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I see a playmaker with hands . What the stars should be looking for .
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MrHeiskanen
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Othmann is OK, but I feel like we need to pursue more offensive minded forward with the first overall selection.
Let's get that 200 ft. player in the second round, or a defender in the second round.
Let's get that 200 ft. player in the second round, or a defender in the second round.
why is that? timeline for a pick of that area is what, at least 3ish years to the big club? yeah we need that offensive minded forward with the team now, but 3/4 years from now this roster will likely look vastly different.
i'd rather they go BPA regardless of position. except goalie.. goalies are effing voodoo.
The Draft Prospects site has him middling in Hockey IQ, but he is big, and sort of well rounded. Doesn't sound that exciting to me, but then again, I haven't seen him play.
That is what is hard about reading all these scouting reports. They all put in a negative aspect, even the top 2-3 guys. Plus, we don't know that all 300 prospects are evaluated by the same reviewers/scouts in any given publication. Thus one guy might be a bit more negative than another about some aspect. Which is why teams probably go off their own lists which vary from CSS somewhat.
Goalies are voodoo? Maybe all prospects are (especially this year)
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Ceulemans is good. Smart under pressure, good agility, knows when to shift from offense to defense and vice versa, and can play into the middle of the ice. Still, gets overly aggressive in all three zones. Seems to attack plays before they begin, which is good, but I've seen him get punished for doing so. Against NHL passers, that's a habit he'll need to stop or work on. I'm usually not a fan of these jack of all trades defensemen, but if he can top out as a Travis Sanheim-lite, I don't think it'll be a wasted pick. Still, I'm not sure if Stanislav Svozil (the best Czechs this high are usually good Czechs) or Carson Lambos don't have higher (if not significantly) upside. And if it's pure defense Dallas wants, why not Jake Martin? Again, good player, but nothing to really stand out from the second tier he's in.
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Yea in 3/4 years we have no Seguin, no Benn, no Radulov, no Pavelski, etc.
We need offensive minded forwards and prospects.
sure but we'll need defense and goaltending at that point as well. i just don't understand why you'd prioritize an offensive minded forward bc you think we'll need that most in 3/4 years. the roster churn is massive.. no way to accurately predict where we'll be due to trades, free agents, which prospects make it, injuries, etc.
i always lean towards BPA.. if you end up with a glut at one position, you can deal from a position of strength to balance your roster. but there's no way to accurately predict what the roster will look like 3 years from now.
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If a good defenseman falls to us than maybe you take him but the stars need to be looking for high skill, high hockey iq . Doesn’t look like we will have any lottery picks in the near future so they have to hit on these mid round picks .
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Sillinger is an excellent offensive player. Very nonchalant defensively and a mediocre skater, but that's the most pure offense you could conceivably find at 14th overall. Aside from him, I'm a little underwhelmed by the offensive packages of a lot of these guys. Good 2-way talent at both F and D though.
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For those of you with a subscription:
Top 151 Prospects for 2021 NHL Draft: Owen Power leads Corey Pronman's final rankings
Top 151 Prospects for 2021 NHL Draft: Owen Power leads Corey Pronman's final rankings
Is Justin Robidas Stephane’s kid?
Edit: wow, he is. Never thought I’d feel old at 28. Go get him in the 2nd.
Edit: wow, he is. Never thought I’d feel old at 28. Go get him in the 2nd.
This is why it's so hard to evaluate. Look at the sub-ratings for the clear no. 1 prospect this year:
TIER 1: Projected NHL All-Star
- Owen Power, LHD, Michigan-Big Ten
Skating: Average
Puck Skills: Below-average
Hockey Sense: Above-average
Compete: Average
Knowing Jim Nill's history, and especially since this draft is weird anyway, I think I will read myself to sleep tonight by perusing the no. 30-40 prospects, from which I expect our first rounder will come. Pronman actually has Stankoven at 30, much loer than some other draft "experts", another factor that will drive us all nuts this draft.
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I can see why you might think that at first blush, but you should read how he defines his criteria:
"Attributes are graded on a scale using the terms poor (lowest), below average, average, above average, high end, and elite (highest). Average is meant as a compliment, not as a criticism. Saying an attribute is average means it projects as NHL average. Shots are only graded if they are notably good or poor."
