2022-2023 Around The League

[bromando]

Yeah it's the business of sports both ways. GM's rarely show their plans to players unless they're forced to by an NMC or NTC. Players owe nothing to teams to update them on plans. If a player wants to maintain legacy in a city, then sure, they should do as gracious an exit as possible. But really, they should keep their best interests in mind. Earn your money while you can, maintain as much stability and control in your destinations, and if you want, make some sacrifices along the way so you can win (i.e. the first Mackinnon contract).

Stastny left us in a lurch and even if I get why some Avs fans are done completely with the dude, I also respect his decision to go where he wanted, make money, and do his thing. Hockey careers are short and unpredictable, look out for #1 throughout them.

 

[redacted]

I don't feel bad for any GM that gets burned by sitting on a pending free agent. I want MOAR trades!!!

<- Takes a look at CapFriendly

 

[Chiarelli]

In today’s NHL if you don’t have a guy like Johnny signed the summer before he hits UFA (same with macK this summer) it’s the GM’s fault if the guy bolts the next summer and they get nothing for him.

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

I don't think its black or white like that... Systematically doing that is a good way to get stuck with bad contracts. Often players are coming out of bad years leading into their final year and you want to see how they will perform in that final year before deciding if you want to committ to them.

Very few would have been happy if Sakic had signed Kadri to a multi years extension last year. Now we're almost regretting he didn't do it. But the same can happen the other way around. It's a high risk - high reward situation in some situations. But in others like Mac, its a no brainer. So I don't think there is one ultimate way of always doing this.

Just like its not as easy as saying a 1C is more important than a 1D or a top goalie. It depends on a whole lot of other factors surrounding the situation.

Just wanted to cause a bit of chaos here

 

[UnkleKraker]

Let me see if I have this right, Calgary potentially gets effed this offseason and we don't like it? I think it is awesome!

 

[Pokecheque]

Let me see if I have this right, Calgary potentially gets effed this offseason and we don't like it? I think it is awesome!

Yeah my thoughts exactly.

Also, anyone feeling sorry for the Flames has to get off this notion that they did no wrong. Yes, they offered gobs of money to Gaudreau at the last minute when it was apparent he was leaving, but that doesn't erase the fact that they did plenty to damage the relationship prior to this season. Treliving is not, and has never been a good GM. He's not horrible, but he isn't good either.

I wonder if Hubie will stay. I remember recently the Panthers posted a video of him showing off his sports car collection, it struck me that the guy really loved living in south Florida. Can't imagine living in western Alberta is appealing to him at all.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

So I haven't really been following the Hockey Canada/2018 World Junior stuff all that closely. I'd honestly just assumed HC/Whatever players involved were 100% in the wrong, and they were all trash, scumbag idiots.

But I just read the main boards and the update recently about apparently the players having a video of the girl involved consenting to the acts both before and after it all happened and even stating in the video at one point that she was sober?

That... Kind of changes thing? I mean dont get me wrong the players involved are still idiots for getting involved in such activities and then Hockey Canada covering it(And many other sexual allegations) up are scumbags as well. But if someone has video of her consenting to the sexual activities both before and after? I guess then you also have to ask if she was truly consenting in those videos or just scared and threatened by the situation.

Honestly just sounds like a complete mess of a situation and a really ugly thing for her to have to be going through in the public eye.

 

[PAZ]

So I haven't really been following the Hockey Canada/2018 World Junior stuff all that closely. I'd honestly just assumed HC/Whatever players involved were 100% in the wrong, and they were all trash, scumbag idiots.

But I just read the main boards and the update recently about apparently the players having a video of the girl involved consenting to the acts both before and after it all happened and even stating in the video at one point that she was sober?

That... Kind of changes thing? I mean dont get me wrong the players involved are still idiots for getting involved in such activities and then Hockey Canada covering it(And many other sexual allegations) up are scumbags as well. But if someone has video of her consenting to the sexual activities both before and after? I guess then you also have to ask if she was truly consenting in those videos or just scared and threatened by the situation.

Honestly just sounds like a complete mess of a situation and a really ugly thing for her to have to be going through in the public eye.

The video isn’t considered actual evidence since there were more than 1 male in the room, which I think is a pretty fair.

From my understanding all the texts leading up to the incident was consensual with the specific player and she was under the impression it was only going to be her and the player, there wasn’t any mention of anyone else being involved.

 

[CharlesPuck]

If you have to take a video to "prove" consent.... maybe thats a good sign to not do something.....

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The video isn’t considered actual evidence since there were more than 1 male in the room, which I think is a pretty fair.

I didn't see anything about that? I did see that it's not considered to be evidence of consent since neither video was taken during the actual time of the sexual acts, and was just taken at two arbitrary points in time not related to the actual acts.

