Prospect Info: 2022 - 1st OA] Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) Part 4

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Pretty sure Slaf feel pretty good about is odds of being a NHL player, If he want to go to the WJC for 10 days, clearly he doesn’t see that it will be at the expense of being a NHL player…

Has it ever occurred to people that Juraj Slavkovsky and the Montreal Canadiens WANT him to play in the NHL this year? lol

Everyone so eager to send him everywhere...meanwhile the guys is progressing every game and establishing himself as an NHL player.

We should be rejoicing at this...instead, we want to send him so he can play against inferior competition just to reassure our own insecurities about him.

Wild stuff man.
 
Has it ever occurred to people that Juraj Slavkovsky and the Montreal Canadiens WANT him to play in the NHL this year? lol

Everyone so eager to send him everywhere...meanwhile the guys is progressing every game and establishing himself as an NHL player.

We should be rejoicing at this...instead, we want to send him so he can play against inferior competition just to reassure our own insecurities about him.

Wild stuff man.

It's due to the past failures in development from previous management. Lots of fans are worried it repeats. I said it before and the "development" card was used too much. We were not good in that area but fans doubled down on it.

Slaf's individual development challenge (from what I noticed and predicted) is adjusting to less time and space and a faster tempo game in the NHL. Can we just trust Gorton/Hughes/MSL and let them do their jobs? We all like our new management and trust them right? Why try to undermine their knowledge?
 
Has it ever occurred to people that Juraj Slavkovsky and the Montreal Canadiens WANT him to play in the NHL this year? lol

Everyone so eager to send him everywhere...meanwhile the guys is progressing every game and establishing himself as an NHL player.

We should be rejoicing at this...instead, we want to send him so he can play against inferior competition just to reassure our own insecurities about him.

Wild stuff man.
Such is the lot of fandom.
 
Has it ever occurred to people that Juraj Slavkovsky and the Montreal Canadiens WANT him to play in the NHL this year? lol

Everyone so eager to send him everywhere...meanwhile the guys is progressing every game and establishing himself as an NHL player.

We should be rejoicing at this...instead, we want to send him so he can play against inferior competition just to reassure our own insecurities about him.

Wild stuff man.

The problem is the same speech was used multiple times in the past with regards to teenagers making the team...including other management. Be it Latendresse, Galchenyuk, DLR, Mete, Kotkaniemi (literally every teen that made the Habs in my lifetime of following the team) we heard the same story.

It's very convenient to be able to flip the narrative when it doesn't work out to say it never would have worked out even if they were developed different. During the moment? Guess we rejoice.
 
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Galchenyuk needed to work on his skating and defensive work and was instead rushed to the NHL where he never improved. The club didn’t make the same mistake with Suzuki and it is paying dividends now. They didn’t have the chance to rush Caufield, thankfully, but the previous administration did their best to try to ruin him too.

Kotkaniemi and Mete were both rushed with no consideration of their development.

Romanov was clearly not rushed, no need to bring him up, not Lehkonen… but both are limited offensively.

Developing playmaking ability is not this organization’s strong suit — and as we saw with Galchenyuk, Kotkaniemi, and Mete every player rushed in has stagnated big time. Hopefully this doesn’t happen with Slaf.
Galchenyuk did not really stagnate. By age 22, he was scoring 1.0 ppg for 46 games straight until he got hurt and did not rehab properly for whatever reasons.

Caufield was playing in the NHL playoffs in his D+1, Suzuki never played a game in the AHL, nor Romanov who also came here at the end of his D+1. Mete and KK were rushed, KK would unlikely have started here had he been drafted 10th to 15th as he should have been.
 
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It's due to the past failures in development from previous management. Lots of fans are worried it repeats. I said it before and the "development" card was used too much. We were not good in that area but fans doubled down on it.

Slaf's individual development challenge (from what I noticed and predicted) is adjusting to less time and space and a faster tempo game in the NHL. Can we just trust Gorton/Hughes/MSL and let them do their jobs? We all like our new management and trust them right? Why try to undermine their knowledge?
Many fans say the same thing about new GM regimes across sports and 90% of them are left disappointed. I was in grad school when Buffalo started their rebuild with so much fanfare… my classmate was a die hard Sabres fan and he was so stoked. Blessed him.