Considering Power is 6'6", his having NHL average skating is actually really good. He also mentions that he has excellent traits in his skating in the profile. He is an underwhelming 1OA though, no doubt about that. He mentions in his intro that the top end is lacking and that the draft overall is pretty average after the top end.
I know scouting is really subjective, but adding 'compete' as a main criteria is weird. I can't remember what he had before, physicality I think? Either way, compete feels extremely subjective to me. What does above average compete look like? Radulov going nuts chasing the puck and getting an offensive zone penalty? It's a weird measure, but I'll definitely read his evaluations to see what he has to say. I wonder if Pronman still lurks HF, he used to post quite a bit back in the day.
Honestly if Jim Nill really wanted to piss us off, he'd just draft another goalie with our pick.
"Attributes are graded on a scale using the terms poor (lowest), below average, average, above average, high end, and elite (highest). Average is meant as a compliment, not as a criticism. Saying an attribute is average means it projects as NHL average. Shots are only graded if they are notably good or poor."
Considering Power is 6'6", his having NHL average skating is actually really good. He also mentions that he has excellent traits in his skating in the profile. He is an underwhelming 1OA though, no doubt about that. He mentions in his intro that the top end is lacking and that the draft overall is pretty average after the top end.
I know scouting is really subjective, but adding 'compete' as a main criteria is weird. I can't remember what he had before, physicality I think? Either way, compete feels extremely subjective to me. What does above average compete look like? Radulov going nuts chasing the puck and getting an offensive zone penalty? It's a weird measure, but I'll definitely read his evaluations to see what he has to say. I wonder if Pronman still lurks HF, he used to post quite a bit back in the day.
Honestly if Jim Nill really wanted to piss us off, he'd just draft another goalie with our pick.
I understand what you are saying, and looked at what I think are more than an average amount of "average" rankings this year. Perhaps to be expected, and yes, probably Power is a less than sure bet to be a NHL superstar, compared to some years. Time will tell.
I doubt Nill drafts a goalie, but as I was looking through a few scouting reports, including Pronman, I did see more than a few prospects whose highest attribute was "compete" and I mentally made note that they were likely Nil draft picks, which would probably lead to howls here. While Bourque has some skills, as does Harley, we sure need more. We can get compete in later rounds. This team needs more skill players to hit the next level, especially with Rads and Pavs done after this year, and perhaps Benn and Segs effectively done, or less effective. Hey, even Klinger is on the downside clock, so if they go a skilled D as clear BPA, I won't be too upset, even though I tend to like forwards because you need 6 or more skilled ones vs. 4 D.
I doubt Nill drafts a goalie, but as I was looking through a few scouting reports, including Pronman, I did see more than a few prospects whose highest attribute was "compete" and I mentally made note that they were likely Nil draft picks, which would probably lead to howls here. While Bourque has some skills, as does Harley, we sure need more. We can get compete in later rounds. This team needs more skill players to hit the next level, especially with Rads and Pavs done after this year, and perhaps Benn and Segs effectively done, or less effective. Hey, even Klinger is on the downside clock, so if they go a skilled D as clear BPA, I won't be too upset, even though I tend to like forwards because you need 6 or more skilled ones vs. 4 D.
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I could be reading too much into this too, but 151 prospects is a lot for a Pronman ranking. He's mentioned in the past he only does prospects he think has NHL potential, and if you look at last year's ranking, it's 122 prospects. My thought process with this means that he is hedging because he isn't as comfortable with his ranking this year as compared to years' past. Understandable because of what a shitshow this year was for talent evaluators.
Also I miss his numbering system. There's not a ton of nuance to 'average', at least if I know that Power's skating is a 55 and not a 50, that it's on the better side of average or something. I agree with the complaint about the attributes and the rankings though, you can't tell by looking at his summarized attributes why someone would go 20 spots above someone else. He needs to find a better way to differentiate players, I noticed a lot of the comments feel the same way. Anyone else people like looking at for prospect evaluation? Might need to look at a few lists this year.
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Starting to think coronato should be our guy if he’s still around at 14.
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After watching about 50 YouTube videos of draft eligible players though , I’d have to say the most skilled forward in the draft is 140 pound Alexander kisakov. Might be worth reaching for . He’s like , dare I say , datsyuk skilled. but 140 pounds lol
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Would be a good choice with our second round pick. McKenzie has him in the early 30s so he definitely has some potential. Just needs to beef up
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