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2022-2023 Around the League Part Deux

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Balthazar said:
Did you know that Matthew Tkachuk has more points than Rantanen this season with the same number of games played? All that while racking up 72 PIM. He can fight, he's a pest AND produce more than Rants who's on a career year. That's f***ing ridiculous. He also had a better season offensively last year than Mack and Rants ever had (104 pts).

He's as elite as it gets and has joined Brad Marchand in my book at the very top of the most underrated players in the league.

8 years at 9.5M was a f***ing bargain for the Panthers.

PS: If Rants wants 12M-13M for his next contract I hope MacFarland points him the Tkachuk contract that was signed after the 104 pt season and at age 25.
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Playoff Tkachuk is a liability. Thats's a pretty big point in Mikko's favor, being an integral part of a cup winning team.
 
To those who think Sutter is only joking and he's toying with media as part of a character he has built - this what he had to say to passing the late Bob Johnson as the Flames winningest coach:

“It’s not hard to pass somebody – all you need to be is good,” said Sutter.

What a jerk.
 
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Avsfan1921 said:
Their job is to run his nose in it 15 times per presser? Yes, they have an obligation ask on it, they did over and over and over. That is the point I’m making. They should have asked him, they also should have moved on instead of hounding that one subject every post game. That’s what I’m saying. Get your bit and move on, but they couldn’t move on and we’re baiting him, or at least attempting to.

I’d have them not beat a dead horse, literally. He was a dead man walking in terms of his job. Ask him, fine, but don’t drone on about it in a q&a situation… let the talk shows take care of that and speculate away, not put him through the ringer on the situation by taking questions he’s sensitive on. “Hardball” questions are not had by asking Boudreau himself about his imminent demise over and over. Hardball questions would be to go after management and ask them what they were thinking making this public, hounding management about why they are so bad, asking management why they thought myers, miller etc. were good ideas. Not drag the coach through the mud on his way out.
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I’ll say one more time that the media did him a favor asking him the tough questions and him being forthright, honest, and even a little vulnerable made him look great in the eyes of the sports world. Obviously that was not the impetus behind the questioning but that most certainly was the end result.

You keep implying this is something akin to the time that NBC reporter kept asking Bode Miller about his dead sister to finally get him to break on camera and I don’t think that’s remotely the same situation.

And it’s not like they blindsided him. He knew damn well what was coming, he could have bailed and no one would’ve blamed him. You say they should ask the tough questions to management and ownership, they’re not there to be asked questions. Bruce was. The media did their job. Nothing more, nothing less. There are plenty of instances where those folks f*** up, this is not an example of that.
 
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I’ll say one more time that the media did him a favor asking him the tough questions and him being forthright, honest, and even a little vulnerable made him look great in the eyes of the sports world. Obviously that was not the impetus behind the questioning but that most certainly was the end result.
You keep implying this is something akin to the time that NBC reporter kept asking Bode Miller about his dead sister to finally get him to break on camera and I don’t think that’s remotely the same situation.

And it’s not like they blindsided him. He knew damn well what was coming, he could have bailed and no one would’ve blamed him. You say they should ask the tough questions to management and ownership, they’re not there to be asked questions. Bruce was. The media did their job. Nothing more, nothing less. There are plenty of instances where those folks f*** up, this is not an example of that.
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I do not know anything about Brody miller or the instance you are referring to, that sounds horrible. This is obviously nothing like that and you are over dramatizing what I am getting at.

I think you believe I thought there was some great injustice done by the media. That is not the case. I said they over dramatized it, and that I do not agree with how they handled it. They showed almost as much class as the Canucks front office in my opinion. I was asked to clarify what I meant so that is what I did. Feel free to agree or disagree but I most certainly am not trying to make this Boudreau media circus into a big deal, merely an observation from my viewpoint and certainly not in the level you think I mean for it to be.
 


Pretty good thread here about just how utterly useless the faceoff stat in general really is. A top 6 Center with a 60% win rate, would add +1 goal differential in an entire season.


