Rumor: 2022-2022 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part 14: Sakic goes back to bed

[Peter Peckerwood]

Boy, it feels like a tough call on G. The injury was just a freak injury. Someone else shorter than G could have been falling and had been lower with the same result, if that makes sense. I won't pretend to know what Newhook would do at 2C, but he seems a ways off on faceoffs and strength on the puck. There are only a few scenarios where trading G may make sense, but I tend to doubt those scenarios present themselves, so Joe will
do it another way.
G proved himself in these playoffs, IMO. Sure, he's not going to smash people, but I didn't see him playing scared or bailing on plays. He was the usual G...good stick work, positioning and passing.
The cupboards aren't stocked on D anymore as AP said.

 

[kl35ha]

At some point the organization just need to bring people are from to farm/take risk on cheap declining or young players. TBL did it success so the learn Avs need to start learning now. Just stay competitive and make the playoffs. Anything can happens, hockey is involves luck in winning it all.

 

[flyfysher]

Could we offer sheet Oettinger and trade Girard for a 3rd pairing D-man and a first?

Roll with something crazy like:

Newhook (900K)-MacKinnon (6.3)-Rantanen (9.25)
Nichushkin (6)-Landeskog (7)-Lehkonen (4.5)
Ranta (925K)-Meyer (900K)-Compher (3.5)
Cogliano (1)-Helm (1)-O'Connor (1.05)

Toews (4.1)-Makar (9)
Byram (894K)-Manson (4.25)
Murray (2) - Johnson (6)
MacDermid (987K)

Oettinger (8)
Francouz (2)

That'd be crazy that the Avs could have MacKinnon, Rantanen, Nichushkin, Landeskog, Lehkonen, Makar and Oettinger locked in for the next handful of years. Premier C, RW, 2LW, 2C, 2RW, D and G under contract. MacKinnon's raise should be taken care of by EJ's expiring contract. With the cap rising, that should allow for a lot more to play with in either getting another second or third line forward.

Avs are definitely shy in terms of their draft selections and the prospect D corps.

 

[Perratrooper]

Could we offer sheet Oettinger and trade Girard for a 3rd pairing D-man and a first?

Roll with something crazy like:

Newhook (900K)-MacKinnon (6.3)-Rantanen (9.25)
Nichushkin (6)-Landeskog (7)-Lehkonen (4.5)
Ranta (925K)-Meyer (900K)-Compher (3.5)
Cogliano (1)-Helm (1)-O'Connor (1.05)

Toews (4.1)-Makar (9)
Byram (894K)-Manson (4.25)
Murray (2) - Johnson (6)
MacDermid (987K)

Oettinger (8)
Francouz (2)

That'd be crazy that the Avs could have MacKinnon, Rantanen, Nichushkin, Landeskog, Lehkonen, Makar and Oettinger locked in for the next handful of years. Premier C, RW, 2LW, 2C, 2RW, D and G under contract. MacKinnon's raise should be taken care of by EJ's expiring contract. With the cap rising, that should allow for a lot more to play with in either getting another second or third line forward.

Avs are definitely shy in terms of their draft selections and the prospect D corps.

We don’t have the draft capital to offer sheet Otter. We would need our two firsts, a second and third.

 

[flyfysher]

We don’t have the draft capital to offer sheet Otter. We would need our two firsts, a second and third.

I thought it's a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Could we offer sheet Oettinger and trade Girard for a 3rd pairing D-man and a first?

Roll with something crazy like:

Newhook (900K)-MacKinnon (6.3)-Rantanen (9.25)
Nichushkin (6)-Landeskog (7)-Lehkonen (4.5)
Ranta (925K)-Meyer (900K)-Compher (3.5)
Cogliano (1)-Helm (1)-O'Connor (1.05)

Toews (4.1)-Makar (9)
Byram (894K)-Manson (4.25)
Murray (2) - Johnson (6)
MacDermid (987K)

Oettinger (8)
Francouz (2)

That'd be crazy that the Avs could have MacKinnon, Rantanen, Nichushkin, Landeskog, Lehkonen, Makar and Oettinger locked in for the next handful of years. Premier C, RW, 2LW, 2C, 2RW, D and G under contract. MacKinnon's raise should be taken care of by EJ's expiring contract. With the cap rising, that should allow for a lot more to play with in either getting another second or third line forward.

