Prospect Info: 2021 Developmental Camp

[Levitate]

Barron seems to have a strong shot and that's something I never really felt Boyle had, so that might lend itself to a little more goal scoring

 

[Edge]

He was very good last year, but IMO not as dominant as the PPG scoring would indicate. I mean, same for Ronning or Gettinger or Brodzinski or whoever. His stats seemed to give the imression that he was dominant night-in, night-out, which he wasn't. Last year was weird; it was a third of a regular season playing against just two teams and watered-down competition as lots of guys had signed up in Europe. Everything in the AHL last year was...off.

I don't know what the big argument is with Barron but if he does become a player in the mold of Brian Boyle, I don't know why that would be a bad thing. Boyle had been a premier bottom-six center and PKer for a decade-plus. If you get that out of Barron, that's a huge win. I've always thought he was more likely to stick at wing, but the Rangers seem committed to him playing center, so that's that, for now anyway. I think he's maybe a future 20-20 guy if it breaks right for him, but more "safely" a 10-15 goal, 25 point guy who plays a good 200-foot game.

I think Boyle would be just fine.

Obviously the higher end of hopes would be perhaps a third line pivot with guys like (but not limited to) Blais, Goodrow, Cuylle, etc.

Barron has the potential to be a very nice support player. Nothing wrong with that at all.

 

[JohnC]

Barron seems to have a strong shot and that's something I never really felt Boyle had, so that might lend itself to a little more goal scoring

He Had a deceptively good shot, just didn’t have the foot speed to create the space needed to use it, if I’m remembering right.

This goal always stood out in my mind because of the shot and because of walking noted best defenseman ever Drew Doughty:

 

[GAGLine]

I could see him getting a taste before going back to the OHL as a "reward" for a good camp, but he's competing for a fourth line spot so it'd almost certainly just be for a cup of coffee and not a season long thing

I doubt it. We have too many bodies as is. With the OHL not playing at all last year, let Cuylle go back and start with the rest of his team.

His stats were better than that but the reason people think he has this untapped offensive upside is because he is a Rangers prospect. Very few people would think of him that way if he was in a different organization.

And yet the reason many don't believe he has untapped offensive upside is because of where he was drafted. If he had been drafted in the 1st round and put up the same stats, way more people would be on board.

 

[nyr2k2]

Cuylle had some nice moments in the AHL last year but otherwise looked like a fringe player. Unless he's taken some massive steps forward I can't imagine him being ready for the NHL.

Dev camp is a great experience for all the guys. Standing out doesn't necessarily mean anything. Like standing out at Traverse. Obviously you want to see guys stand out against their peers, but doing so doesn't predict any amount of future success.

I like Cuylle but he's a few years away, IMO.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Barron was a winger in college, why are we assuming he has this untapped offensive upside, at center, no less?

He’s a nice prospect, but if I’m remembering the reviews from our resident Cornell watcher, @coz21, correctly, his upside is Brian Boyle.

Barron was a center his whole life until he got to college, he was willing and able to switch to wing to accommodate their roster.

 

[cwede]

Cuylle had some nice moments in the AHL last year but otherwise looked like a fringe player. Unless he's taken some massive steps forward I can't imagine him being ready for the NHL.
Dev camp is a great experience for all the guys. Standing out doesn't necessarily mean anything. Like standing out at Traverse. Obviously you want to see guys stand out against their peers, but doing so doesn't predict any amount of future success.
I like Cuylle but he's a few years away, IMO.

Agreed, best case for this season may be he goes back to OHL team and, building upon his draft, AHL, dev camp and training experiences, assumes a leadership role on/off ice and establishes himself as productive top-6.
The join Pack in Spring or Fall'22 and builds toward the same.

 

[egelband]

Hot take: Will Cuylle makes the team out of camp and plays at least a handful of games in New York the first couple weeks.

Do they still have the 9 Games rule? If so, does it apply, even?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Do they still have the 9 Games rule? If so, does it apply, even?

Yes. Rangers have 2 players under contract who are slide eligible:

Will Cuylle (1 year)
Brennan Othmann (2 years)

 

[eco's bones]

I think Cuylle did just fine in the AHL last year.

I do expect he’ll be back in the OHL this year but he should transition next year just fine.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think Cuylle did just fine in the AHL last year.

He was. But unfortunately he misses AHL eligibility by 2 games.

 

[eco's bones]

He was. But unfortunately he misses AHL eligibility by 2 games.

Yeah I know and that’s okay.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah I know and that’s okay.

I'm actually glad we have a reason to watch OHL games this upcoming season.

Liiga
SM-Sarja
SHL
Allsvenskan
J20 Nationell
OHL
WHL
USHL
HockeyEast
NCHC
ECAC
BIG10

That's a nice spread

 

[IDvsEGO]

He was. But unfortunately he misses AHL eligibility by 2 games.

I thought they said anyone who played in the Ahl last year can go back?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I thought they said anyone who played in the Ahl last year can go back?

Players who played 20 games, Cuylle only played 18.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think Cuylle did just fine in the AHL last year.

I do expect he’ll be back in the OHL this year but he should transition next year just fine.

