Red Sox/MLB 2021 Hot Stove III - Jackie Bradley Jr. Signs w/ Brewers

[McGarnagle]

Would allow them to push Barnes back to the 7th with Ottavino in the 8th and the bullpen would immediately become a strength. They have about what, 4m ish of room left?

Don't sleep on that Japanese guy becoming the closer. If the scouting reports are to be believed, we got a gem there.

 

[Gator Mike]

Very interesting- Mets must have big time liked Lee

They did.



So, the Royals offer Cordero, Lee, and two PTBNL for Benintendi. The Sox like the value, but maybe they like Jarren Duran and Gilberto Jimenez more than Khalil Lee. Pretty creative to then flip Lee to a team that likes him and has a bigger need.

 

[Gator Mike]

Rosenthal might have been aiming too high...

 

[CDJ]

Don't sleep on that Japanese guy becoming the closer. If the scouting reports are to be believed, we got a gem there.

they say his command isn’t all that great- gotta love mid-high 90’s with an above average splitter though

wouldn’t shock me to see them operate the pen with no true closer. Have Darwinzon and Barnes as the firemen/relief aces and a rotation of Ottavino/Brasier/Sawamura as the 9th inning option in a lower leverage save situation

 

[CDJ]

Rosenthal might have been aiming too high...

Good slider, he’s historically been tough on righties. Had reverse platoon splits in his SSS this year though. Can fill a variety of roles. Will probably be cheap. Bloom has familiarity with him from Tampa as Cotillo mentions

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

 

[N o o d l e s]

Good slider, he’s historically been tough on righties. Had reverse platoon splits in his SSS this year though. Can fill a variety of roles. Will probably be cheap. Bloom has familiarity with him from Tampa as Cotillo mentions

Isn't he that one that has that ridiculous cartoon slider?

 

[CDJ]

Isn't he that one that has that ridiculous cartoon slider?

big ol frisbee

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

That slider is ridiculous.

 

[Chevalier du Clavier]

 

[McGarnagle]

This pretty much leaves Jackie with no choice other than to crawl back to Chaim and take less years and money than he wanted, doesn't it?

Cleveland doesn't seem to have the money, the Cardinals insist on starting their young prospects, and the Mets went for Pillar, so he doesn't have any landing spots other than Boston unless he's willing to bend his demands greatly.

 

[CDJ]

The Sox will have to go over the threshold to bring JBJ back for a year but they could easily dip back under at the deadline by selling if they’re not a World Series contender

I’d say there’s like a 10% chance he’s coming back. I think they like Duran a lot and it wouldn’t shock me if he’s the every day CF by years end. They’re probably pretty comfortable rolling with what they have- a mix and match of Verdugo/ Hernandez/ Gonzalez/ Renfroe/ Cordero should be able to cover everything for the time being

 

[LouJersey]

Deal doesn't make sense to me

No DH in the NL this year, means Dom Smith everyday LF and Alonso everyday 1B.

Means Nimmo, Pillar and Almora as your CFs. Who is the odd man out? Guessing Almora will be spot duty now and not part of platoon.

 

[DKH]

Red Sox may be 6th in payroll at $204.1 but they are SECOND in CB tax behind Dodgers with only $5.9 of space

but yah they can sign JBJ and get under by mid year

they are set up for 2022-23 when Casas, Downs, Duran, 4th pick etc should join Verdugo, Devers, maybe Bogearts and have a payroll in the upper 30’s with close to 200 M available in 23

Dan ODwod went over this as what Bloom is doing and adding lots of plus arms AND/OR lower level high prospects

he alluded to as did Dan Plesac that the pandemic as horrible as it is, for the Red Sox has allowed them to go hardcore with this plan because paying customers showing their displeasure and empty seats will not be a problem

O’Dowd said the Sox will be better this year and interesting but geared towards being strong in 2023 where the prospects and ability to sign significant FA should both be in play for team

The Yankees navigated a similar mess a few years back actually successfully per O’Dowd winning between 84-87 games and even made playoffs once but Yankees fans accustomed to 95+ wins and favorites stayed away with high ticket prices hence the visuals we watched with all those cushy high priced empty seats behind home plate

also Benintendi would be a FA per O’Dowd If not extended in 2 years and they will receive 5 prospects/young players with the final 3 likely lower level and well thought of the two known worth the chance based on plus tools and arms

to bad Dan Shaughnessy can’t comprehend the mess they were in and there isn’t a magic wand to wave - however, they did win the 2018 WS.

They could sign Bradley but they ain’t winning anything this year so it will be interesting to see what happens - maybe they are 500 instead of 78-84

 

[N o o d l e s]

Someone found an interesting match with the Mets over on another chat board - Mark Vientos. High school teammates with Casas and has probably been replaced in the system with Baty.

 

[Gator Mike]

Exactly, @DKH.

Every move Chaim Bloom has made has had one eye on building towards 2023. If everything goes to plan, that's the point where they should have young players that are ready to contribute, improved farm system depth, and a great deal of payroll flexibility.

 

[LSCII]

Exactly, @DKH.

Every move Chaim Bloom has made has had one eye on building towards 2023. If everything goes to plan, that's the point where they should have young players that are ready to contribute, improved farm system depth, and a great deal of payroll flexibility.

Oh thank God they're only going to suck for 4-5 years during this reset because they f***ed up their own financial situation. I mean shit, as a fan, how can I not care about billionaires having to pay penalty money because of their own blatant mismanagement? If the on the field product has to suck for that time period, so be it since my focus as a fan is for John Henry and co to make as much profit as possible, while fielding a sub part product yet charging top dollar prices.

Are you for f***ing real? Seriously dude?