Avs are definitely shy in terms of their draft selections and the prospect D corps.

So on top of literally just giving Girard away for nothing, you want Newhook on the 1st line, you want to overpay Lehkonen a bunch, send you want Sampo Ranta in the Top 9???


Hopefully the Avs do none of that.

 

[flyfysher]

So on top of literally just giving Girard away for nothing, you want Newhook on the 1st line, you want to overpay Lehkonen a bunch, send you want Sampo Ranta in the Top 9???


Hopefully the Avs do none of that.

Just proposing different combinations for discussion's sake. I don't subscribe to giving away Byram like you do.

BTW, it's Byram that's still healthy and playing in the POs. Not Girard.

And securing an elite goalie for years to come. You assert that's giving away Girard for nothing? Seriously?

 

[Balthazar]

Why the f*** would Dallas let Oettinger go under any circumstance? Why is his name even mentioned in this thread?

 

[Murzu]

Why the f*** would Dallas let Oettinger go under any circumstance? Why is his name even mentioned in this thread?

Because we fans want him and he has no option but to join the Avs for future considerations.

 

[flyfysher]

Why the f*** would Dallas let Oettinger go under any circumstance? Why is his name even mentioned in this thread?

$

 

[dahrougem2]

$

Dallas has 17.5M in cap space and will probably let Klingberg, Radulov, Namestnikov, Raffl, and Sekera all walk. They aren't pressed for cash.

 

[flyfysher]

Dallas has 17.5M in cap space and will probably let Klingberg, Radulov, Namestnikov, Raffl, and Sekera all walk. They aren't pressed for cash.

Yeah, one can always dream. The one thing missing from the Avs lineup is an elite goalie.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Just proposing different combinations for discussion's sake. I don't subscribe to giving away Byram like you do.

BTW, it's Byram that's still healthy and playing in the POs. Not Girard.

And securing an elite goalie for years to come. You assert that's giving away Girard for nothing? Seriously?

I mean ignoring the completely unrealistic and just silly scenario of adding Oettinger.... Trading Girard for a 1st is literally giving him away and has no bearing whatsoever on the subsequent Oettinger move.



And the 1st paragraph is just comical. Not one single person is in the "give away Byram" camp(Unlike you giving away Girard). Some of us recognize his value and the potential to fill the teams biggest need by far by using him. Not one person is advocating to dump him like you want to do with Girard.


Just complete silliness.

 

[UncleRisto]

Today in NHL 22, I started a franchise mode or whatever and traded Burakovsky for Sorokin and then Kuemper for Tuch. I think we should do that, honestly.

 

[Vakarte]

I think the Avs might not be as aggressive this off-season as in past off-seasons as we need to save future money to resign Mackinnon, Byram, and Newhook.

 

[flyfysher]

I mean ignoring the completely unrealistic and just silly scenario of adding Oettinger.... Trading Girard for a 1st is literally giving him away and has no bearing whatsoever on the subsequent Oettinger move.



And the 1st paragraph is just comical. Not one single person is in the "give away Byram" camp(Unlike you giving away Girard). Some of us recognize his value and the potential to fill the teams biggest need by far by using him. Not one person is advocating to dump him like you want to do with Girard.


Just complete silliness.

Oh come on Pierce. If we listened to some of your proposals then the Avs would be in deep shit. Girard being out and Byram playing a critical role in this POs proves that. Injuries can afflict anyone so if it’s cause to trade Byram then the same could be said to be true of Girard.

It may be more unrealistic to think we could get Oettinger given the Stars’ cap flexibility and I respect that criticism. But the Avs need to acquire an elite goalie maybe more so than a 2C. And you’re not giving away Girard if you’re re-allocating assets as I’m proposing.

