2022-2023 Around The League

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lot of posters on here gonna be eating crow when the devils go out in 5 or 6 games round 1 later this year
It wouldn't shock me at all to see that, but it won't be because of any of the skaters.... It'll be goaltending. That is an incredibly well built hockey team with an extreme weakness in net. I think Schmid can solve it longer term, but I'm not a big believer in Vanecek/Blackwood in net as a playoff duo.
 
This is getting out of hand. Devils have had a solid start but that take is scorching hot
Maybe it’s a little generous. But Siegenthaler is as far as defensive dmen go one of the best in the entire league. He’s not going to impact the
game much offensively but that’s why he and Hamilton are such a perfect pairing. They compliment each other perfectly.
 
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Lehto is is based in Finland and directs all European scouting.


It is a little rich... but advanced metrics are on the side of it. Basically Slavin and Siegenthaler dominate defensive microstats.
Interesting. Where are the Liiga picks Lehto! Actually there is one past Rantanen, I forgot about Annunen.

I looked up an article about Lehto. Some interesting tidbits: When he started he was the only Avs scout in Europe, covering the whole continent. Now he has some helpers at least. One in Czechia/Slovakia and one in Russia are the full timers. We've had some recent picks from both places. As for Rantanen, he knew him well because his brother was Rantanen's agent.
 
lot of posters on here gonna be eating crow when the devils go out in 5 or 6 games round 1 later this year
I’m not expecting them to go on a deep run yet. But they remind me a lot of the 18-19 Avs. They could easily win a round. Maybe they aren’t there yet. We’ll see.
 
Another thing I want to address is the Draisaitl is the undisputed #2 player in the world ideology. Let me preface this by saying he is an absolute beast I love the player and think he is a top 5 talent easily if not better.

What I raise issue is undisputed second best in the world. What I see is McDavid serving up saucy dish after saucy dish to Drai who converts at a very nice clip but benefits no doubt. You can’t tell me you put Pasta, Kuch, or even our boy Rants in his shoes and they don’t put up similar numbers. That doesn’t even get into what Mathews or MacK could do with the open space Connor would create for them. Of course there is also Cale who deserves to be in this conversation as well.


Flavour of the week show me he can do it for 3+ years before I give that title away. Seider, Slavin, Pietro, there’s others all have a better track record at this time.
Are people really saying that? I have literally never heard or read ANYONE making such a claim. He's a legit #1 center and would be a lot of places, so I suppose the argument could be made that he's the best #2 center in the league, but not the second best player period.
 
lot of posters on here gonna be eating crow when the devils go out in 5 or 6 games round 1 later this year

Why? What's wrong with acknowledging they're a really good team? They're not suddenly bad if they don't have a great showing in the playoffs.

You appear to be busy making a few of these today.

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Maybe it’s a little generous. But Siegenthaler is as far as defensive dmen go one of the best in the entire league. He’s not going to impact the
game much offensively but that’s why he and Hamilton are such a perfect pairing. They compliment each other perfectly.
I just like a bit longer resume. Parayko, the island boiz, pietro, slavin, toews, Hedman, mcavoy, heiskanen, doughty, even seider just off the top of my head. I’m not hyper focused on the analytical stats so I’ll probably get ripped apart for this but like I said I like a longer resume before crowning the flavour of the week.

Are people really saying that? I have literally never heard or read ANYONE making such a claim. He's a legit #1 center and would be a lot of places, so I suppose the argument could be made that he's the best #2 center in the league, but not the second best player period.
Oh I’ve definitely seen it quite a bit around these parts maybe not from our fans

Why? What's wrong with acknowledging they're a really good team? They're not suddenly bad if they don't have a great showing in the playoffs.

You appear to be busy making a few of these today.

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We’re the defending champs and everyone drools over New Jersey come on mannnnn. Act like you been there before cuz our boys have. That’s all
 
Florida is not a good team.
Neither are the oilers.
Not sure I agree. The Panthers this season are:

3rd in Corsi
4th in Scoring Chances %
3rd in xGF
8th in High Danger Chances %

What doesn't help them is Bobrovsky having a -3.63 GSAA - sandwiched between Anthony Stolarz and Jonathan Quick - and important players having injuries like Aaron Ekblad.

