Kuemper is an average to below average starter. By starter standards, he kinda sucks. George isn't an upgrade, but I don't think he is much worse.
Campbell is lightyears better than Smith.
Campbell is lightyears better than Smith.
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We scored 22 goals against the Oilers in 4 games and Mike Smith was just about the only thing keeping them in half of those games. Why do Oilers fans think the series was close or they had a chance. It's like I live in a parallel universe. It's like the Dallas series in the bubble where we got completely outworked and it's like I'm the only person who wasn't blaming injuries.
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Completely outworked by Dallas? Nah it was their PP and our bad PK that did it. Goalie injuries were crucial too.
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Campbell will stop what he sees from non-dangerous areas. He's very good at that.
What he isn't good at (at all) is stopping high danger chances. Over the last 3 years out of 75 goalies with minimum 1500 minutes played he ranks 69th in HDSV%. The only goalies worse are Samsonov, Subban, Hutton, Holtby, Stalock, and Dubnyk. For comparison's sake Darcy Kuemper is ranked 5th in that same category.
If you get to the high danger areas on Campbell, chances are he's not stopping the puck.
What he isn't good at (at all) is stopping high danger chances. Over the last 3 years out of 75 goalies with minimum 1500 minutes played he ranks 69th in HDSV%. The only goalies worse are Samsonov, Subban, Hutton, Holtby, Stalock, and Dubnyk. For comparison's sake Darcy Kuemper is ranked 5th in that same category.
If you get to the high danger areas on Campbell, chances are he's not stopping the puck.
You must not have watched Campbell against the Lightning and after November going forward. The Mike Smith scapegoating is hilarious to no end.
And we all know Oilers are fantastic at stopping those.
BaconNater
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So much Senators praise this off-season which of course is well deserved... If I know one thing about hockey is expected the opposite of what HF thinks.. Sens end up dead in water and finish 26th in league this year
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Yeah. Game 4 was the measuring stick. The Oilers had that game by the throat but then the Avs woke up and said "this ends now" and erased the two goal deficit like it was fait accompli.
If this team can’t beat Edmonton next year they aren’t beating whoever comes out East.
With or without Kane the Oilers are still a highly flawed team. They had a little Cinderella run and I doubt they make it to the WCF next year.
With or without Kane the Oilers are still a highly flawed team. They had a little Cinderella run and I doubt they make it to the WCF next year.
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Something you didn’t think about shot totals and how the avs tilt the ice. We can usually get by with mediocre tending
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Kulak was on the oilers while Keith was. They lost a top 4 d regardless of what your opinion of Keith is at this stage in his career.
You say a full year of Kane like it’s a good thing look at his history he wears out his welcome quickly and now has zero motivation.
Campbell is the only upgrade and he was the best goalie on the market. We’ll see how he looks in Edmonton tho.
dahrougem2
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Kulak was there post-deadline. At this stage in their careers Kulak >>> Keith. So they didn't really lose a top-4 D because Keith wasn't that caliber of defensemen.
Yes, a full year of Kane is a good thing for them. Unless you believe he got his money and he's going to destroy that locker room. Which could happen. But the opposite can also happen where Kane lights it up playing next to 97.
The Oilers unquestionably improved their roster both with the additions made and the subtraction of Keith, Kassian, Archibald, Smith, and Koskinen.
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Are people here really afraid of an Oilers team that runs Barrie, Ceci and Koekkoek on the blueline?
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The problem as I see it is all of the non-playoff teams improved while all of the playoff teams were still good or improved.
All of Ottawa, Detroit, Columbus and New Jersey can't make the playoffs. But we are likely going to see a surprise or two next year as a result, not enough points to go around for everyone in the east.
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Blues fans/writers really went from "9 20 goal scorers will beat the Avs".. to "With Binnington healthy the Blues would have beaten the Avs"..
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I think the Blues could be sneaky bad next year.
Perron is clearly a POS, but he was their version of San Jose's Pavelski. Without him, they're a different team. Why they wouldn't give Perron $4.7x2, but would give Nick Leddy $4x4 is something that defies logic.
Binnington looked great in about 4-5 playoff games, but his larger body of work has been terrible for the last couple seasons. He's barely above water (36-28-12) the last two seasons. A completely cooked Thomas Greiss behind him won't provide any relief; St. Louis should've held onto Lindgren.
The Blues were a weird team this year too in that they were pinned in their own zone a lot, but were opportunistic offensively. We'll see if Barbashev, Kyrou, and Thomas can repeat their breakout seasons. The West looks bad so it's hard to picture St. Louis outside of the playoffs, but it still wouldn't shock me if Doug Armstrong is selling off Ryan O'Money Bags (along with Tarasenko) at the deadline because the Blues are struggling to stay above .500.
Perron is clearly a POS, but he was their version of San Jose's Pavelski. Without him, they're a different team. Why they wouldn't give Perron $4.7x2, but would give Nick Leddy $4x4 is something that defies logic.
Binnington looked great in about 4-5 playoff games, but his larger body of work has been terrible for the last couple seasons. He's barely above water (36-28-12) the last two seasons. A completely cooked Thomas Greiss behind him won't provide any relief; St. Louis should've held onto Lindgren.
The Blues were a weird team this year too in that they were pinned in their own zone a lot, but were opportunistic offensively. We'll see if Barbashev, Kyrou, and Thomas can repeat their breakout seasons. The West looks bad so it's hard to picture St. Louis outside of the playoffs, but it still wouldn't shock me if Doug Armstrong is selling off Ryan O'Money Bags (along with Tarasenko) at the deadline because the Blues are struggling to stay above .500.
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Highly doubt it's even possible that the Blues can be bad in the West unless they are crushed by injuries. Blues are easily better than most teams in this weak conference.
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The Oilers are a real threat.
Their defence is flawed, but with McDavid and Draisaitl they can win the same way the Penguins did the year they were without Letang. Campbell should give them reliable goaltending too.
Their forward group is one of the best in the league. Better than the Avs.
They also have more young guys on the rise (Holloway, Broberg, Bourgault) than Colorado. They’re legit. I think they’ll be facing off again in the West Final next season.
I actually think the Oilers are going to be tougher than most of the top teams in the East.
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The only way that happens is if their defence becomes middle of the pack at minimum. It doesn't matter how good your forward group is if you can't transition the puck. We have seen this with older versions of the Avs. The Defense would have to be exceptional if they want to beat the Avs. Losing Keith was actually good for them but I still can't look at that group and say they will even be mediocre, unless alot of things go right. Campbell has had 1 good season so while it is an upgrade, we can't tell how significant it is yet. Leafs were pretty solid in front of him and I can't say the same about the Oilers. They are only going to be as good as their defense allows them to be.
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