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2022-2023 Around the League Part Deux

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Before we devolve too far and this get's cleaned up. I'd just like to say this. Years ago, a locally owned Domino's franchise required their employees to attend an anti-abortion thing with signs on the corner of the street. This was obviously, completely ridiculous wrong and very much against the law. And it was shut down pronto thank goodness.

I understand that for the majority it is very easy to say all these jerseys are for worthy causes. Why would anyone not want to wear them. My defense is more along the lines of why should you require them to wear it? I'm really not trying to be an ass, but social, religious, and political issues converge all the time and I'm at the point where I'd rather just watch sports and have all that shit left out. I'm even tired of hearing issues I agree with being drilled over and over again.

If I want a serious information about a societal issue or a religious one, I'm certainly not hitting up my local hockey rink for experts. So why do journalists do this to athletes? Seems a little like nothing more than trying to stir the pot in order to promote the Athletics own political/social agenda. And they have very much become a social/political slanted form of sports media. They are very much incorporating it into everything they do other than Dom's models...so far.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
Before we devolve too far and this get's cleaned up. I'd just like to say this. Years ago, a locally owned Domino's franchise required their employees to attend an anti-abortion thing with signs on the corner of the street. This was obviously, completely ridiculous wrong and very much against the law. And it was shut down pronto thank goodness.

I understand that for the majority it is very easy to say all these jerseys are for worthy causes. Why would anyone not want to wear them. My defense is more along the lines of why should you require them to wear it? I'm really not trying to be an ass, but social, religious, and political issues converge all the time and I'm at the point where I'd rather just watch sports and have all that shit left out. I'm even tired of hearing issues I agree with being drilled over and over again.

If I want a serious information about a societal issue or a religious one, I'm certainly not hitting up my local hockey rink for experts. So why do journalists do this to athletes? Seems a little like nothing more than trying to stir the pot in order to promote the Athletics own political/social agenda. And they have very much become a social/political slanted form of sports media. They are very much incorporating it into everything they do other than Dom's models...so far.
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It's a platform. Athletes reach people, especially young people, a lot more than news outlets.

You are right in that nobody should seek out political views/opinions/etc from athletes, but this is the world we live in today. Athletes are given a platform to speak.
 
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expatriatedtexan said:
Before we devolve too far and this get's cleaned up. I'd just like to say this. Years ago, a locally owned Domino's franchise required their employees to attend an anti-abortion thing with signs on the corner of the street. This was obviously, completely ridiculous wrong and very much against the law. And it was shut down pronto thank goodness.

I understand that for the majority it is very easy to say all these jerseys are for worthy causes. Why would anyone not want to wear them. My defense is more along the lines of why should you require them to wear it? I'm really not trying to be an ass, but social, religious, and political issues converge all the time and I'm at the point where I'd rather just watch sports and have all that shit left out. I'm even tired of hearing issues I agree with being drilled over and over again.

If I want a serious information about a societal issue or a religious one, I'm certainly not hitting up my local hockey rink for experts. So why do journalists do this to athletes? Seems a little like nothing more than trying to stir the pot in order to promote the Athletics own political/social agenda. And they have very much become a social/political slanted form of sports media. They are very much incorporating it into everything they do other than Dom's models...so far.
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I don't know if you've seen the recent (and historic) headlines, but there's a lot of homophobic athletes and fans that think sports aren't for everyone. Visibility is important.
 
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Can't wait until this thread gets jannie'd and we can get back to arguing about hockey related things we will never agree on instead of politics related things we will never agree on
 
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Pride is fundamentally about the right to exist. Again, if you really "respect people's rights to choose whatever they want to be," then why not wear the jersey? His words, not mine.
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My question to this would be: Why does it even matter if he chooses to wear it or not? He didn’t make any negative comments regarding the LGBTQ community and didn’t disrespect them in any way so it should be a non-issue. Society is way to soft when these are the issues that have the internet in a tither. I’d get it if he was disrespectful in any way but he wasn’t. He didn’t wear the jersey because it’s not something he believes in, that’s not disrespectful, he just doesn’t agree with it.
 
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This is in no disrespect to homosexuality, but it is a choice (there's no negative to say it is a choice). It's a choice because it violates the biological basis of reproduction and genetics that go along with the formation of gender gonads in the womb. There is a region within human genetics called the "SRY" or the sex-determining region Y protein, which is the ONLY factor that arises to becoming a male and developing a penis. A penis' only job is to eject genetic material into the vagina for the promotion of life to continue on. If everyone was gay, then life would stop because there would be no fertilization of a zygote. That doesn't mean being gay is bad though, we live in a society where freedom of choice surpasses anything else. However, if you were back after the Black Plague or in the hunting-gathering time, I highly doubt you'll find many or even any homosexuals at all due to survival needs.

