and say, "I'm sorry, we can't break him. When we cut him sunshine and rainbows came out and he apologized for making a mess and we got scared and left. Nobody is that nice."

 

[shpongle falls]

I know it’s wishful thinking but maybe Tucker can come in great shape next year and form a shut down pair with Parayko. We saw it a little bit with Mikkola and Parayko and Tucker looks like he can transition better than Mikks and brings a nasty edge to his game that we need and defends well.
Thought Samorukov looked steady too maybe he can make the team and surprise us next year.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I know it’s wishful thinking but maybe Tucker can come in great shape next year and form a shut down pair with Parayko. We saw it a little bit with Mikkola and Parayko and Tucker looks like he can transition better than Mikks and brings a nasty edge to his game that we need and defends well.
Thought Samorukov looked steady too maybe he can make the team and surprise us next year.

I would expect Tucker to accumulate too many PIM to justify planning on a Tucker-Parayko pairing.

 

[ScratchCatFever]

We need to get him pissed off before every game.

Berube needs to be the 'Major Reisman' to Parayko's 'Posey'.. I hear he doesn't like to be pushed... (not sure how many will get this reference)

 

[Ted Hoffman]

For next year or two it is. We get rid of CP or Faulk for that matter and don't replace him that is a pretty shit d core. How can you argue otherwise? We don't have an internal replacement. So trading him for a pick is silly.

1. I never argued that replacing CP or Faulk and not replacing them led to a better defense, and we both know it. Quit making stuff up.
2. It's obvious we don't have an internal replacement for him. I've pointed that out for a while now - like, say, just up above.
3. Let me repeat: is Doug Armstrong, the master genius who's made trades that have swapped pieces out across a couple different trades and ended up upgrading the team in the process, now incapable of doing the same thing just because no one can imagine how it might be done? Is he now truly limited to one (1) trade, that only being moving Parayko for a draft pick, and he can't possibly make any other move at all? You keep offering this as the only possible action, when Armstrong's past actions - and certainly his actions as pitched by others - paints a vastly different picture.
4. Who's talking about merely trading him for a pick? I'm not talking about trading him at all. I am saying that you cannot count on him to be the rock upon which the defense rests, because one day, very soon, he's going to get it to all come together because he's still got potential, he's really close to tapping it, going to be any day now is a terrible way to make roster assumptions when the guy's 29 and for the last 3 years has shown you what he's capable and not capable of.

Now if you are saying we trade for a different or better RHD and then move him, I think most would be no board with that, but Again we NEED to address LHD first. So why waste the assets just to leave the large hole on the Left side. Just get the LHD.

1. See above.
2. Again, if you want to get a LHD, go for it. By admitting "we need to address LHD first" you admit we need someone better - which, as I've noted countless times, means it has to be someone who's going to elevate Parayko's game, instead of the other way around.

As for DA, you have to find a dance partner who is willing to move a solid RHD. Who is available? There was a break down in another thread and there isn't much there. Bottom line, you don't trade him unless you have already made a move, otherwise you are really stuck.

1. This sounds like a DA problem. I hear we're supposed to trust in him, because ... the past.
2. As I have noted countless times now, I'm not saying Parayko has to be traded. Which, I would think has been made clear by this point, but apparently needs to be repeated for the 55th time.

But, your initial premise of trading him for the 13th overall pick never mentioned making a move prior to and that is something you are only adding now as you are being called out for it.

Please point to any post where I suggested trading Parayko for the 13th overall pick. Or, for that matter, any 1st round pick. [Or really, any other trade idea where I offered a semi-definitive proposal - but let's just focus on this notion that you think I suggested we should trade Parayko for #13.] When that fails - and trust me, it is going to fail - make sure to come back and note that you were wrong about that and that everything else that follows is also a misattribution of claims.

 

[Bluesfan54]

Maybe a competent defensive coach can fix what ails him.

 

[Frenzy31]

1. I never argued that replacing CP or Faulk and not replacing them led to a better defense, and we both know it. Quit making stuff up.
2. It's obvious we don't have an internal replacement for him. I've pointed that out for a while now - like, say, just up above.
3. Let me repeat: is Doug Armstrong, the master genius who's made trades that have swapped pieces out across a couple different trades and ended up upgrading the team in the process, now incapable of doing the same thing just because no one can imagine how it might be done? Is he now truly limited to one (1) trade, that only being moving Parayko for a draft pick, and he can't possibly make any other move at all? You keep offering this as the only possible action, when Armstrong's past actions - and certainly his actions as pitched by others - paints a vastly different picture.
4. Who's talking about merely trading him for a pick? I'm not talking about trading him at all. I am saying that you cannot count on him to be the rock upon which the defense rests, because one day, very soon, he's going to get it to all come together because he's still got potential, he's really close to tapping it, going to be any day now is a terrible way to make roster assumptions when the guy's 29 and for the last 3 years has shown you what he's capable and not capable of.


1. See above.
2. Again, if you want to get a LHD, go for it. By admitting "we need to address LHD first" you admit we need someone better - which, as I've noted countless times, means it has to be someone who's going to elevate Parayko's game, instead of the other way around.


1. This sounds like a DA problem. I hear we're supposed to trust in him, because ... the past.
2. As I have noted countless times now, I'm not saying Parayko has to be traded. Which, I would think has been made clear by this point, but apparently needs to be repeated for the 55th time.


Please point to any post where I suggested trading Parayko for the 13th overall pick. Or, for that matter, any 1st round pick. [Or really, any other trade idea where I offered a semi-definitive proposal - but let's just focus on this notion that you think I suggested we should trade Parayko for #13.] When that fails - and trust me, it is going to fail - make sure to come back and note that you were wrong about that and that everything else that follows is also a misattribution of claims.

I apologize to you. You are correct, it was DJ that stated to trade him for the pick not you.