Rumor: 2021-22 Trade Rumors and FA Part V: To Giroux or not to Giroux

[Spleenless Wonder21]

Nah, I'm sure the wifi is the same for streaming and that's really all that matters. Little shocked (but not THAT shocked), that we have 3 pages of "what-ifs" with Mack. Really no reason to speculate in my opinion. Something seriously wrong would have to happen for him to not re-sign.

No, him & Makar are definitely (maybe) leaving (even though it’s 2 postseasons away at the earliest for MacK & longer for Makar, but beat the rush & worst case speculatively panic NOW)!

 

[Hasbro]

Not even close to true

Detroit and Nebraska however...

 

[AllAboutAvs]

In theory I like this as it spreads out the talent and I love Nuke. But he shouldn’t be on the top line or even 2nd line for a team going for a cup imo. He just doesn’t have the offensive skill set necessary imo.

IMO the issue with your statement is not that "he shouldn't be in the top-6 on a team going for a cup" but rather "does the team going for a cup has the depth to step in in there is an injury in the top-6". Nuke is fine in the top-6 if it is to balance the lines better offensively and to provide the right mixture of players on each line. In that case I think Nuke is fine because he is a great complimentary player in the tiop-6 because of what he brings and he can still chip in offensively. And in that scenario you were commenting about we would still have Kadri and at a lesser level Newhook (although Newhook still have to prove he can handle at least 2nd line LW). So I'm fine with Nuke in the top-6 as long as we have the depth in case of an injury in that top-6 without depleting too much the 3rd line. That is why IMO it is important to get a guy like Giroux/Miller. It would give the Avs lots of options when the top-9 is healthy and still have decent options when there is an injury.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

I guess by the tone of this thread lately, we're up to 3-4-5 certainties in life:
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Makar leaving in 2027 if he's not traded 1st.
4. Rants leaving in 2025
5. Nate retiring to focus on his Fortnite career.

 

[The Abusement Park]

IMO the issue with your statement is not that "he shouldn't be in the top-6 on a team going for a cup" but rather "does the team going for a cup has the depth to step in in there is an injury in the top-6". Nuke is fine in the top-6 if it is to balance the lines better offensively and to provide the right mixture of players on each line. In that case I think Nuke is fine because he is a great complimentary player in the tiop-6 because of what he brings and he can still chip in offensively. And in that scenario you were commenting about we would still have Kadri and at a lesser level Newhook (although Newhook still have to prove he can handle at least 2nd line LW). So I'm fine with Nuke in the top-6 as long as we have the depth in case of an injury in that top-6 without depleting too much the 3rd line. That is why IMO it is important to get a guy like Giroux/Miller. It would give the Avs lots of options when the top-9 is healthy and still have decent options when there is an injury.

I don’t mind Nuke in the top 6 in the playoffs for spot duty. But he’s proven during his time here that he isn’t up to snuff in that role in the playoffs. 6pts in 25 games is a worse rate than Jost in the playoffs. Now he does a ton of stuff away from the puck that this team sorely needs, but if your in the top 6 you have to produce points at a somewhat reliable rate.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Every player will leave this offseason and the team will have to fold.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

I don’t mind Nuke in the top 6 in the playoffs for spot duty. But he’s proven during his time here that he isn’t up to snuff in that role in the playoffs. 6pts in 25 games is a worse rate than Jost in the playoffs. Now he does a ton of stuff away from the puck that this team sorely needs, but if your in the top 6 you have to produce points at a somewhat reliable rate.

That's how I see it as well. Although he's improved his offense, I'm not sure that he can keep that up. Especially in the playoffs.
Love what he brings to the Avs at any rate.

 

[shadow1]

I want to give Nichushkin the benefit of the doubt for his playoff struggles.

Last year, after having success in the regular season with variations of Donskoi/Jost/Saad, he spent the entire post-season stapled to JT Compher. In 2020 I thought he was just snake bitten, except at the very end of the Dallas series.

Either way, I want to look forward rather than backward. Nichushkin's clearly a different player now; he's on pace for 220 shots and 131 hits over 82 games. His previous career highs in those categories are 139 and 84 (respectively). If he continues to put that much rubber on net in the playoffs, he's going to have success.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

Every player will leave this offseason and the team will have to fold.

