2021-22 Utica Comets and ECHL thread - part V

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I don’t know what “all the Devils posters” told you, I can only speak for myself.

I personally said in pre-season that the lack of depth at center, especially the complete dearth of true top line scoring centers, would be a problem for Utica.

I specifically saw a problem with scoring centers. Schnarr was good defensively & at face offs, Schmelzer is a middle six center, Talvitie was likely also going get time as a bottom six center.

The lack of centers started in parent club in NJ so losing Boqvist should have been expected. Fitz claimed that he thought Mercer would be playing in Utica but I have no idea who that would have left to play center in NJ (Zacha, PTO pick-up?).

We needed at least one Ben Street-style replacement for Utica, more likely two, and I wasn’t thrilled with the AHL tweener pick-ups we got for that job, even though De Leo did great for the Gulls and otherwise seemed like an excellent pick-up.

I even did my best to research how much the pick-ups had actually played center (Flynn, Gambardella, De Leo) in the pre-season.

I watched and hoped that we would grab Andrew Poturalski, who was ironically De Leo’s center under Dineen in San Diego, while he sat unsigned until August 11.

We lost Schnarr in a goalie trade we were forced to make and Gauthier is hurt. Those losses hurt. Shit happens. But anyone who put some time into thinking about the AHL team (and many NHL fans don’t) would have seen that having scoring wingers as a strength doesn’t do you a whole lot of good without centers.
I was with you all the way.

They could have signed both Gauthier and Jankowski instead of Flynn. Would have cost exactly the same and Jankowski's AHL time during his career has been close to PPG. He cleared waivers to go from Buffalo to Rochester. No reason he wouldn't have done the same to leave NJ for Utica. I was pushing for every opportunity.
 
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I don’t want Dineen anywhere near the NHL team in a head coaching capacity.

He might be an okay assistant at the NHL level, but that’s about it.
 

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Clarke didn't fare much better than Halonen in his return. I didn't notice him much and will watch the game again and focus on him and some others.

No shots same as Halonen in Game 2. Halonen had three SOG in Game 1.
 
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Clarke didn't fare much better than Halonen in his return. I didn't notice him much and will watch the game again and focus on him and some others.

No shots same as Halonen in Game 2. Halonen had three SOG in Game 1.
I like the idea of getting fresh legs in there. But Clarke was invisible Time to switch it back up again.
 

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This happened to Holtz last year. He needs serious work on his mental game. The way he was playing in the first half was dynamic. He was generating scoring chances every shift. Will this plague him his whole career? Not sure, I would be inclined to move him for Fiala though.

I've said this multiple times. The people who pencil Holtz into a top 6 spot in the future like it's a foregone conclusion are in for a rude awakening. He shows flashes, but just generally does not impress me. If he's not getting the puck in high danger areas, he can disappear at best or be a complete liability at worst. I would move him in a package for Fiala without thinking twice.

In fairness, I wasn't a fan of Holtz with our 7th pick in 2020 to begin with. Between his rough D+1 season and his inconsistent play in his D+2 season, there hasn't been much to change my thoughts. He'll be an NHL player, but I'm not sure he's going to be the impact top line scoring winger that so many assume.
 

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The Devils could easily handle the main needs in terms of complimentary players for next year by bringing back exaclty the 5 they signed this sesason. Russo and Gambardella are already signed.

Lock up Schmelzer as was already suggested. Give him a healthy bonus for the job he has done this season as the Comets captain and give him the job for the next 2 seasons.

That only leaves Flynn and Deleo.

Deleo would be a no brainer. The team will always need someone of his ilk, so why not just get to him and sign him to another 2-way and up his paycheck a bit to reward him for his leadership and production. He was the team's leading scorer with 56 points. He can and did play all 3 forward positions. With the Devils void at center he eventually became the #1 C for the Comets and there was no one else close to the game he could play with the team's best young wingers. There doesn't appear to be anyone on the immediate horizon either. So, they can save themselves the time and energy of searching for another and just sign the good one they already have.

Based upon the AHL criteria to classify a player as a Veteran or Veteran Exempt, Gambardella will just barely cross the line and become a VE. The number is 261 GP and he has played 263 games.

