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JohnC said:
Barron was a winger in college that put up roughly .5 PPG. Why are we assuming he has this untapped offensive upside (at center, no less)?

He’s a nice prospect, but if I’m remembering the reviews from our resident Cornell watcher, @coz21, correctly, his upside is Brian Boyle.
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His sophomore and Junior seasons were 66 points in 65 games played and he played a winger role where he took faceoffs as well as took some time at center.

I've compared him to someone like Barclay Goodrow in the past, or maybe Boone Jenner.
 
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JohnC said:
Barron was a winger in college that put up roughly .5 PPG. Why are we assuming he has this untapped offensive upside (at center, no less)?

He’s a nice prospect, but if I’m remembering the reviews from our resident Cornell watcher, @coz21, correctly, his upside is Brian Boyle.
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Barron was a point per game player his last two years and played at a .86 PPG clip over his career.
 
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Barron stands a decent chance of going back to the AHL where he can focus on more shifts as a center.

As for long-term hopes, if you're the Rangers you aim for maybe a sort-of Kevin Hayes-lite type of outcome.

In an ideal world, someone like Chytil becomes their second line center, with Barron on the third line, and potentially someone like Richards on the fourth.

Richards is probably an early candidate to get a look on the fourth line. Barron, like Schneider, Jones, and Robertson, is possibly/probably heading down to Hartford get a ton of ice time to start the year.
 
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JohnC said:
Barron was a winger in college that put up roughly .5 PPG. Why are we assuming he has this untapped offensive upside (at center, no less)?

He’s a nice prospect, but if I’m remembering the reviews from our resident Cornell watcher, @coz21, correctly, his upside is Brian Boyle.
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His stats were better than that but the reason people think he has this untapped offensive upside is because he is a Rangers prospect. Very few people would think of him that way if he was in a different organization.
 
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JohnC said:
Barron was a winger in college that put up roughly .5 PPG. Why are we assuming he has this untapped offensive upside (at center, no less)?

He’s a nice prospect, but if I’m remembering the reviews from our resident Cornell watcher, @coz21, correctly, his upside is Brian Boyle.
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NCAA offense and NHL offense come from entirely different skill sets. Plenty of larger bodied players who are talented skaters had less offensive success in the NCAA than the NHL.

But Barron scored plenty anyways.

I don't think people expect him to be a 2nd line player. But 25-30 points from the third line is not unrealistic at all.
 
Barron is and will never be a line driver. He could be a great compliment piece to our wingers though.

Most people have those 'compliment pieces' at wing and have their 'drivers' at Center. We are the opposite.

He can become a valuable middle6 center with how the roster is currently constructed. Down the road, what if he plays with Lafreniere or Panarin?
 
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JohnC said:
Barron was a winger in college that put up roughly .5 PPG. Why are we assuming he has this untapped offensive upside (at center, no less)?

He’s a nice prospect, but if I’m remembering the reviews from our resident Cornell watcher, @coz21, correctly, his upside is Brian Boyle.
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Because he put up PPG as the 1C for an AHL team? Because he looked good in his NHL stint? I watched Barron every season at Cornell, his upside is not Brian Boyle.

And 84 points in 98 games is not .5 PPG, the only time he was around .5 PPG was in his rookie season, where he had 18 points in 33 games, which still isn’t even .5 PPG.

You’re trying to appear smarter than you are by talking out of your ass and making up his PPG and his upside as if anyone isn’t going to check you on it
 
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Lays said:
Because he put up PPG as the 1C for an AHL team? Because he looked good in his NHL stint? I watched Barron every season at Cornell, his upside is not Brian Boyle.

And 84 points in 98 games is not .5 PPG, the only time he was around .5 PPG was in his rookie season, where he had 18 points in 33 games, which still isn’t even .5 PPG.
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Meh. He put up points in a weird Covid season, but I distinctly remember our Hartford watchers saying he was good but the points were painting the wrong picture.

