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Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

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niwotsblessing said:
Seemed to me he was still "thinking" rather than just playing on that giveaway. It looks to me like he is trying to play faster to fit into the Avs system rather than be in his game, which will evolve in time to mesh with the system.
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I think he was forcing something that wasn't there, also should be noted that Kadri was just casually sauntering up the boards there with his back completely turned, I didn't appreciate that at all.

Bednar said in the postgame he wanted Manson to get the puck on his stick there and chip it out rather than try and sneak a pass up-ice. I'm fairly confident that he and/or Pratt had a conversation with him.
 
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Gatorbait19 said:


Big LOL here at the cost to move Dadonov is now at a 1st+
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The way this is worded, it makes it sound like Vegas planed for post deadline deals in case the Ducks deal didn't go through, before the deadline.

If that's how Seravalli meant it, and it's true, then that would mean Vegas was aware of his NTC and dealt hm anyway. Wonder if that's the case, or Seravalli meant they've been planning since the deadline.
 
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Looking at the off-season, would Horvat be a legitimate target?

Colorado came close to trading for Horvat before moving Barrie for Kadri. I'd guess that there's probably still interest in him to fill the 2C spot, and the Avs do often get their guys even if they have to wait a while.

There were also reports this season of the Vancouver room being divided, with half the team behind Miller and the other half behind Horvat. With both UFA's in 2023 it seems like they'll have to make a decision on who to extend. Miller seems like the better player and fit so seems more natural that they'd choose him.

The price to acquire Horvat is probably going to be influenced at least in part by his willingness to extend with the team that acquires him. Avs would be in a very good position to extend him that given that: A) MacKinnon's extension most likely gets put in place this off-season giving them cost certainty going forward, and B) with $27m+ in capspace the Avs would have the cap flexibility to work around a Horvat 2023 extension.

Colorado are obviously pretty short on assets, but maybe a trade could be constructed around some combination of the 2023 1st, 2024 1st, Behrens, and/or Olausson. If Byram returns and Manson re-signs maybe moving Girard and using the return pieces in a Horvat trade would work.

Sidenote: If it wasn't clear already I'm leaning more towards Newhook looking like a winger than a center, hence the Horvat/2C suggestion, but whatever the case I'd prefer if replies centered around Horvat as a target rather than Newhook's suitability as a 2C (though I guess that will inevitably get discussed too). Anyways, curious to hear some thoughts on Horvat.
 
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Richard88 said:
Looking at the off-season, would Horvat be a legitimate target?

Colorado came close to trading for Horvat before moving Barrie for Kadri. I'd guess that there's probably still interest in him to fill the 2C spot, and the Avs do often get their guys even if they have to wait a while.

There were also reports this season of the Vancouver room being divided, with half the team behind Miller and the other half behind Horvat. With both UFA's in 2023 it seems like they'll have to make a decision on who to extend. Miller seems like the better player and fit so seems more natural that they'd choose him.

The price to acquire Horvat is probably going to be influenced at least in part by his willingness to extend with the team that acquires him. Avs would be in a very good position to extend him that given that: A) MacKinnon's extension most likely gets put in place this off-season giving them cost certainty going forward, and B) with $27m+ in capspace the Avs would have the cap flexibility to work around a Horvat 2023 extension.

Colorado are obviously pretty short on assets, but maybe a trade could be constructed around some combination of the 2023 1st, 2024 1st, Behrens, and/or Olausson. If Byram returns and Manson re-signs maybe moving Girard and using the return pieces in a Horvat trade would work.

Sidenote: If it wasn't clear already I'm leaning more towards Newhook looking like a winger than a center, hence the Horvat/2C suggestion, but whatever the case I'd prefer if replies centered around Horvat as a target rather than Newhook's suitability as a 2C (though I guess that will inevitably get discussed too). Anyways, curious to hear some thoughts on Horvat.
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I've been saying the same for a while. I think Miller and Horvat will definitely be off season targets. Probably at the draft, where as you mention Joe tried to get Horvat the last time, before he traded for Kadri.

