2022-2023 Around The League

[TruePowerSlave]

Oh shut the absolute f*** up. This goes beyond hyperbole. It's just a flat-out lie.

He can get an education. Easily. He just can't play Division 1 NCAA hockey while doing so. He is not banned from higher education. Even Mike Danton, following his conviction and release, went to go play hockey and attend college.

Oh, and since he signed an NHL deal, he wouldn't be eligible for NCAA D1 hockey anyway.

He's literally got a contract signed with an NHL team that will pay him plenty of money. And he will eventually make it into the NHL, I have no doubt. So quit breaking out the violins for this idiot. He didn't just make a dumb mistake--he terrorized a mentally challenged boy because he was black, and has done less than the bare minimum to make up for it in the SIX YEARS since then.

Why so angry? Seriously

 

[The Merchant]

Not speaking on the Bruins’ leadership here. Speaking on public outcry on many situations (not just Miller). It is weird how being a part of being a public mob and actively trying hurt a person’s life is considered moral today. Morality is an always evolving and changing concept (look no further than premarital sex in western culture)… but seems being vindictive and hateful is considered a moral positive in situations like this. While forgiveness and compassion is not allowed or even encouraged anymore.

You can generalize and philosophize all you want to distract from the fact, but it won't make you any less in the wrong in this situation.

 

[Pokecheque]

Not speaking on the Bruins’ leadership here. Speaking on public outcry on many situations (not just Miller). It is weird how being a part of being a public mob and actively trying hurt a person’s life is considered moral today. Morality is an always evolving and changing concept (look no further than premarital sex in western culture)… but seems being vindictive and hateful is considered a moral positive in situations like this. While forgiveness and compassion is not allowed or even encouraged anymore.

Oh spare me. If he makes a genuine apology, the family accepts, and the "mob" is still out for him, by all means, lets' talk about it then. But until then, this commentary is meaningless.

Are the knives out for the other kid who was involved in this? Nope. He showed genuine remorse and is moving on with his life, and the "mob" is letting him. If Miller had done what that kid did, there would still be blowback, of course there would be. But not to this degree.

Why so angry? Seriously

Because your post was stupid.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Because your post was stupid.

It's a discussion board. We should be able to have normal discussions even if there are disagreements. Getting all angry about it is not the way to go.

 

[The Merchant]

This is the last thing I'll post on the matter an leave it at that. I implore people to read through this and try to find that their empathy refocuses on the victim rather than the perpetrator, even it that doesn't fit your prerogative.

 

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You can generalize and philosophize all you want to distract from the fact that you're in the wrong in this situation.

I might be wrong in the end because he f***s up. I don’t believe I’m wrong in saying people should get chances to redeem themselves. Even if only a small percentage actually do, it is worth it.

Oh spare me. If he makes a genuine apology, the family accepts, and the "mob" is still out for him, by all means, lets' talk about it then. But until then, this commentary is meaningless.

Are the knives out for the other kid who was involved in this? Nope. He showed genuine remorse and is moving on with his life, and the "mob" is letting him. If Miller had done what that kid did, there would still be blowback, of course there would be. But not to this degree.


Because your post was stupid.

Some people will never forgive no matter the circumstances. We don’t know with this family. We do know apologies were given and clearly not accepted. Genuine will always be in the eye of the beholder. At this point Miller could give the most heartfelt apology and dedicate all his free time to the subject and some people would still call it self serving and not genuine.

The other kid isnt in the public sphere.

 

[Muffin]

It's a discussion board. We should be able to have normal discussions even if there are disagreements. Getting all angry about it is not the way to go.

I mean you're literally trying to defend a psychopath, read the post below yours...

 

[Pokecheque]

I might be wrong in the end because he f***s up. I don’t believe I’m wrong in saying people should get chances to redeem themselves. Even if only a small percentage actually do, it is worth it.

Some people will never forgive no matter the circumstances. We don’t know with this family. We do know apologies were given and clearly not accepted. Genuine will always be in the eye of the beholder. At this point Miller could give the most heartfelt apology and dedicate all his free time to the subject and some people would still call it self serving and not genuine.