Lays said:
You’re trying to appear smarter than you are by talking out of your ass and making up his PPG and his upside as if anyone isn’t going to check you on it
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Lol. I conceded I made a mistake when I calculated his PPG, so bite me ;)

Hopefully the guy that I trust actually watched all of his games at Cornell pops in for some insight. I'll gladly concede the point if he has a different take other than his consistent stance that Barron's upside is Brian Boyle/poor man's Kevin Hayes.
 
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JohnC said:
Meh. He put up points in a weird Covid season, but I distinctly remember our Hartford watchers saying he was good but the points were painting the wrong picture.
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The way its gone for our forward prospects, I'm satisfied with a guy scoring better than he's maybe playing overall. Bottom line is that leading an AHL team in scoring as a rookie is exactly what you want to see if you're measuring a guy's likelihood of making the final jump one day.

Also, I thought he showed well in the NHL for his brief moment. Was a better skater than I expected and he was dialed in, hitting guys, going to the net. He seems to have a real clear picture of the kind of role he has to have to be an NHLer.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
The way its gone for our forward prospects, I'm satisfied with a guy scoring better than he's maybe playing overall. Bottom line is that leading an AHL team in scoring as a rookie is exactly what you want to see if you're measuring a guy's likelihood of making the final jump one day.

Also, I thought he showed well in the NHL for his brief moment. Was a better skater than I expected and he was dialed in, hitting guys, going to the net. He seems to have a real clear picture of the kind of role he has to have to be an NHLer.
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For sure. But if he becomes a 25-30 point player that plays well defensively, is that not effectively Brian Boyle in his prime? Not that there's anything wrong with Brian Boyle in his prime. I was his biggest fan (bigger fan than @Thirty One).
 
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JohnC said:
Meh. He put up points in a weird Covid season, but I distinctly remember our Hartford watchers saying he was good but the points were painting the wrong picture.


Lol. I conceded I made a mistake when I calculated his PPG, so bite me ;)

Hopefully the guy that I trust actually watched all of his games at Cornell pops in for some insight. I'll gladly concede the point if he has a different take other than his consistent stance that Barron's upside is Brian Boyle/poor man's Kevin Hayes.
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And even if his upside is a poor man's Kevin Hayes that would be great for a 6th round pick.
 
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He was very good last year, but IMO not as dominant as the PPG scoring would indicate. I mean, same for Ronning or Gettinger or Brodzinski or whoever. His stats seemed to give the imression that he was dominant night-in, night-out, which he wasn't. Last year was weird; it was a third of a regular season playing against just two teams and watered-down competition as lots of guys had signed up in Europe. Everything in the AHL last year was...off.

I don't know what the big argument is with Barron but if he does become a player in the mold of Brian Boyle, I don't know why that would be a bad thing. Boyle had been a premier bottom-six center and PKer for a decade-plus. If you get that out of Barron, that's a huge win. I've always thought he was more likely to stick at wing, but the Rangers seem committed to him playing center, so that's that, for now anyway. I think he's maybe a future 20-20 guy if it breaks right for him, but more "safely" a 10-15 goal, 25 point guy who plays a good 200-foot game.
 
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He was very good last year, but IMO not as dominant as the PPG scoring would indicate. I mean, same for Ronning or Gettinger or Brodzinski or whoever. Last year was weird; it was a third of a regular season playing against just two teams and watered-down competition as lots of guys had signed up in Europe. Everything in the AHL last year was...off.

I don't know what the big argument is with Barron but if he does become a player in the mold of Brian Boyle, I don't know why that would be a bad thing. Boyle had been a premier bottom-six center and PKer for a decade-plus. If you get that out of Barron, that's a huge win. I've always thought he was more likely to stick at wing, but the Rangers seem committed to him playing center, so that's that, for now anyway. I think he's maybe a future 20-20 guy if it breaks right for him, but more "safely" a 10-15 goal, 25 point guy who plays a good 200-foot game.
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To be clear, this is where I'm at with him. Maybe my ignore list has me missing half of the conversation about his perceived offensive upside :dunno:

Brian Boyle was the best and I'd personally love a player like him on this roster.
 