The Panthers' defensive corps isn't one I think can lead them to the Stanley Cup, but I think they're a lot better than their record indicates right now.
 
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I just like a bit longer resume. Parayko, the island boiz, pietro, slavin, toews, Hedman, mcavoy, heiskanen, doughty, even seider just off the top of my head. I’m not hyper focused on the analytical stats so I’ll probably get ripped apart for this but like I said I like a longer resume before crowning the flavour of the week.


Oh I’ve definitely seen it quite a bit around these parts maybe not from our fans
I mean i think those guys are all better dmen than Siegenthaler all round. But when it comes to purely the defensive part of the game few guys are better than he is. I’d take most of those guys to be my 1D over Siegenthaler but for adding a pure shutdown guy he’s a better option than a few names on there.
 
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We’re the defending champs and everyone drools over New Jersey come on mannnnn. Act like you been there before cuz our boys have. That’s all

Well to be honest the Devils remind me and probably a few others of what the Avs looked like the last two seasons. Absolutely dominant puck possession, the best transition game in the league, and depth all over the place. And to boot, they also have an iffy situation in goal. Hell, they also got a phenomenal all-around defender for peanuts just like the Avs did. The comparisons kinda run deep.

Will they get torn apart in the playoffs? I don't know, sometimes teams need to have a couple bumpy rides in the postseason before they figure it out, but they're still a team that IMO has done the rebuild the right way. Two first overall picks certainly help but they've also drafted well outside of that. Their one giant miss, Zacha, was dealt away to Boston and they're better off for it.

Well...okay, Ty Smith ended up going bust as well, but they've more than made up for that by flipping him for Marino.

I've said before that Graves, much as I'm a fan of his, has had some horrid showings in the postseason. We'll see if that trend continues. Dougie has had some WTF moments as well. If the goaltending is merely adequate, they might get in trouble, we'll see.
 
Last one from me I swear:

“A Stanley cups a Stanley cup - but the New Jersey devils could be anything. They could even be a Stanley cup! You know how much we always wanted one of those!”
 
We’re the defending champs and everyone drools over New Jersey come on mannnnn. Act like you been there before cuz our boys have. That’s all
I’m not sure what that has to do with it. I am hoping the Avs do everything they can to repeat and they’re my team. But I’m also someone who enjoys the sport as a whole and will watch other teams. I recognize the Devils are a damn good team. Doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the cup, it just means I recognize a team that’s really really good.
 
Avs definitely don't scout in Finland. It's a bit annoying for me because I'd love to follow an Avs prospect and share how they are doing overseas.
Are you going to pretend the Finnish league is better at developing players than Loveland? :sarcasm:
 
I wanna see how the Devils star players perform in the playoffs first. Is Hughes going to be more Marner/Johnny Hockey or Patrick Kane come playoff time? Hischier has played 5 playoff games and projects well in theory for playoff hockey due to his two way game but so did Matthews/Barkov.

Devils have all the pieces to make some serious noise the next few seasons but there’s no doubt certain players perform differently in the playoffs.
 
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Not sure I agree. The Panthers this season are:

3rd in Corsi
4th in Scoring Chances %
3rd in xGF
8th in High Danger Chances %

What doesn't help them is Bobrovsky having a -3.63 GSAA - sandwiched between Anthony Stolarz and Jonathan Quick - and important players having injuries like Aaron Ekblad.

The Panthers' defensive corps isn't one I think can lead them to the Stanley Cup, but I think they're a lot better than their record indicates right now.

The sooner they move on from Bob the better. That is incredibly difficult to do with his contract, but even if they use him as a 10m backup, they'll be better off.

