Prospect Info: 2021 NHL Draft Thread

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Its not relevant to Dallas as we wont be anywhere near him, but Edvinsson would be the player id want from this draft if i was GM.

Id take him pick 1.

Yeah, he's not making it past Columbus.

 

[David Castillo]

So Scott Wheeler has Dallas taking Cossa in the latest mock draft with a surprising amount of possible insider info.

Jake Oettinger’s one of the better young goalies in the sport, but Colton Point hasn’t panned out like anyone hoped, Anton Khudobin’s 35, and they’ve clearly got a desire to bolster the position or they wouldn’t have both drafted Remi Poirier and signed Adam Scheel. Though I’d bet on Wallstedt being gone, Cossa could be available and makes sense here. Oettinger remains the only young goalie option they can feel confident about and Cossa would give them a second. If they don’t go goalie, though, I suspect they take a forward before a defenceman here. I like Mavrik Bourque better than the next guy, but Thomas Harley’s a better top D prospect than he is as a top forward prospect. So maybe they consider a swing on someone like Lysell (that would align with some of the chances they took on players others wouldn’t in last year’s draft, including Antonio Stranges and Evgeni Oksentyuk) to add some upside to their pool up front. But Cossa feels like the more likely fit for this slot based on the conversations I’ve had.

If Dallas passes up on Lysell, Cuelemans, Lambos - or someone like Johnson, or Sillinger (not as big a fan of as others, but the potential's obviously there) fall into their lap - and they go goalie, I'm gonna tear up a dozen of my least expensive Magic cards, and arrange them in the order required for a demonic ritual to put a hex on these fools. Goalie insurance is fine, but it's not like Oettinger's going anywhere. Maybe listening to Valley all those years is giving Nill PTSD.

 

[serp]

Idk that drafting Poirier in the 6th round or signing a college free agent means anything for this years draft . Taking a one goalie late is idk normal ? Not like a 6th round pick is expected to make an NHL roster . Scheel is just the replacement for Bow who also was a free agent signing . I don't see how either means the Stars will use a high pick on a goalie this draft because Cossa won't be there beyond round 2 at the latest.

No way they're using the #15 pick on a goalie this year. If he's there at #47 i guess they could.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

No shot that take a goalie round 1.

 

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Good lord, if they really drafted a goalie with that 1st I'd be permanently switching my allegiance to Seattle.

 

[Satan]

I'll tell you guys one thing for free- hockey media folk certainly have no clue about Jake Oettinger.

 

[Satan]

The inside info is interesting from Wheeler. Not sure if I'm buying it though since it makes absolutely zero sense

 

[Zapp]

So Scott Wheeler has Dallas taking Cossa in the latest mock draft with a surprising amount of possible insider info.



If Dallas passes up on Lysell, Cuelemans, Lambos - or someone like Johnson, or Sillinger (not as big a fan of as others, but the potential's obviously there) fall into their lap - and they go goalie, I'm gonna tear up a dozen of my least expensive Magic cards, and arrange them in the order required for a demonic ritual to put a hex on these fools. Goalie insurance is fine, but it's not like Oettinger's going anywhere. Maybe listening to Valley all those years is giving Nill PTSD.

mono black players I swear

 

[David Castillo]

mono black players I swear

Everybody knows red is the color of poor nerds (although with Ragavan going for $90 a pop, maybe that's changing). I'll see myself out now.

 

[serp]

Unless Wheeler has info that Bishop is completely done for i don't know why he doesn't mention him in that piece at all because of Bishop is back next season Khudobin should not be on the Stars roster at all next year.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

Idk that drafting Poirier in the 6th round or signing a college free agent means anything for this years draft . Taking a one goalie late is idk normal ? Not like a 6th round pick is expected to make an NHL roster . Scheel is just the replacement for Bow who also was a free agent signing . I don't see how either means the Stars will use a high pick on a goalie this draft because Cossa won't be there beyond round 2 at the latest.

No way they're using the #15 pick on a goalie this year. If he's there at #47 i guess they could.

Yeah, no kidding. They have often taken goalies in mid to later rounds to "stock the system" which they need with Bow gone and Otter perhaps at the NHL level. I doubt they take one higher than third unless a first round rank guy drops to second round.

After reading the article on Defending Big D, I sense that the Stars are also short on defenseman in the system, and that gave me the feeling that they may very well want to go D for the first round pick this year, depending, of course, on who magically falls to them.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Unless Wheeler has info that Bishop is completely done for i don't know why he doesn't mention him in that piece at all because of Bishop is back next season Khudobin should not be on the Stars roster at all next year.

It's because he has no idea what he is talking about.

 

[Zapp]

Everybody knows red is the color of poor nerds (although with Ragavan going for $90 a pop, maybe that's changing). I'll see myself out now.

Yeah I played EDH exclusively with Urza and Yawgmoth decks back in the day and that was frowned upon lol

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

Even with Bishop healthy, with their 1A and 1B goalies in their 30's, the Stars do have to have another goaltender ready in a few years at best anyway to pair with Otter. We thought that might be Bow or another goalie in the pool, but that doesn't seem likely now, so the potential backup goalie spot needs to be addressed with new blood.