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JohnC said:
Meh. He put up points in a weird Covid season, but I distinctly remember our Hartford watchers saying he was good but the points were painting the wrong picture.


Lol. I conceded I made a mistake when I calculated his PPG, so bite me ;)

Hopefully the guy that I trust actually watched all of his games at Cornell pops in for some insight. I'll gladly concede the point if he has a different take other than his consistent stance that Barron's upside is Brian Boyle/poor man's Kevin Hayes.
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Barron is not really Brian Boyle. Boyle became a defensive specialist. A guy you put out there to PK, as a defensive match up and to win a big draw.

Barron has better offensive zone instincts and his shot is very very good. He scores at every level. The thing that's most exciting about him is that he's not done improving. He's developed more and more every year. He was not terribly effective in his first handful of HFD games but steadily improved to a place where he was by far the most impactful forward on the team. We don't need him to develop his offense really. His shot will get him 10-20 goals a year. It's the rest of his game that just needs rounding out.

He is a beast along the wall. He has a great shot. And has fine enough vision.

What he needs to keep working on, is his first few steps, playing a more aggressive game and working in his own zone. There are likely tons of smaller details he has to continue to build on. But the big thing for him is about getting to the right places on the ice quickly enough at the NHL. If he can do that, and find himself playing with linemates who are good at grinding/possessing the puck - his #s will end up surprising people. He's got one of the best shots in the org in terms of how heavy it is and how it surprises goalies.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
He was very good last year, but IMO not as dominant as the PPG scoring would indicate. I mean, same for Ronning or Gettinger or Brodzinski or whoever. His stats seemed to give the imression that he was dominant night-in, night-out, which he wasn't. Last year was weird; it was a third of a regular season playing against just two teams and watered-down competition as lots of guys had signed up in Europe. Everything in the AHL last year was...off.

I don't know what the big argument is with Barron but if he does become a player in the mold of Brian Boyle, I don't know why that would be a bad thing. Boyle had been a premier bottom-six center and PKer for a decade-plus. If you get that out of Barron, that's a huge win. I've always thought he was more likely to stick at wing, but the Rangers seem committed to him playing center, so that's that, for now anyway. I think he's maybe a future 20-20 guy if it breaks right for him, but more "safely" a 10-15 goal, 25 point guy who plays a good 200-foot game.
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And this is honestly perfect for what the team actually needs in the bottom-6. A Goodrow-type player
 
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JohnC said:
For sure. But if he becomes a 25-30 point player that plays well defensively, is that not effectively Brian Boyle in his prime? Not that there's anything wrong with Brian Boyle in his prime. I was his biggest fan (bigger fan than @Thirty One).
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Boyler had a 20 goal season here IIRC.

My bad, I think I jumped in without realizing the prior convo. I'm with you; don't think there's anything yet to indicate like top-6 center, but there are those who are higher on him than me. Boyle was a favorite of mine too and I hardly see it as a diss. Some players like that aren't high cieling in terms of the line their on, but there's a big difference between like Boyle at 4C and Rooney, and Rooney wasn't even bad, Boyle was just THE BEST, even if you didn't want him at 3C.
 
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I mentioned Boone Jenner earlier as a comparable player to Barron and I think somewhere between Jenner and Goodrow is what the expectation should be once Barron fully develops. 25-35 points, can play wing or center, good PKer, physical big body player who controls the boards. That's valuable on any team in the NHL but especially on a team already flush with higher talent guys. He has the skill to play with those guys but doesn't need the puck to be successful and effect a game positively.
 
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And this is honestly perfect for what the team actually needs in the bottom-6. A Goodrow-type player
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Was about to post the same thing. You have roles to fill.

Not every forward prospect has to be dominant offensively.

I've been high on Morgan for years. I felt all along and would be thrilled if Barron becomes a Boyle-like player.

A serviceable lower line player who can add some size, toughness, leadership, can contribute offensively (instead of being a black hole like Howden) and be trusted to win some goddamn faceoffs in big spots.
 
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