2022-2023 Around The League

[Metallo]

Disagree.

There's no need to f*** around with the rules.


Reinforcing my point:

Sometimes a penalty shot is disadvantageous to the deserving team. Like with 2 min left and the lead I take the PP and kill the clock. Or while facing a goalie that is super hot on 1vs1. Or when your 4th liner is forced to take the penalty shot. All these scenarios don't make sense to be "penalized" when you are awarded a penalty shot instead of a PP. Penalty shots used to be the ultimate punishment when the goalies couldn't stop a beach ball but it's not automatic anymore.

 

[Balthazar]

Sometimes a penalty shot is disadvantageous to the deserving team. Like with 2 min left and the lead I take the PP and kill the clock. Or while facing a goalie that is super hot on 1vs1. Or when your 4th liner is forced to take the penalty shot. All these scenarios don't make sense to be "penalized" when you are awarded a penalty shot instead of a PP. Penalty shots used to be the ultimate punishment when the goalies couldn't stop a beach ball but it's not automatic anymore.

I'm just against changing the rules in general. To me fairness > "more exciting" and changing the rules is never to make the game more fair.

Like I said before, I even wish they'd reverse back and play a 5 min 5V5 OT and allow tie games.

 

[Metallo]

I'm just against changing the rules in general. To me fairness > "more exciting" and changing the rules is never to make the game more fair.

Like I said before, I even wish they'd reverse back and play a 5 min 5V5 OT and allow tie games.

This change is not to make the game more exciting, it's to make it more fair. The threshold to be granted a PS is higher than one for a simple PP, then the punishment shouldn't be less (in certain circumstances listed above) than a PP. Giving the team the option to choose is all about the fairness.

And I'm like you in general, a traditionalist. I hate 3vs3 and penalty shootouts, I find it boring.

 

[The Moops]

I had a stupid thought today about a rule change that could make Power Plays more exciting....

Don't let the penalty killers ice the puck, but allow them to go offsides. That way they could risk having someone camp in the other zone to prevent icing and have some shorthanded chances

 

[The Merchant]

 

[Balthazar]

 

[UncleRisto]

I personally don't care about Mitchell Miller. You're not supposed to do what he did, but it's nothing to me, and this is just a sport. You shouldn't place much of an expectation of values on sports anyway.

 

[Ceremony]

You shouldn't place much of an expectation of values on sports anyway.

Why not?

 

[UncleRisto]

Why not?

Just like you shouldn't expect anything from a group of any other celebrities. Because the people doing it can skate or kick or throw well. Placing a blanket value on that group of people is unrealistic.

 

[Freudian]

I tend to lean towards giving second chances because a society that doesn't is in deep trouble. That said, I also believe people rarely fundamentally change. Kids can be dicks towards each other but what I read about what this guy did, it went beyond that. Pretty sadistic stuff for a teen.

Some team was always going to sign him and trumpet out how he's changed, so I'm not surprised. I guess I would prefer seeing change in some other way than through letters to teams he wants to get drafted by and instagram posts.

 

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There are a number of layers to the Miller story… one that hasn’t gotten press, at least that I have seen, is the inability for him to even attend college. One team I know of tried to bring him in as a walk on where he’d redshirt for a year and only allowed on the team the following season as a condition where zero issues happened during that first year. The college administration denied his application to attend the school. Miller can’t even attend college at this point. Another school was shot down from even pursuing him when it was brought up by the staff. Is that enough punishment? If it isn’t, how can he advance his life and show he’s changed without hockey and college? (And I know not everyone needs college to be successful)

Another layer is Eustace King. Many people may not know who that is, but he’s an up and coming hockey agent. He’s going to be one of the big agent names in the next decade (O2K is his agency). He’s been a big part of promoting diversity in hockey and growing the game in different communities. King is Miller’s agent/advisor and has been working channels to find the kid a place to play. King has been one of Miller’s biggest advocates and frankly, I can’t see him standing up for a kid he doesn’t believe in.

In the end, I simply think the kid should be given a chance. If he f***s it up, cut him loose right away.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Such a massive difference between henchman and his awesome replies to the Miller situation compared to the bloodlust on the mainboards

 

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Such a massive difference between henchman and his awesome replies to the Miller situation compared to the bloodlust on the mainboards

I think there is a better than 50% chance that I’ll look incredibly foolish for even stating the kid should be given a chance. I just don’t want to live in a world where there isn’t a path for redemption for most people. Obviously murders, rapists, etc can be beyond the line… but a shitty kid with shitty parents should be allowed to have a chance to mature beyond that and end up a productive member of society.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

I think there is a better than 50% chance that I’ll look incredibly foolish for even stating the kid should be given a chance. I just don’t want to live in a world where there isn’t a path for redemption for most people. Obviously murders, rapists, etc can be beyond the line… but a shitty kid with shitty parents should be allowed to have a chance to mature beyond that and end up a productive member of society.