I call BS. Jost and Compher will never leave this team.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I guess by the tone of this thread lately, we're up to 3-4-5 certainties in life:
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Makar leaving in 2027 if he's not traded 1st.
4. Rants leaving in 2025
5. Nate retiring to focus on his Fortnite career.

Makar to Calgary in 2027 all but guaranteed.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

Makar to Calgary in 2027 all but guaranteed.

Damn. There goes my day.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Damn. There goes my day.

Just enjoy him while we have him and hope he wins a few cups and a few individual awards before 2027. That boy is going home.

 

[Avsboy]

Every player will leave this offseason and the team will have to fold.

I fear this too

 

[Spleenless Wonder21]

Makar to Calgary in 2027 all but guaranteed.

If he’s hellbent to return home & play in the Pringle Crisp Dome why didn’t he refuse to re-sign after his entry level contract expired, rather than spend most of his prime years with Colorado?

 

[The Kingslayer]

If he’s hellbent to return home & play in the Pringle Crisp Dome why didn’t he refuse to re-sign after his entry level contract expired, rather than spend most of his prime years with Colorado?

Cale wants to give the Avs the benefit of the doubt. In 6 yrs hes out.

 

[Richard88]

This board, man

All I said was that IF Sakic burns ALL our assets and doesn't win a cup Mackinnon 'might' 'think' about signing elsewhere. Sakic isn't going to incompetently bleed the entire prospect pool dry obviously so there's nothing to worry about. Don't let that get in the way of all these panicky responses though, I'll just leave the pizza here for ya'll and be back later when things have calmed down on the Mackinnon-is-leaving-and-Makar-is-going-to-Calgary-doomsdayp parade.

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

What if this new top line works out..?
Landy-Rantanen-Nuke

That is an incredibly solid line makes you wonder what we could feasibly run as our other lines as when MacK comes back IF they decide to keep that line together.

Landy-Rantanen-Nuke
Trade-MacK-Burakovsky
Newhook-Kadri-LOC
Helm-Jost-NAK

Probably unlikely that those lines ever develop, but damn if Rantanen can play as a top 6 center we have some great problems moving forward.

I have wanted to break the top line up for a long time. Sure put it back together in a pinch when you need a goal. Spreading all that out that way would be super hard for other teams to play against. Imagine Giroux in that trade spot on the second line.

 

[cccoltsicehockey]

Cale wants to give the Avs the benefit of the doubt. In 6 yrs hes out.

Afraid of this actually taking place. Unless Calgary is a dumpster fire in that time then maybe he won't want to spend the time rotting in the basement. It is so far away though and so much can change so my speculate.

 

[The Abusement Park]

This board, man

All I said was that IF Sakic burns ALL our assets and doesn't win a cup Mackinnon 'might' 'think' about signing elsewhere. Sakic isn't going to incompetently bleed the entire prospect pool dry obviously so there's nothing to worry about. Don't let that get in the way of all these panicky responses though, I'll just leave the pizza here for ya'll and be back later when things have calmed down on the Mackinnon-is-leaving-and-Makar-is-going-to-Calgary-doomsdayp parade.

Come on, you said that and didn’t expect half the board to think your were being 100% serious?

 

[Avsboy]

Cale will join his dad Gary in Calgary

 

[Richard88]

Come on, you said that and didn’t expect half the board to think your were being 100% serious?

There's "taking it serious", and then there's "three pages of drama to sift through"

 

[The Abusement Park]

There's "taking it serious", and then there's "three pages of drama to sift through"

I can’t believe you said, “Mackinnon hates it here and would be an idiot to re sign here”. What the hell!

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

What if this new top line works out..?
Landy-Rantanen-Nuke

That is an incredibly solid line makes you wonder what we could feasibly run as our other lines as when MacK comes back IF they decide to keep that line together.

Landy-Rantanen-Nuke
Trade-MacK-Burakovsky
Newhook-Kadri-LOC
Helm-Jost-NAK

Probably unlikely that those lines ever develop, but damn if Rantanen can play as a top 6 center we have some great problems moving forward.

Don't think your subliminal message bullshit got passed me, sir. f*** you for even putting these two words next to each other.

 

[flyfysher]

Come on, you said that and didn’t expect half the board to think your were being 100% serious?

Exactly!

 

[John Mandalorian]