At this point I find no reason to implicitly trust a rookie GM, rookie head coach, but I understand if other fans do so it’s not a big fight worth having. Just don’t give me (us) grief for not sharing in your optimism…. At least not until they give us certain evidence of their ability to develop high end playmaking talent.

If I were a Senators fan I would be out of line for doubting Dorion’s drafting and development whereas it feels to me that Habs fans are out of line trusting the Habs’ drafting and development.
 
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That’s why he showed Lindros, RNH, Daigle, MCDavid with 5 goals in 13 games or less? Slaf with 3 goals in 9 is doing great tbh, but it’s still too early to mean anything. Hopefully he moves up the lineup soon, I don’t like his deployment.
Yes, it's hard to know what sparked him to post that, but I wouldn't be surprised if he saw some people complain on twitter about Slaf's production in 9 games for a 1st overall.

Someone on Reddit did a better version with TOI and point per 60 minutes comparison. He didn't put in the zone deployment or their wingers during that time thought. It's not everyone who start on the 4th line.

Stamkos is the closest to Slaf in term of deployment at the start of their respective career.

One thing people don't often look at when comparing production is deployment. Plenty of cases of players getting good production via prime offensive minutes who end up useless because they can't adapt losing those once more is asked of them on the team.
 
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The problem is the same speech was used multiple times in the past with regards to teenagers making the team...including other management. Be it Latendresse, Galchenyuk, DLR, Mete, Kotkaniemi (literally every teen that made the Habs in my lifetime of following the team) we heard the same story.

It's very convenient to be able to flip the narrative when it doesn't work out to say it never would have worked out even if they were developed different. During the moment? Guess we rejoice.
Hey I get it, we're all jaded.

But you can't let that color common sense either.
 
Many fans say the same thing about new GM regimes across sports and 90% of them are left disappointed. I was in grad school when Buffalo started their rebuild with so much fanfare… my classmate was a die hard Sabres fan and he was so stoked. Blessed him.

At this point I find no reason to implicitly trust a rookie GM, rookie head coach, but I understand if other fans do so it’s not a big fight worth having. Just don’t give me (us) grief for not sharing in your optimism…. At least not until they give us certain evidence of their ability to develop high end playmaking talent.

If I were a Senators fan I would be out of line for doubting Doruin’s drafting and development whereas it feels to me that Habs fans are out of line trusting the Habs’ drafting and development.
It appears MSL passed the 'smell test'. :)
He is a rookie coach but the results are coming to fruition.
 
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Hey I get it, we're all jaded.

But you can't let that color common sense either.
I just think people are putting up double standards when defending management. When it's convenient to their argument, people acknowledge Montreal is a different market and has added pressure/social responsibility/no one wants to come/etc etc. Yet, from what I see, it seems to be ignored when we are talking development. Is it really just all a coincidence or maybe there's just something with young kids not being able to handle being in the NHL in a large market like Montreal?
 
I just think people are putting up double standards when defending management. When it's convenient to their argument, people acknowledge Montreal is a different market and has added pressure/social responsibility/no one wants to come/etc etc. Yet, from what I see, it seems to be ignored when we are talking development. Is it really just all a coincidence or maybe there's just something with young kids not being able to handle being in the NHL in a large market like Montreal?
That's the reason a psychological/personality assessment is a one of the input factors.
Slaf appears to be the best fit in this regard from top players of this year's draft.
 
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The problem is the same speech was used multiple times in the past with regards to teenagers making the team...including other management. Be it Latendresse, Galchenyuk, DLR, Mete, Kotkaniemi (literally every teen that made the Habs in my lifetime of following the team) we heard the same story.

It's very convenient to be able to flip the narrative when it doesn't work out to say it never would have worked out even if they were developed different. During the moment? Guess we rejoice.
Galchenyuk was not rushed. Until he blew (?) his rehab almost 5 years after he was drafted, he was progressing to the point where at 22, he was a regular center putting up 1.0 ppg.

I forgot about deLaRose, but again he was not even a first round pick, never mind a 1OA. They wanted to find an Eller replacement, since Lars was headed toward more expensive years, and they did not see Eller as a 2C.

Rather than say for sure that he was "rushed", I'm thinking more that had they simply used DLR in a Jake Evans role (4C) to start and let him advance to 3C with time, they yo-yo'd him, alternately expecting top offence in the AHL and top defence in the NHL.