The difference this year between Knight and Bob is basically one less goal given up by Knight per game. Which takes them from being a roughly .500 team to a .625 team. Not absolute world beaters, but the difference between a solid playoff team and being out.
Well to be honest the Devils remind me and probably a few others of what the Avs looked like the last two seasons. Absolutely dominant puck possession, the best transition game in the league, and depth all over the place. And to boot, they also have an iffy situation in goal. Hell, they also got a phenomenal all-around defender for peanuts just like the Avs did. The comparisons kinda run deep.

Will they get torn apart in the playoffs? I don't know, sometimes teams need to have a couple bumpy rides in the postseason before they figure it out, but they're still a team that IMO has done the rebuild the right way. Two first overall picks certainly help but they've also drafted well outside of that. Their one giant miss, Zacha, was dealt away to Boston and they're better off for it.

Well...okay, Ty Smith ended up going bust as well, but they've more than made up for that by flipping him for Marino.

I've said before that Graves, much as I'm a fan of his, has had some horrid showings in the postseason. We'll see if that trend continues. Dougie has had some WTF moments as well. If the goaltending is merely adequate, they might get in trouble, we'll see.

I stand by the idea that each team is different when it comes to their first playoff runs. For every Avs that has to take lumps... you have the Chicagos that get ultra close in their first run.

I think the ultimate decider will be in net. If Vanecek can stay away from giving up soft goals and give them average goaltending... they'll win a round or two. If he plays like he is not (which isn't elite, but good)... they have as good of shot as anyone in the East.

The East is kinda crazy... so many great teams up and down. Each have something that could trip them up. Toronto has issues in net and a major mental block in the playoffs. Tampa has depth issues. New Jersey is inexperienced and questions in net. Isles have a lack of a gamebreaker, but play very playoff style hockey and are great in net. Rags are too reliant on special teams in net play. Boston and Carolina are probably the most well rounded teams. No matter though, the east is a meatgrinder. Any team that makes it through there is going to be battle tested and maybe beat to a pulp (which bodes well for the West).
 
Guy should not be allowed to play any form of sports ever again. What is wrong with that guy? That should be assault with a deadly weapon and some significant jail time

Should get attempted f***ing murder, man. That last kick looks like he's trying to slit his throat. Absolute psychopath



The the dad of the kid who was attacked doesn't even think that this kid should receive punishment that will severely impact the rest of his life.
 
The hurricanes would be wise to go out and get the best pure skill player available at the deadline regardless of cost. So many questions for all the other teams in the East.
 
The the dad of the kid who was attacked doesn't even think that this kid should receive punishment that will severely impact the rest of his life.

Whatever it is, it should be severe. That wasn't a toddler, that kid knew better and did it anyway.

I remember when I played a brawl broke out in the corner during a game and this big and insanely dumb kid (pretty sure his name was George because the coach kept yelling it all game) ran right up and took a golf swing at one of my teammates when he was down on the ice. Pretty sure they threw the book at that kid afterwards, even his own coach was disgusted with him.

We don't need to throw the kid in solitary confinement, but the hammer needs to come down. There can be NO tolerance whatsoever for this kind of behavior.
 
Whatever it is, it should be severe. That wasn't a toddler, that kid knew better and did it anyway.

I remember when I played a brawl broke out in the corner during a game and this big and insanely dumb kid (pretty sure his name was George because the coach kept yelling it all game) ran right up and took a golf swing at one of my teammates when he was down on the ice. Pretty sure they threw the book at that kid afterwards, even his own coach was disgusted with him.

We don't need to throw the kid in solitary confinement, but the hammer needs to come down. There can be NO tolerance whatsoever for this kind of behavior.

The clip cuts out but it looks like the attacking kids teammates don't come to his aid when he's justifiably getting jumped.

Everyone knew what was happening was far beyond wrong and far beyond justifiable hockey play.
 
Teams don't keep Hamilton because he wants to get paid and doesn't gel with teammates.

Moving around shouldn't preclude him from being a #1D though. If that is the measuring stick, Pronger played on 5 teams. Coffey played on 9 IIRC.
Yeah but I'd still wouldn't call Hanilton a legit #1 D. More of a very good #2
 
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