I think he did just fine insofar as he was an 18-year-old who was looking to have a bounce-back season in junior. I mean he showed good flashes and battled hard, although as I'm sure he'd tell you, it was clearly an adjustment for a physical player like him going from OHL to AHL and he struggled at times.

His season was very encouraging, but in context. Like, if there was a scenario where the OHL played last year at the same time as the AHL, and he could have played on whichever the team felt was appropriate, I'm fairly certain based on his development that he would have been back in the OHL.

 

[egelband]

Players who played 20 games, Cuylle only played 18.

I wonder if this is something that could be appealed. I don’t know if they’d even wish to have Cuylle in the AHL but 20 games seems fairly arbitrary (as opposed to a number that was ‘tooth and nail’ collectively bargained) and possibly - if there’s good reason - something that could be ‘discussed’, so to speak, on a case by case basis.

 

[RGY]

There is zero reason to rush Cuylle, Othmann, etc. We have quality forward depth for the foreseeable future. And to me that is at bare minimum the next 2 years. Let these kids develop properly at an appropriate pace. We rushed Howden, Lias, and Chytil, and it really didn’t do them any good. Let them marinate.

 

[Barnaby]

I wonder if this is something that could be appealed. I don’t know if they’d even wish to have Cuylle in the AHL but 20 games seems fairly arbitrary (as opposed to a number that was ‘tooth and nail’ collectively bargained) and possibly - if there’s good reason - something that could be ‘discussed’, so to speak, on a case by case basis.

I doubt it. If you put a line in the sand then start making exceptions then where is the line? Cuylle is likely a few years away anyway. I'd gladly let him have hopefully a really strong Junior year then do a year or two in the AHL. The AHL time he's had should only benefit him going forward. He knows what it's like to be a pro, plus when he does go back to the AHL he'll know that he can play there and have some familiarity going in. To me, a big guy like Cuylle who plays more of a mans game shouldn't be rushed.

 

[eco's bones]

I think he did just fine insofar as he was an 18-year-old who was looking to have a bounce-back season in junior. I mean he showed good flashes and battled hard, although as I'm sure he'd tell you, it was clearly an adjustment for a physical player like him going from OHL to AHL and he struggled at times.

His season was very encouraging, but in context. Like, if there was a scenario where the OHL played last year at the same time as the AHL, and he could have played on whichever the team felt was appropriate, I'm fairly certain based on his development that he would have been back in the OHL.

Let’s put it this way—Cuylle now knows he can compete against pros. That’s off his checklist.

 

[Barnaby]

There is zero reason to rush Cuylle, Othmann, etc. We have quality forward depth for the foreseeable future. And to me that is at bare minimum the next 2 years. Let these kids develop properly at an appropriate pace. We rushed Howden, Lias, and Chytil, and it really didn’t do them any good. Let them marinate.

Agreed. It's likely better for the development of these guys. Also, long term, you're spreading out some ELC's to hopefully aid you with the cap in the future. With that said, if capable, I'd love to see them get some preseason games - would be fun to watch and maybe a nice incentive for these kids.

 

[2014nyr]

There is zero reason to rush Cuylle, Othmann, etc. We have quality forward depth for the foreseeable future. And to me that is at bare minimum the next 2 years. Let these kids develop properly at an appropriate pace. We rushed Howden, Lias, and Chytil, and it really didn’t do them any good. Let them marinate.

i definitely agree with this philosophy...even moreso with european kids - just so much to adjust to beyond adapting to nhl hockey at 18-19 to expect almost any to be successful. wait til 20-21 in nearly all cases there. wouldn't take a much different approach with na prospects, but would feel more comfortable throwing them in earlier if they look ready/demonstrate maturity just given its a much simpler acclimation off ice for them.

with cuylle / othmann, this will be an interesting year. both played men last year which should give them a huge leg up given the pace they've seen - would be nice to see them with dominant statistical seasons and could help them a lot long term...just hope they don't pick up any bad habits if its too easy, though there's certainly worse problems to have. personally would still prefer cuylle esp get another season back in juniors...don't expect an offensive force to develop but he was until fairly recently pretty highly regarded that way too. a season at the top of the food chain where he can handle the puck a lot could at least. othmann i'd be fine if he spent 2 more years in the o.

on the other side interested to see what a kid like vierling can do who didn't play at all. don't care how much he may have prepared, no way to replicate game speed / timing. a year off at that age is brutal. tbh have very low expectations there but hoping thats wildly incorrect

 

[egelband]

I doubt it. If you put a line in the sand then start making exceptions then where is the line? Cuylle is likely a few years away anyway. I'd gladly let him have hopefully a really strong Junior year then do a year or two in the AHL. The AHL time he's had should only benefit him going forward. He knows what it's like to be a pro, plus when he does go back to the AHL he'll know that he can play there and have some familiarity going in. To me, a big guy like Cuylle who plays more of a mans game shouldn't be rushed.

The ahl exemption is just a one off due to the lost Covid season. I don’t think this anyone is going to lose their mind either way over it.
Of course, if it’s determined that going back to the CHL is better, it’a a moot point. But if the team really does want him in the AHL I am guessing the Rangers might be able to finagle that.

 

[bleedblue94]

sorry guys, when does main camp start?

 

[Levitate]

sorry guys, when does main camp start?

23rd