He does leave the door open for slightly increased value on the PP/PK, but the reality is the difference between a 50% and 60% Center is marginal at best.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:


Pretty good thread here about just how utterly useless the faceoff stat in general really is. A top 6 Center with a 60% win rate, would add +1 goal differential in an entire season.


He does leave the door open for slightly increased value on the PP/PK, but the reality is the difference between a 50% and 60% Center is marginal at best.
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That's pretty shocking actually.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:


Pretty good thread here about just how utterly useless the faceoff stat in general really is. A top 6 Center with a 60% win rate, would add +1 goal differential in an entire season.


He does leave the door open for slightly increased value on the PP/PK, but the reality is the difference between a 50% and 60% Center is marginal at best.
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Wouldn't surprise me if the Avs analysts found out about this years ago, and that's why they haven't given a single shit about FOW's on their return from underneath the basement floor.
 
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Been saying it for a while now, faceoffs are vastly overrated. Statistically speaking, they simply even out over the course of a season, the difference between an elite faceoff man and an average one is little better than random chance.
 
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Of course faceoffs are overrated but don't ever tell me they don't matter at all. It's situational--you continually lose draws on the power play, that's at least 10-12 seconds of attacking zone possession time lost. That matters. It also matters in defensive zone draws, if you continually lose those and you don't have great goaltending, it's going to result directly in goals against. It was a positively deadly combination when the Avs had Grubauer, who simply could not track pucks well and wasn't great at getting into proper position immediately after the draw. So many times it'd just get kicked back to the point man and boom, in the net.

Avs don't need to get this generation's Paul Gaustad, but FOR F***S SAKE why do they keep finding centers who suck donkey balls at faceoffs!!!??? It should not be this hard. MacKinnon, Jost, Meyers, Newhook, all these guys are just atrocious winning draws. Compher has an okay average but I believe he loses key faceoffs all the damned time.

I also think systems-wise, Bednar just doesn't have them prepared to secure the puck right after the puck drops. Conor McGahey once said a snide remark that "even when the Avs win faceoffs, they lose them." It's like he refuses to send an extra guy through the circle to scoop up the loose puck, whereas a lot of teams just tell their guys to collapse on it right off the draw. It also drives me batshit crazy how many times they actually win a draw, the center sends it back to the point and there's absolutely no one there to get it.
 
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I only care about faceoffs on special teams and defensive draws. The Avs hardly ever win those faceoffs.

Start of a PP lose the draw, puck gets cleared, Cale goes and gets it, drops it to Mackinnon. 20 seconds gone right there.

Start of a penalty kill. Puck gets dropped. Compher loses the draw clean. The other team has an entire minute of possession time and sometimes even longer. Avs get scored on or barely escape the PK and now everyone is tired especially toews and makar

Mackinnon has to be one of the worse faceoff centers in the league who is considered an elite C. Hes actually gotten worse at it as times gone on. I dont know why Sid wont help his little brother on this.
 
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The Kingslayer said:
I only care about faceoffs on special teams and defensive draws. The Avs hardly ever win those faceoffs.

Start of a PP lose the draw, puck gets cleared, Cale goes and gets it, drops it to Mackinnon. 20 seconds gone right there.

Start of a penalty kill. Puck gets dropped. Compher loses the draw clean. The other team has an entire minute of possession time and sometimes even longer. Avs get scored on or barely escape the PK and now everyone is tired especially toews and makar

Mackinnon has to be one of the worse faceoff centers in the league who is considered an elite C. Hes actually gotten worse at it as times gone on. I dont know why Sid wont help his little brother on this.
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This. Nobody has ever argued that neutral zone faceoffs were important. I don't even think anybody argued that 5vs5 OZ or DZ draws during the normal course of a game mattered as well except maybe for end of period draws. But nobody will ever convinced me that they don't matter on special teams, 4vs4 and 3vs3.
 
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