Miller is the better player and should be the first target. I think he'll probably have a Kadri like contract year next season for the Avs if he's traded for.

Both guys would come at reasonable cap hits at $5.5M for Horvat and $5.25M for Miller for one more year. It would buy them another year with a good 2C to make a run for the Cup, before they have to find another alternative.

If they trade for Miller he'll probably be tough to resign like Kadri, and probably will want to wait until after his contract year. If that ends up being the case Miller would be the better short term acquisition, while Horvat might be the better long term addition because he could be cheaper to re-sign, and may be willing to get a contract done this off season before his contract year.

If Byram comes back and stays healthy the rest of the year, I can see Girard being involved, either going to Vancouver, or a third team to send assets to Vancouver. Back to Nashville perhaps? Fabbro and a 1st going to Vancouver? Fabbro is from BC and played his junior hockey with Penticton in the BCHL.
 
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Richard88 said:
Looking at the off-season, would Horvat be a legitimate target?

Colorado came close to trading for Horvat before moving Barrie for Kadri. I'd guess that there's probably still interest in him to fill the 2C spot, and the Avs do often get their guys even if they have to wait a while.

There were also reports this season of the Vancouver room being divided, with half the team behind Miller and the other half behind Horvat. With both UFA's in 2023 it seems like they'll have to make a decision on who to extend. Miller seems like the better player and fit so seems more natural that they'd choose him.

The price to acquire Horvat is probably going to be influenced at least in part by his willingness to extend with the team that acquires him. Avs would be in a very good position to extend him that given that: A) MacKinnon's extension most likely gets put in place this off-season giving them cost certainty going forward, and B) with $27m+ in capspace the Avs would have the cap flexibility to work around a Horvat 2023 extension.

Colorado are obviously pretty short on assets, but maybe a trade could be constructed around some combination of the 2023 1st, 2024 1st, Behrens, and/or Olausson. If Byram returns and Manson re-signs maybe moving Girard and using the return pieces in a Horvat trade would work.

Sidenote: If it wasn't clear already I'm leaning more towards Newhook looking like a winger than a center, hence the Horvat/2C suggestion, but whatever the case I'd prefer if replies centered around Horvat as a target rather than Newhook's suitability as a 2C (though I guess that will inevitably get discussed too). Anyways, curious to hear some thoughts on Horvat.
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I don't know....I mean the Atheltic's player card kinda has him as a top line center (see below) and he's making 5.5M but is a UFA at the end of the season. So what's the cost? Not really sure I would waste assets, unless they think they would want him in UFA as well.

I'm kina thinking if the Avs trade it would be for someone with term otherwise they'll go internally on center and spend on wingers. I really think Landy or Rants maybe/kinda should be the second line center next season...I worry about the Moose looking so pedestrian at times though so I'd lean towards Gabe. But I think we can get more goals/points per dollar with good wingers. Just spit balling. Don't beat me too harshly.

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expatriatedtexan said:
I don't know....I mean the Atheltic's player card kinda has him as a top line center (see below) and he's making 5.5M but is a UFA at the end of the season. So what's the cost? Not really sure I would waste assets, unless they think they would want him in UFA as well.

I'm kina thinking if the Avs trade it would be for someone with term otherwise they'll go internally on center and spend on wingers. I really think Landy or Rants maybe/kinda should be the second line center next season...I worry about the Moose looking so pedestrian at times though so I'd lean towards Gabe. But I think we can get more goals/points per dollar with good wingers. Just spit balling. Don't beat me too harshly.

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Rantanen as 2C makes a tonne of sense given the Avs poor center depth and comparatively much deeper forward depth.

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Newhook
Nichuskin ---- Rantanen --- (Olausson)

That looks like a group that could potentially work nicely if Newhook and Olausson can make the jumps up. At the very least there's a good blend of playmaking and shooters on each line. Rantanen probably wouldn't get to rip one-timers at 5v5 as often but his setup play would dovetail well with either Newhook or Olausson.
 