 

[KrejciMVP]

Oh thank God they're only going to suck for 4-5 years during this reset because they f***ed up their own financial situation. I mean shit, as a fan, how can I not care about billionaires having to pay penalty money because of their own blatant mismanagement? If the on the field product has to suck for that time period, so be it since my focus as a fan is for John Henry and co to make as much profit as possible, while fielding a sub part product yet charging top dollar prices.

Are you for f***ing real? Seriously dude?

I can't see thre current vision lasting. If the Red Sox come out of the gates like last year there will be calls to fire Bloom from every direction it will be overwhelming. In this division its compete with the Yankees or find someone that will.

 

[LSCII]

I can't see thre current vision lasting. If the Red Sox come out of the gates like last year there will be calls to fire Bloom from every direction it will be overwhelming. In this division its compete with the Yankees or find someone that will.

As it should be. This isn't a small market team. They have more money than 99% of the rest of the teams in this league, so they don't get to cry poor because of their own shitty mistakes and then field a pretender for years to fix it. Figure out a way to compete now, or sell the team. This small market approach with a small market GM is going to blow up in their faces. Epstein found a way to compete every year while rebuilding the farm system, but now we're doing it like Tampa? Nah, f*** that noise. Besides, they had a core of internally developed players, but f***ed that up because they had to overpay Price, Hanley, and Panda and it cost them Mookie, so I don't give a flying f*** if they have to go into the penalty.

 

[DKH]

Oh thank God they're only going to suck for 4-5 years during this reset because they f***ed up their own financial situation. I mean shit, as a fan, how can I not care about billionaires having to pay penalty money because of their own blatant mismanagement? If the on the field product has to suck for that time period, so be it since my focus as a fan is for John Henry and co to make as much profit as possible, while fielding a sub part product yet charging top dollar prices.

Are you for f***ing real? Seriously dude?

4 WS

went to all parade celebrations

all with John Henry owner

1967-2003 I went to 0.0 parades

Watching Hot Stove now

love what Bloom is doing

They suck 1 year 2020

They will be interesting to me this season looking forward to this

you are to young Lonnie but before Claude the Bruins had Dave Lewis

Bruins since 2007 have prorated 90 points only team in hockey other then Pittsburgh who drafted
1 Fleury
1 Crosby
2 malkin
2 Staal
5 Whitney

In Chiam I Trust

 

[LSCII]

4 WS

went to all parade celebrations

all with John Henry owner

1967-2003 I went to 0.0 parades

Watching Hot Stove now

love what Bloom is doing

We've already covered this. 4 titles and this ownership group is still hated by literally most fans. That says a lot since this team was once owned by an unmitigated racist, yet even the Yawkeys aren't nearly as universally disliked as these guys are.

 

[DKH]

We've already covered this. 4 titles and this ownership group is still hated by literally most fans. That says a lot since this team was once owned by an unmitigated racist, yet even the Yawkeys aren't nearly as universally disliked as these guys are.

I care what I care

I’m good with ownership and direction

what Joe Fan on radio or Twitter thinks doesn’t concern me because I’m skeptical Joe Fan has a clue

 

[KrejciMVP]

As it should be. This isn't a small market team. They have more money than 99% of the rest of the teams in this league, so they don't get to cry poor because of their own shitty mistakes and then field a pretender for years to fix it. Figure out a way to compete now, or sell the team. This small market approach with a small market GM is going to blow up in their faces. Epstein found a way to compete every year while rebuilding the farm system, but now we're doing it like Tampa? Nah, f*** that noise. Besides, they had a core of internally developed players, but f***ed that up because they had to overpay Price, Hanley, and Panda and it cost them Mookie, so I don't give a flying f*** if they have to go into the penalty.

Hopefully they start off well so the narrative becomes winning again. They have some potential gamebreakers like Devers so they shouldn't waste that.

I also dont care about John Henry paying a luxury tax. He also owns a soccer team. Big deal. Maybe he's not focused on the Sox as much bc of that

 

[LSCII]

I care what I care

I’m good with ownership and direction

what Joe Fan on radio or Twitter thinks doesn’t concern me because I’m skeptical Joe Fan has a clue

Do you think the Yankees organization and it's fans would accept a multi year rebuild because they f***ed up on who to spend on in free agency?

Recent history for the team, the last decade:

2020: Last place
2019: 3rd place, playoff DNQ
2018: 1st place, World Series win
2017: 1st place, lost in opening round of playoffs
2016: 1st place, lost in opening round of playoffs
2015: Last place
2014: Last place
2013: 1st place, World Series win
2012: Last place
2011: 3rd place, playoff DNQ
2010: 3rd place, playoff DNQ

So yes, they've won it twice in the last 10 years and it's been tremendous, but they're more likely to not make the playoffs than they are to get in, and that's pretty bad given the team's resources. 2 WS wins, 7 playoff DNQ, and 2 first round knock outs to small market teams. And now they're talking about being a shitty team until 2023? If they were to go every other year where they loaded up and went for it and then were in last place the following season, it would be one thing. But to make the playoffs only 4 times in the last 11 seasons is brutal.

To compare, the Yankees have only missed the playoffs 3 times in that same span and the Dodgers have also only missed 3 times. That's your competition.

 

[DKH]

Hopefully they start off well so the narrative becomes winning again. They have some potential gamebreakers like Devers so they shouldn't waste that.

The narrative should be take the time needed and do it right

You just gave me insight you did not watch Sox last year

Devers was a disgrace - reported out of shape, led league I believe in errors, struck out consistently at such an alarming rate of average fastballs it was discussed on MLB network

yah he’s a game breaker worth going off the plan

come on