I could understand if you critiqued it as not taking full value of Girard’s $5M contract which is fair in light of the cap ceiling remaining pretty static. But then some posters are questioning the wisdom of resigning Manson for over $4M and he’s still playing in the POs. Sense a theme going on here?

 

[dahrougem2]

If the Avs are looking for a goalie next season all of the following are pending UFAs:

Darcy Kuemper
Marc-Andre Fleury
Jack Campbell
Ville Husso

Then you've got teams where a goaltender might be available like Anaheim (Gibson), Boston (Ullmark), Los Angeles (Quick), New York Islanders (Varlamov), and Washinnton (Samsonov).

If the Avs need to acquire a goaltender, I think there will be plenty of guys to target. It's obviously not nearly as ideal as having your own guy locked up like a Spencer Knight, Jeremy Swayman, etc, but the Avs have put themselves in this position year after year dating all the way back to David Aebischer/Jose Theodore days. It isn't changing any time soon.

 

[Muffin]

If the Avs are looking for a goalie next season all of the following are pending UFAs:

Darcy Kuemper
Marc-Andre Fleury
Jack Campbell
Ville Husso

Then you've got teams where a goaltender might be available like Anaheim (Gibson), Boston (Ullmark), Los Angeles (Quick), New York Islanders (Varlamov), and Washinnton (Samsonov).

If the Avs need to acquire a goaltender, I think there will be plenty of guys to target. It's obviously not nearly as ideal as having your own guy locked up like a Spencer Knight, Jeremy Swayman, etc, but the Avs have put themselves in this position year after year dating all the way back to David Aebischer/Jose Theodore days. It isn't changing any time soon.

None of those options look appealing. If those are our only options I’d give Fleury a one year 1M contract. At least we’ll have money to improve the roster elsewhere.

 

[UncleRisto]

Either commit to DK or take a risk with Samsonov. Gibson probably works if he comes cheapish.

 

[dahrougem2]

None of those options look appealing. If those are our only options I’d give Fleury a one year 1M contract. At least we’ll have money to improve the roster elsewhere.

They're not supposed to be appealing. That's what happens when you ignore the goaltending position in the draft for so long. Just look at the number of goaltenders drafted since the Avalanche acquired Semyon Varlamov in 2011 until 2017.

2011:
John Gibson, 2nd Round
Jordan Binnington, 3rd Round
Laurent Brossoit, 6th Round
Anton Forsberg, 7th Round

2012:
Andrei Vasilevskiy, 1st Round
Anthony Stolarz, 2nd Round
Joonas Korpisalo, 3rd Round
Chris Driedger, 3rd Round
Matt Murray, 3rd Round
Frederik Andersen, 3rd Round
Connor Hellebuyck, 5th Round
Linus Ullmark, 6th Round

2013:
Tristan Jarry, 2nd Round
Juuse Saros, 4th Round
Cal Petersen, 5th Round

2014:
Thatcher Demko, 2nd Round
Alex Nedeljkovic, 2nd Round
Vitek Vanecek, 2nd Round
Elvis Merzlikins, 3rd Round
Ilya Sorokin, 3rd Round
Ville Husso, 4th Round
Kaapo Kahkonen, 4th Round
Igor Shestyorkin, 4th Round

2015:
Ilya Samsonov, 1st Round
Mackenzie Blackwood, 2nd Round

2016:
Carter Hart, 2nd Round

2017:
Jake Oettinger, 1st Round
Jeremy Swayman, 4th Round

7 total NHL drafts produced 28 legitimate NHL goaltenders. All it took was the Avs taking a chance on ONE of these guys. Instead, the Avs seem to prioritize big, overage European goalies with no upside at all.

 

[UncleRisto]

They're not supposed to be appealing. That's what happens when you ignore the goaltending position in the draft for so long. Just look at the number of goaltenders drafted since the Avalanche acquired Semyon Varlamov in 2011 until 2017.

