2022-2023 Around the League Part Deux

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Gawd, the NHL fan vote thing for this year's ASG is the most poorly designed, user-unfriendly experience imaginable. Just the clunkiest, most awkward UI, it took me 10 minutes to select my ballot and get everything in, and it was like pulling fingernails the entire time. Classic example of fixing what ain't broken, I'm done with voting for this year.
I went to do it when I first saw the team tweet about it. I signed in, I went through several screens explaining how it worked, then I had to pick a bunch of players for one of the divisions and none of the headshots matched up to the right player. Bin. It's almost impressive how hard the NHL seems to try to make bad things worse.
 
Gawd, the NHL fan vote thing for this year's ASG is the most poorly designed, user-unfriendly experience imaginable. Just the clunkiest, most awkward UI, it took me 10 minutes to select my ballot and get everything in, and it was like pulling fingernails the entire time. Classic example of fixing what ain't broken, I'm done with voting for this year.
I figured it out, eventually but super clunky, and WAY more complex than it needs to be. Then I went back today to vote again, and it asked me if I wanted to use same players, but all the slots were blank. So I can to go through and set it all up again, and it seemed worse that I remembered. Really poorly designed and run.
 
Junior trade deadlines are wild. Zellweger is probably the best defensemen in the Dub, and Hofer is a very good 2C in the Dub... which cements Kamloops as the best team in the league (we're tracking to a Winnipeg/Kamloops final, though Seattle might have a thing or two to say about that). Adding to that, they host the Memorial Cup so they can basically load up for two major runs.
More importantly, draft picks in the CHL aren't worth much compared to the NHL. So trading four 1st picks in the NHL would be outrageous but in junior hockey it happens all the time.
 
More importantly, draft picks in the CHL aren't worth much compared to the NHL. So trading four 1st picks in the NHL would be outrageous but in junior hockey it happens all the time.
Picks, especially 1st rounders, in the CHL are more about recruiting and players you can actually bring in rather than the best players.

But when it comes down to it, with how thin the margins are in the CHL... a long playoff run or championship can bring in enough excess revenue to sustain a franchise for years. It is incredibly worth it to load up to get the extra cash flow and far more than picks years down the line. Plus if you can grab a Memorial Cup, it helps with recruiting those young players immensely.
 
There is more than one way to skin a cat. That method has worked before in the NHL and will work again. We even saw for a couple years, the Isles were the toughest test for Tampa and that is the way they played.... slow it down, interfere, blockshots, win with 2-3 goals.

Yeah, it's how teams without top-end talent take care of teams with that talent. The Isles did it for the same reason the Kings did it, and yes, it works, I get it. That said, the Isles were never able to get over the hump, their lack of gamebreaking talent eventually caught up to them, and it will catch up to the Kings as well.
 
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Yeah, it's how teams without top-end talent take care of teams with that talent. The Isles did it for the same reason the Kings did it, and yes, it works, I get it. That said, the Isles were never able to get over the hump, their lack of gamebreaking talent eventually caught up to them, and it will catch up to the Kings as well.
Yeah they didn't have a gamebreaker and that hurt them, but the Caps under Trotz were under the same system and shows what can be done with one. We don't know if the Kings eventually end up with one (and they may have one in Fiala). Teams don't need to play fast, super high paced, offensive styles to win Cups. You can still grind and block it out.
 
The NHL not calling instigators in those cases is as much about limiting those hits as much as anything else. If players don't have to fight in those cases, or even better if they get a PP after, there will be more bigger hits, especially in the neutral zone (where these fights tend to happen the most). Keeping that fight in the game lessens the amount of those hits, which opens the neutral zone, where many of the more exciting scoring plays stem from, and that's what the NHL wants.
 
Referees need to do a way better job enforcing this. If you feel the need to go after a guy who just laid a clean hit, you should be penalized.