Certainly deLaRose was not a success for the management and coaches at that time.
 
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Many fans say the same thing about new GM regimes across sports and 90% of them are left disappointed. I was in grad school when Buffalo started their rebuild with so much fanfare… my classmate was a die hard Sabres fan and he was so stoked. Blessed him.

At this point I find no reason to implicitly trust a rookie GM, rookie head coach, but I understand if other fans do so it’s not a big fight worth having. Just don’t give me (us) grief for not sharing in your optimism…. At least not until they give us certain evidence of their ability to develop high end playmaking talent.

If I were a Senators fan I would be out of line for doubting Doruin’s drafting and development whereas it feels to me that Habs fans are out of line trusting the Habs’ drafting and development.
I don't think its a matter of trust. All of us have the opportunity to observe this player and make our own assessment. Nothing that I have seen of Slafkovsky's play (other than one incident at the end of his shift in the closing minutes of one game where he failed to protect himself) would demonstrate that this young player is overwhelmed by the physicality of the game. He is competing physically along the boards and on the forecheck. He is keeping up with the play. He is making plays in the offensive zone. His shot is overpowering NHL level goalies. He's scoring. No one has to trust the judgement of the rookie GM. Use your own judgment to assess the stage of this young player's development. Until I see that Slafkovsky is overwhelmed by the speed, pace and physicality of the game (like some other highly drafted player) and he continues to produce, I see little benefit in having him play against lesser competition.
 
Lol again, wouldnt mind if he goes but..

Played WJC at 16, then a WC after he turned 17(no points but just making the team is impressive enough) and then next year played another WC at 18 (which took place after the cancelled WJC) in which he scored 3g 6a 9pts in 8gp and outproduced several NHL players..

So I can totally see how HuGo may view this WJC as a step back lol
Real curious what happens

(Also can someone tell hockeyDB to put up Slafs WC stats, I dont understand why they put everyone else's except his?)
 
Wow. The coaching staff that observes him every day must be noticing Slaf's slumping attitude and enthusiasm. Perhaps that is why the head coach called Slaf's progression "superb", just before they decided to keep him with this miserable bunch of losers beyond the 9 game trial. St-Louis was just trying to get the kid out of his depression, that's it!

:sarcasm:
We just heard a comment no long ago from Slaf saying he was sleeping even better since he got some PP time. Kid wants to play, he deserves to play more and with better linemates, problem we only have a top line and 3 third lines.
 
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I'm a fan of slaf but to say he's right after 9 nhl games is a bit premature, and a grown man bragging on Twitter is just cringy

But he was right about picking Slaf over Wright. He never said Slaf will be a future HOF. Doesn't matter how his career ends. He made a prediction about the draft and he was spot on.
 
Lol again, wouldnt mind if he goes but..

Played WJC at 16, then a WC after he turned 17(no points but just making the team is impressive enough) and then next year played another WC at 18 (which took place after the cancelled WJC) in which he scored 3g 6a 9pts in 8gp and outproduced several NHL players..

So I can totally see how HuGo may view this WJC as a step back lol
Real curious what happens

(Also can someone tell hockeyDB to put up Slafs WC stats, I dont understand why they put everyone else's except his?)
No doubt that Slafkovsky can learn in the NHL, given that he is and that MSL as a coach is more likely to be consistent in his treatment of young players than certain coaches.

But here are how I see the two choices.

Option 1: around 80 NHL games
Option 2: Around 70 NHL games and 8 WJC games.

I think that the latter case is likely better for development as he gets the best of both worlds. It's kind of like cross training. He'll get to try different things in a different environment and different context and different role. It should be good for his development.
 
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I don't think its a matter of trust. All of us have the opportunity to observe this player and make our own assessment. Nothing that I have seen of Slafkovsky's play (other than one incident at the end of his shift in the closing minutes of one game where he failed to protect himself) would demonstrate that this young player is overwhelmed by the physicality of the game. He is competing physically along the boards and on the forecheck. He is keeping up with the play. He is making plays in the offensive zone. His shot is overpowering NHL level goalies. He's scoring. No one has to trust the judgement of the rookie GM. Use your own judgment to assess the stage of this young player's development. Until I see that Slafkovsky is overwhelmed by the speed, pace and physicality of the game (like some other highly drafted player) and he continues to produce, I see little benefit in having him play against lesser competition.
My concern isn’t his physicality. It’s his vision and playmaking ability. I want him in a position to thrive and make plays. If he is merely just keeping up, he would look much like he looks these past nine games of his.