So right now this would be the Vet/VE situation next season:

Gambardella - VE
Russo - Vet
Greer - Will be a UFA. He would be a great reacquisition for the Comets (Devils?) If so, he would be a VET.
Deleo - Vet
Wotherspoon - Vet. No reason not to re-sign your co-Vet D-man. He was the team's most effective defensive D-man and led the team in +/- at +26. The next closest being the team's top defensive forward Frederik Gauthier, +17.
Gautheir- Vet. Will be a UFA. I would extend an offer to the Goat. The role he played could not be filled by any other member of the team. He was the best face-off man, best defensive forward, #1 PK forward and dynamite paired with Greer (they were a threat to score every time they took to the ice a man down), and to top it all off he put up 32 points, tied with 3 other guys for 6th place in scoring. He too will be a UFA.

This would give the Comets the 5 Vets and 1 VE allowed to play in a game.

The only other player acquired specifically to support the prospects was Brian Flynn. Based upon the players above, I would consider him the least necessary of the 7. The Devils need to acquire another player with no veteran conflicts as they did last season with Gambardella. They would need a good AHL level center to fill the #2 slot. Talvitie and Schmelzer can both play the wing. For that matter Deleo is a top line wing if not playing center.

Deleo
X
Gauthier
Schmelzer/Talvitie

Right now if they brought back the 6 listed above the roster would look like this:

Deleo
Gambardella
Greer
Gauthier
Schmelzer
Holtz
Thompson
Clarke
Talvitie
Halonen

Holtz
Zetterlund
Foote

These 3 could all be Comets or any mix of Devils and Comets.

That's a maximum of 13 forwards. If they lose Gauthier, Greer, Deleo, and Schmelzer, it's complete reconstruction time. If they kept them on board the Comets are again a very good team.

Couple that with:

Russo
Wotherspoon (has to be re-signed)
Vukojevic
Groleau
Walsh - Many HF posters seem to believe he will be a Devil. I do not. We'll see.

Bahl
Okhotyuk
There is no decision as to what Fitz will do to fill out the Devils backend. Both of these guys could be gone or Devils or one each. If back in Utica, they are a tossup as to who gets the first call-up.

Mukhamadullin - If he plays tonight, as the teaser has been offered, and shows to be through a deeper than round 1 of the 2022 playoffs, at the least, an effective AHL D-man, he could be coming to NA for the '22-23 season. Then again maybe not regardless of how he plays. He could also be the LD people are penciling Bahl/OK into the lineup. There is no telling what happens with this kid other than it looks like he wants to play in America sooner than later.

Vilen will hopefully be in camp and the Devils staff can get a good look at him and determine his readiness. Best bet is he will be headed back to Finland and return to America as a 20-yr-old if he is really a rising prospect. If not at least 2 years before he sets foot in NA.

My guess is the Comets will have to acquire at least 2 more D-men, maybe 3.

The net will start with Daws and Schmid and they should be allowed to be AHL goalies for most of the season with Mitens in the wings in Adirondack. Fitz MUST fix the goalie crisis in NJ. It can't be allowed to be the chaotic situation it has been for the past 2 seasons, especially this last one! Everyone agrees on that note.
Some UFA C/W with less than 260 GP by Pt/G (Comets placed for reference):

Kiefer Sherwood
Dylan Sikura
Cooper Marody

DeLeo

Brett Seney
Sean Malone
Glenn Gawdin
Joel L'Esperance
Nick Merkley
Cameron Hughes
Dylan McLaughlin
Rourke Chartier
Jayson Halbgewachs
Luke Philp
John Stevens

Gauthier

Brian Pinho
Gage Quinney
Adam Brooks
Dakota Joshua

Schmelzer

Shane Gersich

Gambardella
Clarke
Grasso
Flynn

Anthony Angello
Maxim Letunov
Nolan Stevens

Talvitie

Sam Miletic
Kole Sherwood

Laberge
Irvine
Halonen

Injured:

Ryan Fitzgerald 4 GP
Andrew Oglevie 0 GP

ECHL:

Brad Morrison
Peter Abbandonato
 
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Apologies if there's a more appropriate thread, I looked around and didn't really see an all encompassing prospects thread, then posted here yesterday but had awful timing as it was right before a game and my post got lost several page back. Anyway, looking for info on players who made their NHL debut last season. Can anyone here tell me a bit about these guys like what role they played last season, what type of player they are and what their future outlook could be? Thanks!!


Fabian Zetterlund
Mason Geertsen
Nikita Okhotiuk
Reilly Walsh
Nico Daws
Akira Schmid
 

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Apologies if there's a more appropriate thread, I looked around and didn't really see an all encompassing prospects thread, then posted here yesterday but had awful timing as it was right before a game and my post got lost several page back. Anyway, looking for info on players who made their NHL debut last season. Can anyone here tell me a bit about these guys like what role they played last season, what type of player they are and what their future outlook could be? Thanks!!


Fabian Zetterlund
Mason Geertsen
Nikita Okhotiuk
Reilly Walsh
Nico Daws
Akira Schmid
Fabian Zetterlund - Potential middle 6 NHL forward. Looked pretty good in his last call up this year, but didn't even get a call up before this year,

Mason Geertsen - GOON. No future here really. ZERO NHL potential. Terribly unskilled goon.

Nikita Okhotiuk - Potential middle pairing defenseman. Didn't get any call ups before the last week or two of the season this year, but was very good in limited games played.

Reilly Walsh - Ehh, I can't say much about him myself, but I don't think the organization views him too highly. He's played one NHL game in 2 years as a pro and it was in one of the last games played of this season. I thought he played a decent game? He even got an assist in the game, but they couldn't wait to take him out and healthy scratch him the very next game. Regardless of what I think of him, I don't think the org is particularly high on him.

Nico Daws - Potential NHL backup to possible lower end NHL starter. I think his development took a HUGE hit this year because he was forced to play 25 NHL games, with barely any AHL time before he was in a full time role here due to injury. Played well at first, then cratered drastically, which is to be expected for a goalie with such little pro experience. I thought we did him a great disservice by keeping him up well after he started to struggle. Poor move by management, even more than the coaching staff.

Akira Schmid - Potential NHL goalie. Looked way over his head in the handful of NHL games he played, which is understandable, with such little pro experience. Never put together a good streak or even a good game like Daws did, but Daws regressed to looking like him in his NHL stint for the better part of his last 6-7 weeks up.
 

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Fabian Zetterlund - Potential middle 6 NHL forward. Looked pretty good in his last call up this year, but didn't even get a call up before this year,

Mason Geertsen - GOON. No future here really. ZERO NHL potential. Terribly unskilled goon.

Nikita Okhotiuk - Potential middle pairing defenseman. Didn't get any call ups before the last week or two of the season this year, but was very good in limited games played.

Reilly Walsh - Ehh, I can't say much about him myself, but I don't think the organization views him too highly. He's played one NHL game in 2 years as a pro and it was in one of the last games played of this season. I thought he played a decent game? He even got an assist in the game, but they couldn't wait to take him out and healthy scratch him the very next game. Regardless of what I think of him, I don't think the org is particularly high on him.

Nico Daws - Potential NHL backup to possible lower end NHL starter. I think his development took a HUGE hit this year because he was forced to play 25 NHL games, with barely any AHL time before he was in a full time role here due to injury. Played well at first, then cratered drastically, which is to be expected for a goalie with such little pro experience. I thought we did him a great disservice by keeping him up well after he started to struggle. Poor move by management, even more than the coaching staff.

Akira Schmid - Potential NHL goalie. Looked way over his head in the handful of NHL games he played, which is understandable, with such little pro experience. Never put together a good streak or even a good game like Daws did, but Daws regressed to looking like him in his NHL stint for the better part of his last 6-7 weeks up.

Well said. Maybe I’d quibble a bit to say that I see Zetterlund as a bottom six player but I’m looking forward to him getting a real NHL chance in the fall.
 

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Graeme Clarke was a 2019 3rd round (80 OA) draft selection of the NJ Devils. He is currently in his 2nd pro season and has just recently turned 21 Yrs of age. He's been a puppy to date. He has recorded 42 Pts/83GP. He has scored at a rate of .51 PPG in those 83 AHL games. That was both in the watered down COVID AHL last season as well as the fully operational AHL this season. The 2021-22 season was the 1st of his 3-yr ECHL contract, technically making this his Rookie season. His PPG avg was basically the same in both seasons. If you go back to his Jr career, his numbers in 3 seasons of OHL play came up very similar at .57 PPG.

That's not exactly dog shit for a 20-yr-old. It doesn't mean he hasn't got a huge road ahead of him, but the road is there. There is a bright guiding light he can follow. Zetterlund is now 22 and will be 23 in August. He recorded 38pts/80GP in his first 2 adventures in the AHL. NJ didn't give him a look until late this season buoyed up by his 24G/28A/52Pts season in Utica before his call-up.

Graeme has 2 seasons before he is in the same phase of his career. Will it be similar? We don't know. Many will predict the outcome, but I like to wait with kids this young. Many forget kids in the same age slot as him got an early taste of the AHL last season before they would normally have been allowed to because COVID shut down the JRs and they were allowed to enter early. This would have been his first taste of the pro game. Patience is the word with kids who break in at 20. Many don't show a lot in that first season, but blossom as the next 2 years pass. Z did just that. If I had to guess I would think Holtz finds himself here to start next year as well if he dosen't work on his wheels, strength, and compete. His talent is there, but those other issues create question marks. He can't spend a season in the NHL standing in the dot waiting for 1-timers and capitalizing in on turnovers for clean breaks or shots at the keepers. AHL coaches and goalies have already figured that out.

Graeme Is 6'0"/174, but not known as physical. He is not a hi-lite reel player and pretty much has been a bottom six guy this past season. He has only played 52 games mostly due to injury, but there have been healthy scratches as well. His 10 G and 24 Pts are spread out over those 52 games. He never scored in bunches. His scoring is basically a chipping in type of play.

Brian Halonen (23) is an undrafted 23-yr-old right shooting LW fresh out of NCAA Michigan Tech on an ATO contract with Utica after signing a 2-yr ELC with NJ for the next 2 seasons. He is 6'0"/207 Lbs. Dineen played him on the right side for his first 9 games. In game #10 he played LW. Then he switched him back the very next game. He played 12 total games to the end of the Comets regular season. He compiled 2 G/1A/3Pts.

The most interesting thing to me is that Clarke played every one of those games as well.

Halonen recorded 3 Pts. - 2G/1A
1st goal on the PP assisted by Thompson and Holtz. His linemates that night were Laberge and Talvitie.
2nd goal at ES assisted by Vukojevic and Groleau. His linemates that game were Laberge and Irvine.
His 1A was on a goal by Deleo assisted by Thompson and himself. His linemates that night were Thompson and Deleo.

Clarke recorded 3 Pts - 3 A
1st A was on a goal by Schmelzer assited by Deleo and himself. His linemates that night were Laberge and Flynn.
2nd A was on a goal by Gourley assisted by Talvitie and himself. His linemates that night were Grasso and Talvitie
3rd A was in the same game on a goal by Holtz assisted by Talvitie and himself. Ditto above/same game.

Halonen was gifted PP time to get his 1st goal from the 1st line.
His 2nd goal came in a game that was over. The Comets had scored an empty netter to seal the deal and he scored on wrist shot from the boards against a keeper who never expected a shot in the final seconds of a game that was over and done.
His 1A came playing with the 1st line.

Not saying anything negative about the kid. Just pointing out Clarke didn't get the same opportunities, but recorded the same # of points in a 12 game span. When line changes were incomplete and Graeme happened to have Holtz one night and Deleo another he picked up assists on goals scored on those 2 shifts.

In the playoffs Halonen played 2 and Clarke 1. Neither has been a standout and both made errors. It's a case right now of Dineen appearing to make sure he gets every one of his regular season players a game. We saw Clarke and Groleau last night. Every guy who has made their season what it's been has played except for injured Gauthier.

I assume Dineen will ice the best chance he can see for a win in the next one. If they can win that one, it should be balls to the floor for game 5 on home ice.

The 2 will be teammates next season. Graeme will be 21 all season and Brian will turn 24 at the halfway mark. Graeme has some 2 and 1/2 years to go to catch up to Brian in maturity, weight, and compete level at 24 years of age. We will be calling Graeme a lost cause if he is still here at age 24. Halonen had better outshine him now or he's done pretty much after next year. Going into '24-25 on the last of his ELC still considered an AHL player soon to turn 25 his chances of cracking the Devils roster with what they have, those they will add from their prospect pool, what everyone hopes they have coming from this upcoming draft vying for regular spots, and the outside players they will get in the next 2 off seasons, his chances are already melting on thin ice as we speak. He's going to have to blow the AHL up next season to get recognized. Otherwise he has simply been signed as a complimentary Utica Comet to support the current and incoming prospects instead of being considered one himself.
 

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Well said. Maybe I’d quibble a bit to say that I see Zetterlund as a bottom six player but I’m looking forward to him getting a real NHL chance in the fall.
If we will trade PZ and don't sign any potential top 6 Ufa, I would say he has a big chance to have a shot in top 6. To fight for the spot at minimum.
 
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I've said this multiple times. The people who pencil Holtz into a top 6 spot in the future like it's a foregone conclusion are in for a rude awakening. He shows flashes, but just generally does not impress me. If he's not getting the puck in high danger areas, he can disappear at best or be a complete liability at worst. I would move him in a package for Fiala without thinking twice.

In fairness, I wasn't a fan of Holtz with our 7th pick in 2020 to begin with. Between his rough D+1 season and his inconsistent play in his D+2 season, there hasn't been much to change my thoughts. He'll be an NHL player, but I'm not sure he's going to be the impact top line scoring winger that so many assume.
I don't think he will be an NHL player who sticks in the league long term. Holtz is rather slow and doesn't seem to have an extra gear, is a mediocre stickhandler at best. He is supposed to have good vision, but shows it rarely if at all. If they can get a Fiala for him or have Holtz as a core piece in a trade for Fiala, I'd do it in a second. Maybe this year after 20+ goals somebody will be stupid enough to take him off our hands. I have rarely been that disappointed by a high draft pick, even Zacha looks like a dynamic powerhouse compared to Holtz. The shot has disappeared lately as well, so right now there is absolutely nothing left. Sure, put him besides Jack and he will score a few goals. But so would Sam Laberge.
 

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I don't think he will be an NHL player who sticks in the league long term. Holtz is rather slow and doesn't seem to have an extra gear, is a mediocre stickhandler at best. He is supposed to have good vision, but shows it rarely if at all. If they can get a Fiala for him or have Holtz as a core piece in a trade for Fiala, I'd do it in a second. Maybe this year after 20+ goals somebody will be stupid enough to take him off our hands. I have rarely been that disappointed by a high draft pick, even Zacha looks like a dynamic powerhouse compared to Holtz. The shot has disappeared lately as well, so right now there is absolutely nothing left. Sure, put him besides Jack and he will score a few goals. But so would Sam Laberge.

You may want to do a little research before making such posts.

The numbers Fiala put up at the same age are less than Holtz' including no points in three AHL playoff games.

Bill Guerin would take Holtz off the Devils hands in a heartbeat (alleviating his own team's cap issues while building a bright future).

Fitz could rightfully be tarred and feathered if he made such a move.

The last thing the Devils need are TWO Jesper Bratts.
 

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You may want to do a little research before making such posts.

The numbers Fiala put up at the same age are less than Holtz' including no points in three AHL playoff games.

Bill Guerin would take Holtz off the Devils hands in a heartbeat (alleviating his own team's cap issues while building a bright future).

Fitz could rightfully be tarred and feathered if he made such a move.

The last thing the Devils need are TWO Jesper Bratts.
Just looking at Kevin Fiala's hockeydb stats is testimony that some players take a few years to develop. Fiala spent part of three seasons developing in the AHL and didn't become an impactful player in the NHL until his D+4 season. Holtz didn't turn 20 until late January and wouldn't have even been eligible to play in the AHL this season if he was a Canadian kid drafted out of juniors. Holtz looks like he hit a wall down the stretch after a long season but it way too early to predict what his NHL career might be.
 
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