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Waste of 5 months?
2022-2023 Around the League Part Deux
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John Mandalorian
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The Panthers are 5-2 in their last 7 and are now kind of in a position that's similar to the Avs.
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Avs_19
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Ah, the old “religion doesn’t allow me to respect or show support for others” explanation.
What a jackass.
What a jackass.
dahrougem2
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Meh. Some people in life really value religion. I put my religion above everything in life as a Muslim, and I would do the exact same thing Provorov did.
Just because someone doesn't think the way you feel they should think doesn't make them a bad person.
Just because someone doesn't think the way you feel they should think doesn't make them a bad person.
LOFIN
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Yikes.... Sometimes you're reminded of who the shitheads really are.
It really is as simple as this.
It really is as simple as this.
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dahrougem2
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This is going to likely get political if we're not careful and I don't want mods to have to clean things up because I think this is a topic worth discussing given it involves what an NHL player just did.
I just think people shouldn't be so quick to rake Provorov over the proverbial coals because he doesn't think the way they want him to think. He didn't speak out against them, he hasn't publicly said anything against them. He chose not to wear a jersey in support of LGBTQ - he is more than right to do such a thing if he feels like it goes against his religion.
And LeBrun doesn't make any sense here. Respect =/= support. Provorov may very well respect everyone's right to be whoever they want to be. He just doesn't have to publicly show his support for it.
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Love reading these discussions as long as they are permitted. I learn a lot. However, I believe it will be best for all involved if I refrain from being an active member in this one.
LeBrun looking a bit foolish here, he's taking that first sentence and blowing it out of proportion for the entire segment. In the second sentence, Provorov says "he respects people's rights to choose whatever they want to be." Meaning, that anybody can be gay or choose to be gay, but he considers that lifestyle a sin and a violation of his personal rights to represent those colours. "Hiding behind religion" is a flawed argument because you (aka LeBrun) cannot choose what another person deems as sinful or not. In a way, he's respecting his religious doctrine more, but he's also respecting people's rights to choose whatever they want to be.
You lot are going overboard with this, worry more about laws or rules that repress people or a group instead of a rando blokes personal opinion who has no power. The last time I chequed, Ivan isn't funding laws for the persecution of gay people in the world. The funny thing is you lot are going after a person, when there are actual physical countries that don't allow same-sex marriage. Where is all the uproar here when the Japanese government declined same-sex marriage last year? Where is the uproar that half of Africa still doesn't allow any public display of homosexuality? It's the same issue concerning climate change, everyone goes nuts in Belgium, France, Canada, and UK when a pipeline gets implemented even when all these countries are pretty low in the pollution spectrum of the world, yet don't do anything to the hard-hitters of Russia, China, and India.
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katfude
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If he really "respects people's rights to choose whatever they want to be," then why not wear the jersey?
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Provorov is Russian where "homosexuality is disapproved of by most of the population":
en.wikipedia.org
LGBTQ rights in Russia - Wikipedia
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95snipes
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He's also been in North America since he was 13Provorov is Russian where "homosexuality is disapproved of by most of the population":
LGBTQ rights in Russia - Wikipedia
As a Christian I feel the same way. I certainly don't hate any LGBTQIA+ people.
I wouldn't wear one of the camo or blue line jerseys either, even though I respect people's decision to go into that profession.
katfude
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dahrougem2
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Since when did respect have to be support?
I respect anyone's right to be Christian, Hindu, Jewish, etc. I don't have to promote that.
I respect anyone's right to be vegan, vegetarian, pescetarian. I don't have to promote that.
People are asking Provorov to do something he isn't comfortable with religiously - why are we trying to force the guy to comply?
Sure! I wasn't meaning it to be a perfect comparison.
Just seems silly to say that he doesn't respect them because he won't wear the uniform. Respect != Endorse
Not everything is about hate.
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I hate that the world can’t realize that we don’t all have to agree with one another on everything. As a human being we should all have to show respect to one another and find a way to amicably get along but we shouldn’t have to agree with everything because someone tells us to. We are all unique people with unique viewpoints and thoughts, there is no way everyone is going to agree on everything….. and that is perfectly normal and perfectly ok.
katfude
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Pride is fundamentally about the right to exist. Again, if you really "respect people's rights to choose whatever they want to be," then why not wear the jersey? His words, not mine.
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