Don't think so. Based on the information that we have your responses are perfectly level-headed. There should be a path to redemption, it's up to Miller to make something out of it.

 

[avsfan09]

What's proper punishment for the bullshit you did at 13-14 though? I wasn't a bully but I sure did some things at that age that I'm not proud of.

Same. I think most of us should feel the same because that shows self reflection. It’s hard because I have no clue what even truly happened. I just am always on the side of redemption. What’s appropriate to show that… I really don’t know. He’s likely to face backlash and consequences from this his whole life.

 

[dahrougem2]

I personally don't care about Mitchell Miller. You're not supposed to do what he did, but it's nothing to me, and this is just a sport. You shouldn't place much of an expectation of values on sports anyway.

Charles Barkley agrees 100%. Ain't no role model.

 

[The Abusement Park]

There are a number of layers to the Miller story… one that hasn’t gotten press, at least that I have seen, is the inability for him to even attend college. One team I know of tried to bring him in as a walk on where he’d redshirt for a year and only allowed on the team the following season as a condition where zero issues happened during that first year. The college administration denied his application to attend the school. Miller can’t even attend college at this point. Another school was shot down from even pursuing him when it was brought up by the staff. Is that enough punishment? If it isn’t, how can he advance his life and show he’s changed without hockey and college? (And I know not everyone needs college to be successful)

Another layer is Eustace King. Many people may not know who that is, but he’s an up and coming hockey agent. He’s going to be one of the big agent names in the next decade (O2K is his agency). He’s been a big part of promoting diversity in hockey and growing the game in different communities. King is Miller’s agent/advisor and has been working channels to find the kid a place to play. King has been one of Miller’s biggest advocates and frankly, I can’t see him standing up for a kid he doesn’t believe in.

In the end, I simply think the kid should be given a chance. If he f***s it up, cut him loose right away.

That sort of stuff is too far... Especially for something he did as a kid. It should definitely take some work to redeem himself but you can't deny the kid an education if he wants it.

 

[Avs91]

 

[TruePowerSlave]

So he can't get an education or play in the NHL, at least for now, because of actions he took as a child. That doesn't sound right.

 

[Ceremony]

The reaction to the Bruins signing him seems the same as the Coyotes drafting him or the Canadiens drafting that boy with issues the other year. Beforehand, it's well known that there's an outrage. The team does the thing, then seems surprised by the reaction to it. What did they think was going to happen? If you believe that strongly in him, why wouldn't you make sure you had justifications and statements and whatever else ready?

 

[The Merchant]

The reaction to the Bruins signing him seems the same as the Coyotes drafting him or the Canadiens drafting that boy with issues the other year. Beforehand, it's well known that there's an outrage. The team does the thing, then seems surprised by the reaction to it. What did they think was going to happen? If you believe that strongly in him, why wouldn't you make sure you had justifications and statements and whatever else ready?

Because other teams wanted him so they panicked and offered him an ELC w/ a max AHL salary and signing bonus without seriously considering the repercussions, including not bothering to check with HQ to see if he's even eligible. What an incredibly stupid unforced error.

 

[Freudian]

I'm not even bothered that Red Wings are off to a good start. Can't fuel a rivalry on 20 year old memories when you are in different conferences.

 

[The Merchant]

Bruins' own leadership with a firmer moral compass than some posters on here.

 

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Bruins' own leadership with a firmer moral compass than some posters on here.

Not speaking on the Bruins’ leadership here. Speaking on public outcry on many situations (not just Miller). It is weird how being a part of being a public mob and actively trying hurt a person’s life is considered moral today. Morality is an always evolving and changing concept (look no further than premarital sex in western culture)… but seems being vindictive and hateful is considered a moral positive in situations like this. While forgiveness and compassion is not allowed or even encouraged anymore.

 

[Pokecheque]

So he can't get an education or play in the NHL, at least for now, because of actions he took as a child. That doesn't sound right.

Oh shut the absolute f*** up. This goes beyond hyperbole. It's just a flat-out lie.

He can get an education. Easily. He just can't play Division 1 NCAA hockey while doing so. He is not banned from higher education. Even Mike Danton, following his conviction and release, went to go play hockey and attend college.

Oh, and since he signed an NHL deal, he wouldn't be eligible for NCAA D1 hockey anyway.

He's literally got a contract signed with an NHL team that will pay him plenty of money. And he will eventually make it into the NHL, I have no doubt. So quit breaking out the violins for this idiot. He didn't just make a dumb mistake--he terrorized a mentally challenged boy because he was black, and has done less than the bare minimum to make up for it in the SIX YEARS since then.