The other kid isnt in the public sphere.

Of course some people won't forgive. I think that's okay. Something this heinous should always stay with him to some degree. He can and should always be working toward redemption, forgiveness is not always an all-or-nothing thing, so let's not define it as such,.

Here's the thing, he hasn't put in the work,. Hasn't even come close. The moment he does, I'll listen. So will others. The "apology" was not accepted because it was not genuine.

Regardless of whether the other kid is in the public sphere or not, that young man was forgiven and gave Miller and obvious path to follow. He has consciously chosen not to follow it. That is entirely on him and the family that continues to enable him.

It's a discussion board. We should be able to have normal discussions even if there are disagreements. Getting all angry about it is not the way to go.

It's your right to post on this board, same as me. When you or anyone else cross a line, it's my right to call you out on it (unless the mods tell me I can't but until then I'm going to do it). You, in my opinion, crossed a line. Your post was whiny and ignorant. Save your energy and sympathy to those who deserve it.

 

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Of course some people won't forgive. I think that's okay. Something this heinous should always stay with him to some degree. He can and should always be working toward redemption, forgiveness is not always an all-or-nothing thing, so let's not define it as such,.

Here's the thing, he hasn't put in the work,. Hasn't even come close. The moment he does, I'll listen. So will others. The "apology" was not accepted because it was not genuine.

Regardless of whether the other kid is in the public sphere or not, that young man was forgiven and gave Miller and obvious path to follow. He has consciously chosen not to follow it. That is entirely on him and the family that continues to enable him.

I’m not saying it is all or nothing… but people are not giving any room here at all. I’ve said he should have a chance to redeem… not that all should be forgotten immediately.

I really don’t see people suddenly dropping it. We’ve seen this play out a lot in the last few years. There is a lot of blood thirst with very little room for people to grow out of it. Being this far after, the public has clearly made up their mind. Even if he dedicated everything to it, he’d still catch a lot of hell.

 

[Ceremony]

I’m not saying it is all or nothing… but people are not giving any room here at all. I’ve said he should have a chance to redeem… not that all should be forgotten immediately.

You keep saying this. It's been years since these incidents happened, what's he done to redeem himself? I'm guessing I know as much about it as you, and to me there's no contrition, education or suggestion from Miller or anyone connected to him that he's sorry or he's changed or actively gone out of his way to atone for what he did. Does this chance to redeem himself have to come when he's old/capable enough to earn a seven figure salary while doing so?

I don't have to think about it because the hockey team I support isn't run by people clueless enough to take on this problem for very little gain, but I'd need an awful lot more to go on than we've seen here to believe he deserves this sort of chance.

 

[Pokecheque]

I’m not saying it is all or nothing… but people are not giving any room here at all. I’ve said he should have a chance to redeem… not that all should be forgotten immediately.

I really don’t see people suddenly dropping it. We’ve seen this play out a lot in the last few years. There is a lot of blood thirst with very little room for people to grow out of it. Being this far after, the public has clearly made up their mind. Even if he dedicated everything to it, he’d still catch a lot of hell.

Please give me an example of someone doing something like this, making a genuine apology, being forgiven by the aggrieved party, and still getting scores upon scores of people won't let them forget it.

Dan Harmon? He was forgiven and got his job back. James Gunn? He was forgiven and got his job back (and that one was largely bullshit anyway). Justine Sacco? She has moved on and got a new job in PR, and has admitted the experience has made her a lot wiser.

I have repeatedly "given him room." And many others have as well. He refuses to take it. Again, this feels like a pointless argument until he actually makes the effort. He won't do it after six years, I doubt he will anytime soon. He's just waiting it out.

 

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You keep saying this. It's been years since these incidents happened, what's he done to redeem himself? I'm guessing I know as much about it as you, and to me there's no contrition, education or suggestion from Miller or anyone connected to him that he's sorry or he's changed or actively gone out of his way to atone for what he did. Does this chance to redeem himself have to come when he's old/capable enough to earn a seven figure salary while doing so?

