Toggle sidebar

2022-2023 Around The League

Status
Not open for further replies.
Balthazar said:
You made me look at Beaucage's stats in the AHL. Not great, to say the least. I'm assuming he's playing bottom 6 with no PP time with the Eagles.
Click to expand...
He's played better than stats would indicate and he's gotten plenty of time up in the lineup and on the PP (he was on Wagner's Wednesday and Wags scored 2 goals (one assisted by Beaucage). He's just not a real good player... might end up a decent AHL guy and that's about all.

There is a gulf between him and Robertson. Robertson looks painful and while he's not at all a burner, he can get around the ice fine enough. I was high on him in his draft year because you could clearly see that in his first 15-20 seconds of a shift, his skating didn't hold him back... and in that time he was incredibly impactful. The easy translation was that if he could be effective for 30-35-40 seconds, his talent would come out and be a high impact guy. Which exactly what has happened... he can skate for a whole shift and be a 16-18 minute guy with regularity. I thought he's likely peak as more of a 30-35g guy rather... not a 40, maybe 50g guy. Part of that is just scoring in general, part is that I underrated his actual talent level a bit.

Beaucage... his skating just flat out sucks. It is worse than Robertson's ever was... and he doesn't have nearly the overall talent. His shot is in the same realm, but that is really about it.
 
dmac7719 said:
Playing as many games as he had would definitely be one of the reasons, but I think people are really underestimating the loss of McDonagh as part of this statistical regression.
Click to expand...
His role has certainly shifted 5v5 and that is a part of it. He's played a lot with Cernak and matching up against top lines a lot more than he was in the past. Point wise though, the big drop is from the PP. He'd have 7-8 more points if he has Serg's role there. Which wouldn't having him pacing what he did later year, but right at or above most of the rest of his career.
 
Landeskog Calrissian said:
It doesn't seem very workable to make generalizations if all the specifics must also be the same.
Click to expand...
I have many long form posts on this exact subject and even directly on how it relates to Robertson over the years... no idea if HF kept all the ones from the 2017ish timeframe, but I'm sure plenty exist around the last couple years. Bobby Brink is another name I've pounded this table on. No need for me to go full novel each time I make a comment. This doesn't need to be my flow of consciousness all the time, nobody wants that.
 
Random and not sure where to find this data, but I'd bet everyone that Andre Burakovsky has the best winning percentage of any active player in the league with over 200 games played.
 
The question that needs to be asked about the Flames now is, do they have any true gamebreakers? Huberdeau is a magnificent scoring talent, but he's not on the same tier as Tkachuk (and obviously both teams agreed since Weegar was also part of the deal) and I just don't see anyone else on that roster who's truly capable of taking over games. It doesn't help their expensive franchise goalie is imploding before our eyes, but I also think that in becoming a more balanced squad, the Flames lowered their ceiling.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Alienblood
95snipes said:
Random and not sure where to find this data, but I'd bet everyone that Andre Burakovsky has the best winning percentage of any active player in the league with over 200 games played.
Click to expand...
I could see it. Right place at the right time more than anything as Washington > Colorado > Seattle have all been dominant regular season teams during his respective tenure.
 
Pokecheque said:
The question that needs to be asked about the Flames now is, do they have any true gamebreakers? Huberdeau is a magnificent scoring talent, but he's not on the same tier as Tkachuk (and obviously both teams agreed since Weegar was also part of the deal) and I just don't see anyone else on that roster who's truly capable of taking over games. It doesn't help their expensive franchise goalie is imploding before our eyes, but I also think that in becoming a more balanced squad, the Flames lowered their ceiling.
Click to expand...
To be fair, Weegar is indeed a game-breaker, just not the positive kind. Other than and in spite of his recent cold ass mars streak, Kadri would still like to say hello. There is a reason we wanted to sign him short term. He can still play. I'm not sure what's going on in Calgary, but I can't imagine that Sutter is preaching offensive creativity first.

But let's not pretend this was any sort of plan other than an Emergency one, caused by having Johnny Hockey telling them he's walking and Tkachuk telling them he had no intentions of sticking around either.

I mean, the other option would have been to move Tkachuk for a loaded, quality futures package, signed fringe NHL replacements, sell like crazy at the deadline and embrace the tank. A decision, that probably would've cost Trevliving his job, but would have been glorious to witness.
 
expatriatedtexan said:
To be fair, Weegar is indeed a game-breaker, just not the positive kind. Other than and in spite of his recent cold ass mars streak, Kadri would still like to say hello. There is a reason we wanted to sign him short term. He can still play. I'm not sure what's going on in Calgary, but I can't imagine that Sutter is preaching offensive creativity first.

But let's not pretend this was any sort of plan other than an Emergency one, caused by having Johnny Hockey telling them he's walking and Tkachuk telling them he had no intentions of sticking around either.

I mean, the other option would have been to move Tkachuk for a loaded, quality futures package, signed fringe NHL replacements, sell like crazy at the deadline and embrace the tank. A decision, that probably would've cost Trevliving his job, but would have been glorious to witness.
Click to expand...
I would rather the Flames have a low ceiling but be just scrappy enough to upset the VGK or Oilers.
 
Pokecheque said:
My feelings exactly.

Now if Keefe would just get over whatever it is he has against Nick Robertson, there might be two Asian-American stars in the NHL (assuming his body holds up).
Click to expand...
Like to get Nick here. Great shot he has as well
 
You mean the great and mighty Winnismug got beat 4-1 by the Blue Jackets of all teams?
USnfWeCOHTHB3WX0aY.gif
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Colorado Avalanche
MacKaRant said:
Since it's the NHL, I'm guessing no marketing push on Robertson. For one, doesn't do enough lacrosse goals. For two, in their vision, hockey is a team sport full of cliches like grit, togetherness, etc.

Rather than overseas, I think the more important market is getting more Asian American viewers. Looking at statistics, there are a ton of Asian Americans that follow the NBA, but not so many that follow hockey.
Click to expand...
Asians and Asian Americans love basketball so much. When I lived in San Francisco and played pickup ball any time and anywhere I could, there was one open gym night at Lincoln High where I was almost always the only non Asian guy, and the group of guys I knew even did fantasy NBA leagues and fantasy NBA was not a hot thing back then. I know a lot of Asians and I honestly can't think of one who follows hockey past rooting for the home team. Robertson should be part of a marketing strategy, but not just for Asians.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom