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WJC: 2021 Canada Roster Talk Part 2

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JackSlater said:
I like the new lines better. The team could use Newhook being in a more offensive role and Cozens always made more sense on the wing. Quinn was a strange fit on the top line. Byfield gets two good hard working players that will give him chances to create. I also like that they put Cozens in front of the net on the new PP units, as he did well in that spot last year.

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:thumbu: well put . Agreed
 
snowkiddin said:
This is pretty much what I agree with.

Byram was played a lot last year because of draft pedigree AND because he is very good offensively. He looks like a poor man’s Erik Karlsson. An absolute embarrassment in his own end but terrific and dynamic offensively. He’s looking like he’ll be a fairly good offensive defenseman, but I haven’t seen anything gleaming in his defensive game. He certainly was not good defensively last year, a constant liability.
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He was relied on heavily last year by Hunter and Co. to solidify the defense. Once they moved away from giving heavy minutes early to Bahl, McIsaac, and Smith, Canada's defense improved tremendously. His TOI increased steadily over the tournament to the point that he routinely logging over 20 minutes plus per game and repeatedly led a Gold medal winning Canadian squad in per game TOI on defense. Byram was also on the ice for only one 5v5 goal in the tournament last year. Bahl, McIsaac, Smith, & JBD were all on the ice for five plus goals each last year.

Byram was again logging heavy TOI in the prelim game this week that resulted in a shut out. He was third on the team in zone exits (behind Harley and Dach) and second in zone entries (behind Dach). He assisted on Canada's only goal when he astutely recognized that Russia was in a line change and pushed the play. He almost assisted on another goal when Askarov made perhaps his best save of the game on Krebs.

The criticism does seem odd under the circumstances. I will say that more than a couple of the most critical posters are the same ones from last year, which appear to be a mix of disgruntled Devils fans (due to back and forth bickering over the possible Hall trade), Ottawa fans (for obvious reasons), and Anaheim fans that are upset that he is stealing the limelight from their prospect (Drysdale). Drysdale happened to have a bad defensive zone turnover in the third period of the prelim game, yet no one seemed to notice, which was strange under the circumstances.

It is the same thing every year. I recall some bashing of Makar, much of which seemed to come from Vancouver fans that for some reason felt threatened in relation to their prospect Hughes.

It is hard to take anything said with anything more than a grain of salt, because virtually all of it on these WJC threads seems to come with an agenda.
 
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Goulet17 said:
He was relied on heavily last year by Hunter and Co. to solidify the defense. Once they moved away from giving heavy minutes early to Bahl, McIsaac, and Smith, Canada's defense improved tremendously. His TOI increased steadily over the tournament to the point that he routinely logging over 20 minutes plus per game and repeatedly led a Gold medal winning Canadian squad in per game TOI on defense. Byram was also on the ice for only one 5v5 goal in the tournament last year. Bahl, McIsaac, Smith, & JBD were all on the ice for five plus goals each last year.

Byram was again logging heavy TOI in the prelim game this week that resulted in a shut out. He was third on the team in zone exits (behind Harley and Dach) and second in zone entries (behind Dach). He assisted on Canada's only goal when he astutely recognized that Russia was in a line change and pushed the play. He almost assisted on another goal when Askarov made perhaps his best save of the game on Krebs.

The criticism does seem odd under the circumstances. I will say that more than a couple of the most critical posters are the same ones from last year, which appear to be a mix of disgruntled Devils fans (due to back and forth bickering over the possible Hall trade), Ottawa fans (for obvious reasons), and Anaheim fans that are upset that he is stealing the limelight from their prospect (Drysdale). Drysdale happened to have a bad defensive zone turnover in the third period of the prelim game, yet no one seemed to notice, which was strange under the circumstances.

It is the same thing every year. I recall some bashing of Makar, much of which seemed to come from Vancouver fans that for some reason felt threatened in relation to their prospect Hughes.

It is hard to take anything said with anything more than a grain of salt, because virtually all of it on these WJC threads seems to come with an agenda.
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Makar played in the 2018 WJC , Hughes was drafted in 2018 after the WJC was already played
 
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Sens of Anarchy said:
Makar played in the 2018 WJC , Hughes was drafted in 2018 after the WJC was already played
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Correct, but the bizarre back and forth between the Colorado and Vancouver fan bases was already under way by that point in time. Regardless of draft year, they have been seemingly the subject of comparison since virtually right after Vancouver drafted Hughes.
 
I will say this, there are some aspects regarding Byram's game that concern me, but I would just like to see some degree of consistency. If you are going to call him out for perceived shortcomings, it seems like that same logic/approach should be applied to other players as well.
 
I only remember complete agreement that Canada was underutilizing Makar in 2018. It's one of the very few criticisms that could possibly be made about Ducharme's decisions in 2017 and 2018.
 
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Islay1989 said:
:laugh:

You believe whatever the hell you want. I just love how you determined he is terrible without even watching him. Par for the course around here, one inane take after another, but it's the coaches who are just blineded by draft pedigree :laugh:
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Do you read brah? You litterly quoted me saying he isnt garbage.
 
I know there is no direct correlation but you have to feel pretty good about Canada after the U.S./Russia game. While we were the better team against Russia, Russia outclassed the U.S.

Of course, it can all change.
 
It's still early, Dach is out, and relying on Cozens to be the #1C worries me. Hope he proves me wrong, but I don't see the puck handling chops. I really like the two way game of Canada in general, and the D look to be rock solid, if not better than that. I am very confident that Byram will settle down, simplify his game, and will rival someone like Soderstrom as the best Dman in the tourney. Canada just has to figure out their offence. Seems to be kind of a hodge podge right now...a talented hodge podge, but no clear understanding of their offensive roles.
 
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Goulet17 said:
He was relied on heavily last year by Hunter and Co. to solidify the defense. Once they moved away from giving heavy minutes early to Bahl, McIsaac, and Smith, Canada's defense improved tremendously. His TOI increased steadily over the tournament to the point that he routinely logging over 20 minutes plus per game and repeatedly led a Gold medal winning Canadian squad in per game TOI on defense. Byram was also on the ice for only one 5v5 goal in the tournament last year. Bahl, McIsaac, Smith, & JBD were all on the ice for five plus goals each last year.

Byram was again logging heavy TOI in the prelim game this week that resulted in a shut out. He was third on the team in zone exits (behind Harley and Dach) and second in zone entries (behind Dach). He assisted on Canada's only goal when he astutely recognized that Russia was in a line change and pushed the play. He almost assisted on another goal when Askarov made perhaps his best save of the game on Krebs.

The criticism does seem odd under the circumstances. I will say that more than a couple of the most critical posters are the same ones from last year, which appear to be a mix of disgruntled Devils fans (due to back and forth bickering over the possible Hall trade), Ottawa fans (for obvious reasons), and Anaheim fans that are upset that he is stealing the limelight from their prospect (Drysdale). Drysdale happened to have a bad defensive zone turnover in the third period of the prelim game, yet no one seemed to notice, which was strange under the circumstances.

It is the same thing every year. I recall some bashing of Makar, much of which seemed to come from Vancouver fans that for some reason felt threatened in relation to their prospect Hughes.

It is hard to take anything said with anything more than a grain of salt, because virtually all of it on these WJC threads seems to come with an agenda.
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I must admit that it is puzzling that one would find it odd that a defenseman who is routinely walked and looks lost in the defensive zone is being called weak defensively, but I guess that’s the Internet for ya.
 
ORRFForever said:
I know there is no direct correlation but you have to feel pretty good about Canada after the U.S./Russia game. While we were the better team against Russia, Russia outclassed the U.S.

Of course, it can all change.
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I agree that neither team looked scary at all in that game. None of the big goalies looked particularly strong and each team was messy in its play. A lot can change in this tournament though, as we saw even with Canada last year.
 
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Jason MacIsaac said:
Yep, those Devils couldn't get Byram so I am out for blood. They caught me. Ill bow out now that my secret is out.
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You admitted you haven't watch the guy at all, yet you keep calling others "fanboys" and you keep saying he is poor defensively despite that being nowhere close to the truth. And now you act all offended people are calling you out for your views? Byram was on for one ES goal against last WJC. He was their go to guy for tough matchups. He does the same for Giants. Yet you decided you know better based on what? Not watching him like you said?

Just hilarious.
 
57special said:
It's still early, Dach is out, and relying on Cozens to be the #1C worries me. Hope he proves me wrong, but I don't see the puck handling chops. I really like the two way game of Canada in general, and the D look to be rock solid, if not better than that. I am very confident that Byram will settle down, simplify his game, and will rival someone like Soderstrom as the best Dman in the tourney. Canada just has to figure out their offence. Seems to be kind of a hodge podge right now...a talented hodge podge, but no clear understanding of their offensive roles.
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i guess you have nothing to worry about because cozens is playing on the 2nd line as a winger.
 
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Islay1989 said:
You admitted you haven't watch the guy at all, yet you keep calling others "fanboys" and you keep saying he is poor defensively despite that being nowhere close to the truth. And now you act all offended people are calling you out for your views? Byram was on for one ES goal against last WJC. He was their go to guy for tough matchups. He does the same for Giants. Yet you decided you know better based on what? Not watching him like you said?

Just hilarious.
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I watched him very closely last WJC, he may have played amazing for Vancouver, that isn't what I'm stating. I am saying he was terrible defensively last year at the WJC. Now you will respond using TOI and +- to prove your point and complete this endless circle.

Go back to the game threads, I'm pretty sure I mentioned every time he got walked or did something stupid in the dzone.
 
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Jason MacIsaac said:
I watched him very closely last WJC, he may have played amazing for Vancouver, that isn't what I'm stating. I am saying he was terrible defensively last year at the WJC. Now you will respond using TOI and +- to prove your point and complete this endless circle.

Go back to the game threads, I'm pretty sure I mentioned every time he got walked or did something stupid in the dzone.
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I take what the coaches say about him and how they used him along with my eye test over your hot takes that have no basis in reality.
 
Islay1989 said:
You admitted you haven't watch the guy at all, yet you keep calling others "fanboys" and you keep saying he is poor defensively despite that being nowhere close to the truth. And now you act all offended people are calling you out for your views? Byram was on for one ES goal against last WJC. He was their go to guy for tough matchups. He does the same for Giants. Yet you decided you know better based on what? Not watching him like you said?

Just hilarious.
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He never said he has never watched him at all.

you should read it properly when you aren’t full of rage that people aren’t sugar coating his poor defensive play.
 
Jason MacIsaac said:
I watched him very closely last WJC, he may have played amazing for Vancouver, that isn't what I'm stating. I am saying he was terrible defensively last year at the WJC. Now you will respond using TOI and +- to prove your point and complete this endless circle.

Go back to the game threads, I'm pretty sure I mentioned every time he got walked or did something stupid in the dzone.
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Byram isn’t on the team for his defensive prowess. He’s there to move the puck up the ice, join the rush, and produce offence.
 
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