It appears MSL passed the 'smell test'. :)
He is a rookie coach but the results are coming to fruition.
I am a big big fan of MSL. A total breath of fresh air. Him and Caufield and Suzuki are the three most important figures right now.
 
Galchenyuk needed to work on his skating and defensive work and was instead rushed to the NHL where he never improved. The club didn’t make the same mistake with Suzuki and it is paying dividends now. They didn’t have the chance to rush Caufield, thankfully, but the previous administration did their best to try to ruin him too.

Kotkaniemi and Mete were both rushed with no consideration of their development.

Romanov was clearly not rushed, no need to bring him up, not Lehkonen… but both are limited offensively.

Developing playmaking ability is not this organization’s strong suit — and as we saw with Galchenyuk, Kotkaniemi, and Mete every player rushed in has stagnated big time. Hopefully this doesn’t happen with Slaf.

It's unrelated to Slafkovsky but I'd say that while Mete was rushed to the NHL, he probably wouldn't have had a career in the lbig league in the first place had he not been rushed, like Josh Brook. Mete had wonderful skating abilities and a mature defensive IQ but his lack of strength, shot and playmaking were dire and would have prevented him from making the league in the first place. He benefited from a barren LD depth, playing with Weber and the media's love of a Cindarella story featuring a good Ontario boy

Back to the more general rushing argument, I think we need to acknowledge there has been a paradigm shift in this team's perception of development since Hughes took over. Under the prior management, players were considered finished products once they put a skate in the NHL and the onus was on them to individually assess their areas of weakness, find professionals to help them mend them, and train. And let's get real, most teenagers and young adults are dumb, lack self-awareness and have a misplaced and unwarranted sense of pride.

Unless a prospect had a massive hockey-savvy support system, their development would stop once they reached the NHL. I don't think it's a coincidence that most Europeans prospects busted since their support system was away while Canadian prospects coming from rich and educated families (see Suzuki, Nick) thrived. I'll reiterate that this level of incompetence in the private sector for a billion-dollar corporation can only be found in professional sport management

The new direction does seem to believe players can be developed while in the NHL and have hired a lot of staff with that goal in mind. Making the team as developing player doesn't seem like the kiss of death it was before. It makes me a lot more confident the direction of this team since there is a lot of important rookies with the team right now with Slaf, Guhle, Harris and Xhekaj and probably Beck and 2023 1st pick next year
 
The problem is the same speech was used multiple times in the past with regards to teenagers making the team...including other management. Be it Latendresse, Galchenyuk, DLR, Mete, Kotkaniemi (literally every teen that made the Habs in my lifetime of following the team) we heard the same story.

It's very convenient to be able to flip the narrative when it doesn't work out to say it never would have worked out even if they were developed different. During the moment? Guess we rejoice.
Galchenyuk is not like the rest.

Tender and DLR were 2nd round picks, Mete was a 4th round pick, and KK was a huge reach at 3OA. He is currently 13th in ppg from his draft year.

Galchenyuk was on the third lne to start his career, moved up to the second line for two and a half years, then the first line. He got to 1.0 ppg over 46 games until badly injured almost 5 years after he was drafted.

Like I said, nothing like the others.
 
Galchenyuk is not like the rest.

Tender and DLR were 2nd round picks, Mete was a 4th round pick, and KK was a huge reach at 3OA. He is currently 13th in ppg from his draft year.

Galchenyuk was on the third lne to start his career, moved up to the second line for two and a half years, then the first line. He got to 1.0 ppg over 46 games until badly injured almost 5 years after he was drafted.

Like I said, nothing like the others.
Agreed with this. I would add that KK was rushed because he was seen as a huge need and thus huge pressure on his shoulders, which is really not the case with Slaf right now, so he can quietly develop without any big expectations for the season.
 
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But he was right about picking Slaf over Wright. He never said Slaf will be a future HOF. Doesn't matter how his career ends. He made a prediction about the draft and he was spot on.
He had the strength and wisdom to ignore the consensus and use his own judgment. For that small act of critical analysis, his tenure to date should be viewed positively.
 
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