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Richard88 said:
Rantanen as 2C makes a tonne of sense given the Avs poor center depth and comparatively much deeper forward depth.

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Newhook
Nichuskin ---- Rantanen --- (Olausson)

That looks like a group that could potentially work nicely if Newhook and Olausson can make the jumps up. At the very least there's a good blend of playmaking and shooters on each line. Rantanen probably wouldn't get to rip one-timers at 5v5 as often but his setup play would dovetail well with either Newhook or Olausson.
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I think you're going to be right about that one. Sakic will go into next season with MacKinnon-Newhook-Compher-Sturm down the middle, but 10 games in it'll be Rantanen down the middle.
 
shadow1 said:
I think you're going to be right about that one. Sakic will go into next season with MacKinnon-Newhook-Compher-Sturm down the middle, but 10 games in it'll be Rantanen down the middle.
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I'd really like them to try Gabe as well....Being able to switch Rants and Landy depending on matchups would be sweet. Pretty sure both mesh with Nuke (really hoping he is re-signed) and then just hope the other winger is really complementary and adds something more consistently hopefully than Bura.
 
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IMO Bednar wants Mack happy and playing with Rants makes Mack happier than not playing with him.

For that reason alone I don't see Bednar splitting those 2.
 
Balthazar said:
IMO Bednar wants Mack happy and playing with Rants makes Mack happier than not playing with him.

For that reason alone I don't see Bednar splitting those 2.
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I know...I've been harping on breaking up the top line for 2+ years now because we were spread too thin with talent. Bednar has played with it some this season but mostly due to necessity. I really just hope that isn't a hill he's willing to die on because when MacK's contract kicks in there will be no money left for a second....just way, way too much on the #1 line.
 
Mark Scheifele would be one of my top targets this summer. If the Jets miss playoffs I think they'll trade him.


6M for the next two years and he'd be a really good 2C. His defensive game isn't very good at all but I think if you put Landy or Nuke next to him, they'd be fine.
 
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I think you're going to be right about that one. Sakic will go into next season with MacKinnon-Newhook-Compher-Sturm down the middle, but 10 games in it'll be Rantanen down the middle.
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Landeskog - MacKinnon -- Newhook
Nichuskin ---- Rantanen -- ~$5mx1yr RW**
Lehkonen ------ Sturm ------- Rookie FWD*
Cogliano ------ Maltsev ------ O'Connor

* One of Kaut/Olausson/Foudy/Ranta (insulated dedensively by Lehkonen and/or Sturm).

** One of JT Miller, Horvat, Larkin, Dadonov, Bertuzzi, Drouin, Zucker, Tatar, Nyquist, etc... (i.e Fwd UFA's in 2023).
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
Mark Scheifele would be one of my top targets this summer. If the Jets miss playoffs I think they'll trade him.


6M for the next two years and he'd be a really good 2C. His defensive game isn't very good at all but I think if you put Landy or Nuke next to him, they'd be fine.
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Are you willing to trade Byram for him? Because that's who they'd ask for presumably. Not gonna be cheap within our division.
 
Girard and 2023 1st for Brady tkachuk, what most likelywould need to be added from our side?

Lehkonen newhook tkachuk as a 2nd line could be annoying?
 
TruePowerSlave said:
Just convert Rantanen into a full-time C and the Avs have one of the best combos in the league. It's much easier and cheaper to find capable wingers than centers.
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Yup, it's a lot easier to find the Michael Buntings of the world than it is to find the... I don't even know if there is an equivalent. Ryan Hartman?
 
Sakic needs to wake back up and resign Kuemper. Have one less UFA to worry about. For what it cost to get him and how he has played, it should be a no brainer
 
milehigh11 said:
Sakic needs to wake back up and resign Kuemper. Have one less UFA to worry about. For what it cost to get him and how he has played, it should be a no brainer
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Probably wants to see how he does in the playoffs. But I agree with you, Kemps and Nuke should be resigned asap
 
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