I'm not cherry picking anything. If you've paid attention to the team you would know that ten years ago they won a playoff series. Since then they gone on a streak of nine years with only playoff series win.Oh, so when I choose a period of time to look back at I'm cherry picking, but when you do it's not. You could at least try to not to contradict yourself within two sentences.
My two proposed dates coincide with a major leaguewide event that changed the NHL and major trades that drastically changed the team, instead of picking an arbitrary cutoff to push a narrative. I'm sure had we won a series in 2013 you'd have pushed your window back a year based on nothing more.
So wait, now we should go back 16 years. Makes sense since that is the only way your comment about ''drastic changes'' will have any validity. The majority of their core and certainly at the forward position has been the same for the last decade with Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, and Simmonds/JVR. The only major forwards they have traded or added over that time period were Schenn and Hayes.
Even since 2012 we have had major changes to the core. In and out includes JVR, Hartnell, Umberger (who was meant to be a top 6 player), VLC, Jagr, Read, Schenn, Simmonds, Streit, Coburn, Carle, Timonen, Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim, Patrick, Hayes, Hart, Mason, Bob, Bryz, going forward perhaps Allison, York, Farabee, Lindblom. Let's not pretend the same consistent roster has led the way to failure the whole time. There has been steady, constant change with no difference in results because the whole problem starts with the people making these changes.
The reason I extend to the introduction of the Cap is because if the problem is the same management culture pushing the same poor failing ideas and chasing the same types of moves that fall flat, then you really need to go back as far as that culture has existed in the currently relevant environment.
You blame the players. This failed management method gathered those players. Why do you expect them to suddenly start doing better?
Yes, which is exactly why I keep saying that. Perhaps you aren't paying attention. They won a series in 2012 and then not again until 19-20 which also happened when AV and Fletcher were here and in large part to Fletcher adding Niskanen, Hayes, and Braun. So, since the start of the 2012-2013 season they have won one playoff series in nine years.
Incorrect.
Incorrect. Voracek and Couturier debuted for the Flyers in 2011 and have been here for 10 seasons. Giroux has also been here for that entire time. Simmonds was on the team for 7 of those 11 years, and JVR has been here JVR four of those 11 seasons. Other than Schenn and Hayes via trade or free agency, with only minor changes sprinkling in some youth such as Konecny who has now been on the big club for five years and Farabee for two years. The defense did transition from Timonen/Coburn to the Provorov's, Ghost's, Sanheim's of the world but again all homegrown talent with no major trades or FA signings for several years until Fletcher brought in Niskanen. Otherwise you are talking about the same core group of defenseman for about five years now.
Yes, thank you for helping show how much the roster has been changing. It proves my point that the roster isn't the problem, but rather the people building it and the people responsible for hiring the builders.
Exactly what are these culture changes that were made that failed miserably over the last decade other than Hextall's draft picks in general being good and not great, and his half assed rebuild where he held onto assets he should have moved. Had he traded Simmons when he still had value for example perhaps they have one less piece they need to add. I''m dying to hear about all of these major culture change they have made over the last decade though considering they've barely made any significant trades or FA signings to shake up the core group. Hextall's plan was to draft a bunch of players and for most of them to work out and the team and fans are still paying the price for that.
I never mentioned anything about culture changes. Are you reading? The whole problem is that, overall, there aren't culture changes. Clarke's management tree stands as a rotten edifice in this organization, an Yggdrasil of shit, and they perpetually hire in their image to maintain their failed loser values. That's why nothing changes in result despite GM turnover. The replacements are all in the same mold and they pursue the same sorts of moves overall.
The f*** are you even talking about, LMAO. Fletcher has had TWO offseasons as GM and AV has had TWO season as the coach. Giroux, Couturier, Voracek, etc have been here a decade. Provorov, Ghost, TK, etc for about half a decade. LMAO, the only playoff series they did win over the last 9 years was with AV as the coach and in part to Fletcher acquiring Hayes and Niskanen. For the love of god think before you post.
AV and Fletcher have extensive records and known tendencies that end in failure. They are exhibiting all those tendencies here. They have not learned from past mistakes or changed.
AV did his utmost to lose to Montreal. Hart saved him. That's the story of AV's career; suck ass at your job and hope the goalie drags you forth.
They have ultimately failed to produce results as the core group of forwards on this team. It would be unfair to put all of the blame on them which I certainly will not do. However, at some point you have to look back on a decade of failure and consider that perhaps the constants are part of the problem and if nothing else trying something different might be worth some consideration. Either that or you can just be content with having a wheel that continues to spin in mud and never get out. Definition of insanity, doing the dame thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
What more can they do? They need support. Shit management gave them shit support. This management culture stands unchanged. The shit team building continues. It will result in failure going forward. They did everything they reasonably could. Blaming them for not doing more is childish.
That is yet to be determined. If you don't think adding a top pairing defenseman in general would help this team than there is no hope for having a decent conversation with you. Either way, sticking with the same group of core players that have been here for a decade, and the same home grown talent that have been heavily relied upon for the last five years or so is already proven to have been a failure. Nobody is saying purge the entire team, but significant changes are clearly in order to anyone with half a brain.
This top pairing defenseman is not good enough to play up to a large cap hit nor can he play well enough to compensate for assets sent in payment for him. He'd need to be a true 1D to have a shot of that, and Jones isn't that. He isn't a solution. He's more of what we already have, and he's not going to do enough (especially in a garbage stretch system that plays to all his weaknesses) to compensate for that. He is a poor fit here. We are not a Jones away from contention.
They've had several GM's and coaches over the last decade. They have continued to change those areas up far more than the players and so your solution is to change that again. Wow.
Coaches and GMs from the same insular circle of failure, all hiring and signing in their failed image. No true outside blood. No true change. Everyone tied to Clarke. A big old circle of management incest ending in an inbred, anemic team. Purge them all and get new life. Clarke goes, his protege takes over. They bring their own back, raised in their image, and he takes over. He is pushed out for not sucking up to the country club enough, and then another Clarke-tied slob with mediocre unoriginal ideas is brought in to pathetic nothings. The cycle continues forever.
Completely unclear. If anything it's the opposite since GM's and coaches have been changed multiple times and it hasn't changed a damn thing. They even had a coach over the last decade who everyone thought was terrible who went on to win a stanley cup with another team.
Again, the changes at GM mean nothing if all the GMs are hired by the same people to meet the same values. And then all the coaching choices are rife with cronyism over merit. No shock they all suck.
You mean the same group that brought the only playoff series win and exciting season the team has had over the last nine years, interesting logic.
I mean the group dragged to the playoff series win despite their terrible performance by some of the people you're trying to blame.
Flat out incorrect on the bolded comment. They have made more changes to the coaches/coaching staff and with the GM than they have the core group of players.
Debatable to being with, but again...the changes don't bring any change. Different faces pushing the same ideas and values. The Flyers are Dan Snyder's Washington Football Team prior to scandal and Rivera. Lots of faces, lots of turnover, no change because of the management culture doing the hiring and hiring to meet shit values.
Furthermore it's honestly laughable that you think a new coach and GM would have any significant impact on the team as it is currently constructed. They aren't skilled or fast enough, they also lack toughness, their defense is majorly flawed, they have too many young players that they continually have counted on to step up, and now Giroux, Voracek, and JVR are hitting their mid30's. Scotty Bowman in his prime couldn't turn this roster into a cup contender.
I'm not talking about a new coach and GM. I'm talking about purging Scott, Lombardi, Clarke, Barber, and Holmgren and building fully new from the top down. Until that cycle up top is shattered, nothing will change. Nothing will matter.