Also, genetic sequences found ONLY on the X-chromosome (aka you get it strictly from your mom) promote the formation of mitochondria in the cells of the body. Without mitochondria, life would not be able to ever exist at all because the majority if not all ATP molecules are made here. ATP is used against the laws of Thermodynamics for entropy and promotes the complexity of life by transporting molecules against their natural gradient. This means that both Y and X chromosomes are extremely important for humanity.
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Oof.
 
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Avsfan1921 said:
My question to this would be: Why does it even matter if he chooses to wear it or not? He didn’t make any negative comments regarding the LGBTQ community and didn’t disrespect them in any way so it should be a non-issue. Society is way to soft when these are the issues that have the internet in a tither. I’d get it if he was disrespectful in any way but he wasn’t. He didn’t wear the jersey because it’s not something he believes in, that’s not disrespectful, he just doesn’t agree with it.
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Because not wearing it when everyone else on your team is wearing it is a statement that causes arguments like this. If you have religious objections to homosexuality, don't be homosexual. But respect their right to exist and participate in your sport.
 
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The Kingslayer said:
William Nylanders contract is now a damn bargain. That kid going make some serious bank on that next contract.
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We, and all the other teams, missed the boat when the leafs looked like they needed a shakeup after their 432nd collapse to Boston. I really do think he could have been had for a bargain.
 
I don't think the Leafs were ever going to move him for a reasonable price, otherwise he would have been moved.
 
katfude said:
I don't know if you've seen the recent (and historic) headlines, but there's a lot of homophobic athletes and fans that think sports aren't for everyone. Visibility is important.
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And you think having Prov wear a rainbow seater is going to fix that? I completely agree the game need to make changes for more inclusivity of all sorts. However, I believe they need to make meaningful changes, not a jersey night. I just can't be bothered to find outrage over this. Sorry.
 
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This really isn't Provorov trying to push his agenda on anyone. He's just being put in a position where he's forced to choose to represent something that he doesn't want to represent. That his views may differ from mine doesn't really change this.

I wouldn't have an issue with a pacifist not wanting to wear the warm up jerseys for military appreciation night either.

I would prefer if sports is a neutral arena without politics and culture wars. It's not like we are running out of other areas in our lives where division and anger rules. These days I feel under siege.
 
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The Kingslayer said:
If the Seattle Kraken ever found a goalie they might be going places. Jones and Grubauer aint getting you anywhere.


We could have one the cup with a fire hydrant in net last season. Kept our first and Timmy.
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You're not wrong, but we would have overpaid in free agency for a goalie, and the cap would be much worse. Timmins was probably bound to be a part of any trade for any goalie as well.

And yeah, Seattle really hosed themselves with that Grubauer contract. Luckily the rest of the team seems to be figuring it out.
 
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katfude said:
You're not wrong, but we would have overpaid in free agency for a goalie, and the cap would be much worse. Timmins was probably bound to be a part of any trade for any goalie as well.

And yeah, Seattle really hosed themselves with that Grubauer contract. Luckily the rest of the team seems to be figuring it out.
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Im glad they didnt sign Grubauer I just wish they didnt give up a premium for a soon to be UFA cant make a blocker save goalie.
 
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Yeah pretty sure my opinion would not be the majority one. But I also wanted to say this, even though we disagree on these things, I have absolutely no problems with any of you that feel differently. Don't think of you differently, won't think of you differently and will continue to enjoy every single demented post.

Hope my opinion doesn't remove me from the same consideration on y'alls behalf.
 
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katfude said:
Because not wearing it when everyone else on your team is wearing it is a statement that causes arguments like this. If you have religious objections to homosexuality, don't be homosexual. But respect their right to exist and participate in your sport.
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I am actually enjoying our debate quite a bit but I probably will stop after this because I don’t want to cause issues with mods or derail the thread but I will leave on this;

Refusing to wear the jersey does not equal not respecting LGBTQ choices nor their right to exist and participate…. Like, in the slightest. This is what I’m flabbergasted about. How can people draw this conclusion so easily? He likely doesn’t agree with it and is likely using his religion as the reasoning but that in no way declares that he thinks those that are should have less rights. That is where society has lost it to me. We don’t all have to be each others best friends and cheer each other on. All he did was say no to wearing a jersey, not call out the community or their rights.

I’d like to have seen him wear it to show kids that it’s ok to be you but in a sense, that happened anyways because he literally was being him by standing by his views.
 
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