2011:
John Gibson, 2nd Round
Jordan Binnington, 3rd Round
Laurent Brossoit, 6th Round
Anton Forsberg, 7th Round

2012:
Andrei Vasilevskiy, 1st Round
Anthony Stolarz, 2nd Round
Joonas Korpisalo, 3rd Round
Chris Driedger, 3rd Round
Matt Murray, 3rd Round
Frederik Andersen, 3rd Round
Connor Hellebuyck, 5th Round
Linus Ullmark, 6th Round

2013:
Tristan Jarry, 2nd Round
Juuse Saros, 4th Round
Cal Petersen, 5th Round

2014:
Thatcher Demko, 2nd Round
Alex Nedeljkovic, 2nd Round
Vitek Vanecek, 2nd Round
Elvis Merzlikins, 3rd Round
Ilya Sorokin, 3rd Round
Ville Husso, 4th Round
Kaapo Kahkonen, 4th Round
Igor Shestyorkin, 4th Round

2015:
Ilya Samsonov, 1st Round
Mackenzie Blackwood, 2nd Round

2016:
Carter Hart, 2nd Round

2017:
Jake Oettinger, 1st Round
Jeremy Swayman, 4th Round

7 total NHL drafts produced 28 legitimate NHL goaltenders. All it took was the Avs taking a chance on ONE of these guys. Instead, the Avs seem to prioritize big, overage European goalies with no upside at all.

Annunen came with starter upside, at least.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

They're not supposed to be appealing. That's what happens when you ignore the goaltending position in the draft for so long. Just look at the number of goaltenders drafted since the Avalanche acquired Semyon Varlamov in 2011 until 2017.

2011:
John Gibson, 2nd Round
Jordan Binnington, 3rd Round
Laurent Brossoit, 6th Round
Anton Forsberg, 7th Round

2012:
Andrei Vasilevskiy, 1st Round
Anthony Stolarz, 2nd Round
Joonas Korpisalo, 3rd Round
Chris Driedger, 3rd Round
Matt Murray, 3rd Round
Frederik Andersen, 3rd Round
Connor Hellebuyck, 5th Round
Linus Ullmark, 6th Round

2013:
Tristan Jarry, 2nd Round
Juuse Saros, 4th Round
Cal Petersen, 5th Round

2014:
Thatcher Demko, 2nd Round
Alex Nedeljkovic, 2nd Round
Vitek Vanecek, 2nd Round
Elvis Merzlikins, 3rd Round
Ilya Sorokin, 3rd Round
Ville Husso, 4th Round
Kaapo Kahkonen, 4th Round
Igor Shestyorkin, 4th Round

2015:
Ilya Samsonov, 1st Round
Mackenzie Blackwood, 2nd Round

2016:
Carter Hart, 2nd Round

2017:
Jake Oettinger, 1st Round
Jeremy Swayman, 4th Round

7 total NHL drafts produced 28 legitimate NHL goaltenders. All it took was the Avs taking a chance on ONE of these guys. Instead, the Avs seem to prioritize big, overage European goalies with no upside at all.

I think the big problem with the Avs as well is that they just aren't patient. How many of those goalies had some struggles along the way, or needed a bit more time at different levels to come around to the player they are now? For the Avs, if you don't immediately see success the team basically shoves you to one side and doesn't prioritize your development.

 

[flyfysher]

I think the big problem with the Avs as well is that they just aren't patient. How many of those goalies had some struggles along the way, or needed a bit more time at different levels to come around to the player they are now? For the Avs, if you don't immediately see success the team basically shoves you to one side and doesn't prioritize your development.

Hire @Gigantor The Goalie

 

[The Kingslayer]

You want guys like Oettinger, Vasi, Gibson, Knight, Shesterkin, Demko etc. you draft them and you dont draft Bleakley, Kaut and f***in Mitchell Heard.

 

[AvsWraith]

You want guys like Oettinger, Vasi, Gibson, Knight, Shesterkin, Demko etc. you draft them and you dont draft Bleakley, Kaut and f***in Mitchell Heard.

Hey, the jury's still out on Mitchell Heard! He could still turn it around.