I don't have to think about it because the hockey team I support isn't run by people clueless enough to take on this problem for very little gain, but I'd need an awful lot more to go on than we've seen here to believe he deserves this sort of chance.

He’s done more than nothing… anything I know is third hand. Tri City and their organization there speak very highly of how he has handled himself. His agent is one of the main voices in the diversity push in the NHL. I have doubts King would take Miller on as a client if there we’re continuing issues.

I’d pause on that for the Avs…. They brought in a guy with a pretty sorted history in Downie. They also teamed up with an organization and staff that participated in a number of incidents with Aliu.

 

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Please give me an example of someone doing something like this, making a genuine apology, being forgiven by the aggrieved party, and still getting scores upon scores of people won't let them forget it.

Dan Harmon? He was forgiven and got his job back. James Gunn? He was forgiven and got his job back (and that one was largely bullshit anyway). Justine Sacco? She has moved on and got a new job in PR, and has admitted the experience has made her a lot wiser.

I have repeatedly "given him room." And many others have as well. He refuses to take it. Again, this feels like a pointless argument until he actually makes the effort. He won't do it after six years, I doubt he will anytime soon. He's just waiting it out.

Most people who have been cancel have give some sort apology. Most are likely BS but most give out something. The forgiven by the aggravated party is one of the concepts that is difficult. Many people simply don’t forgive. Could look at Aziz Ansari who has yet to even get close to his previous highs. He’s basically an afterthought.

I fail to see any room being given. It was at one point, he hasn’t apologized (which was mandated and he did… could argue it wasn’t genuine and I’d certainly agree then). Then it was he didn’t directly do it. Which apparently he did on Instagram (I haven’t seen the actual apology there so who knows). Now it is that he hasn’t meant any of them or it wasn’t done soon enough. It reinforces the idea that the goalposts keep moving.

I personally think the kid will likely f*** up again. His parents are pos who have likely formed a pos as a kid… but he’s too young to say he’s always going to be a pos. I hold that he should be given a chance to show he’s grown and developed as a person. Some around him think he has.

 

[BaconNater]

Is the difference between the Bruins last year and this year just having a 2C?

 

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Is the difference between the Bruins last year and this year just having a 2C?

Lindholm being comfortable helps a lot too. But yeah, Krejci playing like he is makes a huge difference. I think they’re bound to regress though.

 

[Balthazar]

 

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Red Wings will be a very complete team soon… a bit of everything on that team including how physical they are.

 

[Hennessy]

ESPN is so much better than SN. I usually don't notice such things enough to care because intermission and pre-games are mindless drivel, but I can't remember a time where I preferred the US broadcaster over the Canadian one.

 

[Foppberg]

ESPN is so much better than SN. I usually don't notice such things enough to care because intermission and pre-games are mindless drivel, but I can't remember a time where I preferred the US broadcaster over the Canadian one.

ESPN is pretty good. TnT sucks though.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I’m in on Dallas being real good this year.

There’s really not a lot of weaknesses on that team. Great goaltending, good defence, and a nice complement of forwards.

 

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I’m in on Dallas being real good this year.

There’s really a lot of weaknesses on that team. Great goaltending, good defence, and a nice complement of forwards.

Robertson might be the most underrated player in the league.

 

[Avs_19]

The more I read up on Miller and what went on, the more I think he's evil and sadistic rather than just immature. Some real ****ed up stuff.

 

[Balthazar]

@henchman24 looks like you were right about Dach on the wing

 

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@henchman24 looks like you were right about Dach on the wing

He’s been great this year! He just need to be pushed where his skill set would be better used.

 

[The Merchant]

ESPN is pretty good. TnT sucks though.

Dang really? I love the TNT broadcasts. By far the most entertaining. ESPN is good too, just more vanilla which isn't always a bad thing.

@henchman24 looks like you were right about Dach on the wing

"We need to rebuild!"

"Great, let's start by trading our two best young players and keeping our two aging stars!"