The ONE time I felt it was the wise thing to do was a Hurricanes/Avs tilt a few years ago when the Avs were firmly in control and Micheal Ferland went into full wrecking ball mode and starting hitting everything in sight to try and get his team fired up. EJ stepped in and said "Enough of that." Wasn't so much a "code" thing as it was refusing to let the Canes gain momentum, and it worked.

That said, if the refs started doing this it would cut waaay down on stoppages that just slow down the game.
 
Always hate fights starting after a not-dirty hit, the league needs to start using the instigator again.
How Kings didn't get an instigator on Danault's fight was nuts and I am probably the most anti-Oilers bloke on this board after the Calgary fans.
I'm not as sold on Clarke. He's like the healthy version of Timmins who has some skating issues, but plays a heady game at a good pace. It is possible it can work and even work well... but is he a #1?
I had Clarke #1 overall on my list and even though I am an idiot, I still won't change it as of now. I one hundred million percent agree that his skating at the moment is holding him back, but he's way smarter and has much more offensive tools than Power or any other defenceman in that draft. He will struggle at the defensive game at times because I think he plays smaller than his size in the d-zone, but I like his talent more than Power even if Owen will be much better two-way and in the important moments of the game.
Holy ****?! What is this?? These guys are worth that much? Sorry for my lack of knowledge
As Hench and Balthazar mentioned, junior trades tend to be crazy and there have been ones like this such as when Ryan Johansen and Brayden Schenn got traded (also when Tavares got traded in the OHL too). The problem is that CHL teams have like 20 rounds or something, so a lot of the picks won't ever amount to much. The other problem is that in the WHL, they pick the youngest players in their draft (Bantan years) of the three CHL leagues and that comes with a ton and I mean a TON of top busts. Go to Eliteprospect, click on drafts, scroll down to WHL draft, and go through all 1st overall WHL picks and you will find a lot of bad players who are either retired or currently playing in the Canadian University hockey league (or Europe).
 
Know what would just be a wild concept is if the nhl developed some sort of rule book and enforced it consistently.
We'd have games with 20 power plays a night... each time the NHL has cracked down on penalties, coaches and players start complaining until the NHL relents. The single best example was right after the 04-05 lockout. Unless you want penalty box parades, you don't want the rulebook called 100%.
 
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We'd have games with 20 power plays a night... each time the NHL has cracked down on penalties, coaches and players start complaining until the NHL relents. The single best example was right after the 04-05 lockout. Unless you want penalty box parades, you don't want the rulebook called 100%.
Gotta disagree with you 100% here. Players will adapt. It will no doubt be a penalty box parade until that happens but believe me, the coaches will MAKE that happen.

You know it's freaking crazy though that we are entering a period in technological advancement where the NHL could actually say that a cross-check is defined as a two-handed check using the shaft of a stick AND exceeds X Newtons of force and have the ability for the equipment to monitor this stuff and automatically call penalties when conditions have been met.

Anyways, I will always want the rulebook to be called 100%. Well, what I would like is for the rules to be re-written to remove as much subjectivity as possible so that they can be called 100%, but that's probably not going to fly. However, I don't think I've ever seen the state of officiating as bad as it is today. There is clearly a lack of training and a gross indifference towards consistency. I wonder if Covid maybe affected the development of referees more than anyone else.
 
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The NHL knows that people prefer 5v5 hockey, big hits and the occasional fight. Calling the rule book would only please a small fraction of the fanbase.

If it wasn't the case it would have been done a long time ago.
 
Gotta disagree with you 100% here. Players will adapt. It will no doubt be a penalty box parade until that happens but believe me, the coaches will MAKE that happen.

You know it's freaking crazy though that we are entering a period in technological advancement where the NHL could actually say that a cross-check is defined as a two-handed check using the shaft of a stick AND exceeds X Newtons of force and have the ability for the equipment to monitor this stuff and automatically call penalties when conditions have been met.