I also think here lawyer made a pretty good point ultimately, why would the player feel the need to take a video of her consent after the sexual acts had concluded unless doubt persisted about her consent to the situation.

Ugly situation for her for sure, she was probably content for this to all go away and clearly didn't want this to get into the public eye and still doesn't want her name involved... But at the same time you've got to try and find a way to hold the players accountable without revealing too much about the victim if that's what the victim wants.

 

[Pokecheque]

From what I read the players involved got the young woman in question extremely drunk, so it doesn't matter what she may or may not have said in that video, if she was in such a compromised state then she was not in a position to give informed consent.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

From what I read the players involved got the young woman in question extremely drunk, so it doesn't matter what she may or may not have said in that video, if she was in such a compromised state then she was not in a position to give informed consent.

Well, according to the video that came out today, she was sober during the incident.

Ultimately its just turning into a complete mess of a situation of he said/she said where both sides haven't been 100% honest and the truth is getting cloudier by the minute.


With that being said, its still a complete scumbag move on the players and pretty sick in general to put the girl in the situation to begin with and they deserve whatever winds up coming to them. And Hockey Canada deserves to be dragged through the public eye not just for covering up this incident but apparently covering up many other incidents as well. That is just appalling behavior quite frankly. And its embarrassing for the thousands of minor hockey/hockey Canada volunteers across the country that are genuinely good people.

 

[Gruyeriev]

I used to think hockey players and hockey culture were better than other sports. Turns out it’s not. Hopefully Hockey Canada cleans house and actually try to change the culture rather than sweep it under the rug.

 

[Balthazar]

Jeff Skinner has never played a single playoff game in the NHL. In 12 seasons.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I used to think hockey players and hockey culture were better than other sports. Turns out it’s not. Hopefully Hockey Canada cleans house and actually try to change the culture rather than sweep it under the rug.

Unless we as a country force major changes to the people running Hockey Canada, they'll almost certainly sweep it under the rug. Just like they've done everything else over the decades unfortunately.


It isn't just hockey Canada either. They're the ones under the microscope right now but USA Hockey has had some things come up as well and no doubt if you dug deep you'd find more of the same elsewhere. If anything I think there's probably an argument to be made that Hockey Culture is worse then a lot of sports. When you look at the backgrounds of most kids that play hockey at the higher levels, it certainly makes sense.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I used to think hockey players and hockey culture were better than other sports. Turns out it’s not. Hopefully Hockey Canada cleans house and actually try to change the culture rather than sweep it under the rug.

Its certainly better than Basketball and Footballs rep. Alot of the shenanigans are sexually related, domestic abuse related or drugs. Basketball and Football you get all that with a sprinkle of guns and murders.

 

[The Moops]

If you have to take a video to "prove" consent.... maybe thats a good sign to not do something.....

 

[redacted]

Its certainly better than Basketball and Footballs rep. Alot of the shenanigans are sexually related, domestic abuse related or drugs. Basketball and Football you get all that with a sprinkle of guns and murders.

Mike Danton and Ian White disagree

 

[Gruyeriev]

Its certainly better than Basketball and Footballs rep. Alot of the shenanigans are sexually related, domestic abuse related or drugs. Basketball and Football you get all that with a sprinkle of guns and murders.

True. Some NBA and NFL guys should probably just be in jail instead of making millions.

Unless we as a country force major changes to the people running Hockey Canada, they'll almost certainly sweep it under the rug. Just like they've done everything else over the decades unfortunately.


It isn't just hockey Canada either. They're the ones under the microscope right now but USA Hockey has had some things come up as well and no doubt if you dug deep you'd find more of the same elsewhere. If anything I think there's probably an argument to be made that Hockey Culture is worse then a lot of sports. When you look at the backgrounds of most kids that play hockey at the higher levels, it certainly makes sense.

Yeah. I didn’t mean it was Canada specific.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Mike Danton and Ian White disagree

Danton was a hire to kill. He didnt kill that creep agent.

Wat did Ian White do lol I totally forgot about that guy

 

[Gruyeriev]

Jeff Skinner has never played a single playoff game in the NHL. In 12 seasons.

I forgot he existed for some reason

 

[redacted]

Danton was a hire to kill. He didnt kill that creep agent.

Wat did Ian White do lol I totally forgot about that guy

Low grade weapons charges…

Was in jest… but all these things exist in all sports. Hockey has a knack for vehicular homicide usually with a DUI mixed in.

 

[Gruyeriev]

Assuming we roll with our team as is(without a real 2C), who in the West is a threat to us this year?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Assuming we roll with our team as is(without a real 2C), who in the West is a threat to us this year?

Edmonton and LA imo.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Assuming we roll with our team as is(without a real 2C), who in the West is a threat to us this year?

No one