 

[Kcb12345]

Please not a goalie

 

[Kcb12345]

Even with Bishop healthy, with their 1A and 1B goalies in their 30's, the Stars do have to have another goaltender ready in a few years at best anyway to pair with Otter. We thought that might be Bow or another goalie in the pool, but that doesn't seem likely now, so the potential backup goalie spot needs to be addressed with new blood.

Isn't that what you sign some random backup for though? I don't like the idea of drafting our backup goalie in the first round. Maybe the Stars for some reason aren't high on Oettinger anymore and view Cossa as a better goalie? Or maybe they want to have him in case Oettinger doesn't pan out or 2 chances are better than none at a future starter? I'm not buying it but it makes me nervous that he seems pretty confident about this

 

[serp]

Isn't that what you sign some random backup for though? I don't like the idea of drafting our backup goalie in the first round. Maybe the Stars for some reason aren't high on Oettinger anymore and view Cossa as a better goalie? Or maybe they want to have him in case Oettinger doesn't pan out or 2 chances are better than none at a future starter? I'm not buying it but it makes me nervous that he seems pretty confident about this

Also goalie prospect no matter where you get even when they pan out the best way possible need at least 2-3 years to be ready for NHL games. Any goalie picked this year won't be ready for NHL action until Bishop and Khudobins deals both expired.

I have no problem with them picking a goalie with a later round pick because thats just a good idea to do regularly. With the first rounder this year ? Nah makes no sense. You really need have empty cupboard on goalies and the Stars right now actually don't have that. They did in 2017 when they picked Oettinger but right now the team is fine on goalie prospects.

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

I meant to imply that they might take a G at second or third round, for reasons Serp mentions. Given it's the most important position, I don't think they want to gamble at all on Otter alone. With 2 solid seasons of 1A and 1B, let's not forget how an average G performance this year sunk us, and all those years of Kari and Niemi wasting some great offensive efforts.

To me, BPA in the first round is a given, since they really need both scoring forwards and top d, not to mention what we hope is depth goalie. A bit later you can add "position" into the factors you use to select a player.

 

[BfantZ]

Idk that drafting Poirier in the 6th round or signing a college free agent means anything for this years draft . Taking a one goalie late is idk normal ? Not like a 6th round pick is expected to make an NHL roster . Scheel is just the replacement for Bow who also was a free agent signing . I don't see how either means the Stars will use a high pick on a goalie this draft because Cossa won't be there beyond round 2 at the latest.

No way they're using the #15 pick on a goalie this year. If he's there at #47 i guess they could.

Scheel wasn’t signed to just a replacement for bow .They are expecting him to be an nhl goalie .There we’re a lot of teams after him .

 

[BfantZ]

Let me ask you guy this though . If the only elite/franchise player left in the draft is a goalie , would you not take him ? Think of the trade value not the guys position .

 

[serp]

Let me ask you guy this though . If the only elite/franchise player left in the draft is a goalie , would you not take him ? Think of the trade value not the guys position .

We did that once with Jack Campbell. Didn't work out so great.

Not to mention #15 is just too high for Cossa .

If they take him at #47 i wouldn't care because that'd be good value.

 

[BfantZ]

We did that once with Jack Campbell. Didn't work out so great.

Not to mention #15 is just too high for Cossa .

If they take him at #47 i wouldn't care because that'd be good value.

I’m not saying they should take him either but I’m not saying they shouldn’t . I’m saying if the stars scouting staff were to draft cossa at 15 after already drafting ottenger in the first round , than they would firmly believe he is a franchise goalie and much better than ottenger .

 

[Dallasman]

We did that once with Jack Campbell. Didn't work out so great.

Not to mention #15 is just too high for Cossa .

If they take him at #47 i wouldn't care because that'd be good value.

Not to be a dick, but are you a scout? Every where I've read he's been a 1st round goalie. I put more stock into that than I do reading someone on a message board saying that.

Not try to discredit you but just throwing it out there...

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

Not to be a dick, but are you a scout? Every where I've read he's been a 1st round goalie. I put more stock into that than I do reading someone on a message board saying that.

Not try to discredit you but just throwing it out there...

There is a certain contingent here that is certain that drafting goalies in the first round is crazy. I think there are some stats to back that up, but still, if they felt as high on your guy as they were on Otter or earlier regimes were on Jack Campbell, they would probably take him.

 

[Ghost of Kyiv]

The depth of different positions in the draft isn't really a talking point in the NHL like it is in the NFL, but I wonder if teams still look at that. Since Scott Wheeler started this conversation I'll quote him...

My draft board this year is composed of 64 forwards, 34 defencemen and two goalies, which represents the largest share of defencemen in my top 100 in the four years that my rankings have been released publicly at The Athletic

If you wanted to take a goalie in the 2nd or 3rd round this year, you might be reaching for a guy. Say if a team wants to come away from a draft with a goalie and a defenseman, their best course of action might be taking a goalie in round 1 and D in rounds 2 or 3. Walking away with Jesper Wallstedt in the first and Olen Zellweger in the 2nd might be seen as preferable to Corson Ceulemans in the first and Benjamin Gaudreau in the 2nd.

Now, none of that is me saying Dallas should take a goalie at 14. Much to the contrary, I think that would be quite dumb. But, I wonder if an NHL team might care about it this year.