Anyways, I will always want the rulebook to be called 100%. Well, what I would like is for the rules to be re-written to remove as much subjectivity as possible so that they can be called 100%, but that's probably not going to fly. However, I don't think I've ever seen the state of officiating as bad as it is today. There is clearly a lack of training and a gross indifference towards consistency. I wonder if Covid maybe affected the development of referees more than anyone else.
They really don't though... the period after the 04-05 lockout really portrays that well. The NHL came in hard on call certain rules... what happened wasn't that players adapted. It was that players and coaches started calling out the refs and the league on the rules. Complaining about the penalty box parade. Within a couple years, the NHL was reaching new lows in penalties being called. It wasn't that there wasn't still hooking and slashing, it was that they refs just didn't call it any more. Even to the point where we had a new mini-dead puck era.
 
Byfield will be given a very long leash with the TT breakout. All the physical tools are there for Byfield to be that impactful of a player, just remains to be seen if he can make it all click.

I'm not as sold on Clarke. He's like the healthy version of Timmins who has some skating issues, but plays a heady game at a good pace. It is possible it can work and even work well... but is he a #1?

Turcotte is a bit of a victim of expectations, but as much of that, he's been constantly injured since he got drafted. I think in the games he's played in Ontario, he's been a very impactful player on both ends and a bit snakebit. But he's not going to be a top line center and is more likely a good tweener than a 2nd liner.
I did not like Clarke defensively at the World Juniors, he made some dumb plays. Just feels like a guy that is good in juniors but his play won't translate to the NHL.
 
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We'd have games with 20 power plays a night... each time the NHL has cracked down on penalties, coaches and players start complaining until the NHL relents. The single best example was right after the 04-05 lockout. Unless you want penalty box parades, you don't want the rulebook called 100%.
For every slow, not talented, thug complaining is a small skilled guy that makes his bread on the power play cheering.

Unfortunately, the old boys club is full of the former rather than the latter. You love the small boys too so you should be the biggest proponent.
 
Byfield straight up forgot he was in the NHL last night and tried to go through Zach Hyman, and got absolutely obliterated.
Byfield to me has always had a skillset that wouldn’t translate well. He doesn’t think the game at a super high level, he doesn’t use his teammates particularly well, and once he wasn’t bigger/faster than everyone or good enough to go hero mode on his competitors he struggled.
 
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They really don't though... the period after the 04-05 lockout really portrays that well. The NHL came in hard on call certain rules... what happened wasn't that players adapted. It was that players and coaches started calling out the refs and the league on the rules. Complaining about the penalty box parade. Within a couple years, the NHL was reaching new lows in penalties being called. It wasn't that there wasn't still hooking and slashing, it was that they refs just didn't call it any more. Even to the point where we had a new mini-dead puck era.
But you are making it sound like the hooking and slashing we have today is the same as what we had in the 90s. It's completely different. We don't have folks taking out Bure's knees today. Yes, MacKinnon and MacDavid and other stars get grabbed, held and obstructed but it's nowhere close to what it was when we had the likes of Derian Hatcher making the All-Star games.

I will agree though that initially following the lockout the officials probably went too far and then reduced calls to an "acceptable?" level? That's the problem with subjective measurements though, they can and often do change over time. And it's definitely a driving problem with the lack of consistency...not only from ref to ref but the same ref within a single game is having problems being consistent with their calls. They really need help and I'm not sure what the answer is but it's a large part of the game and it's probably been too long since the league really gave a full effort to update its officiating.

It will never happen, but with as close to gambling as the game is getting (and in light of Tim Peel and what we all know about game management), I'd like to see more public scrutiny of officiating. I mean, these guys don't even wear their names on the sweaters anymore.

I also want to make it very clear that I do not believe there is some boogey man out to get the Avs or that we are somehow playing at a disadvantage that 31 other teams don't have. All teams are eating the same soup sandwich.

Rereading this, I think I may have too much of a hate-on for refs though. I should probably really work on letting that go.
 
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