Rumor: 2021-22 Trade Rumors and FA Part V: To Giroux or not to Giroux

[Ararana]

Avs simply have to make a move up front now though. Vegas forward depth as it stands blows ours completely out of the water.


Saw on twitter when Stone comes back in the playoffs they'll likely have lines that look like:


Dadonov - Eichel - Stone
Smith - Karlsson - Marchessault
Patches - Stephenson - Janmark
Carrier - Roy - Kolesar




Avs cant match that depth without adding at least one Top 9 forward.

Dadonov - Eichel - Stone
Smith - Karlsson - Marchessault
Patches - Stephenson - Janmark
Carrier - Roy - Kolesar

vs

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Giroux - Kadri - Burakovsky
Nuke - Newhook - LOC
Helm - Jost/Compher - NAK

Giroux is a the missing link here, Sakic needs to close this. And if Byram is back I like our defense over theirs, but that's a big if.

The game style matchup is where I think Vegas ultimately ends up getting past Colorado.

 

[Alienblood]

If that's all it is, I'm more than good with it, even if it's just a rental.

Same although I like Ranta. Sakic says they don't have much capital to play with so I doubt very much they'd trade Barron.

 

[Richard88]

A trade target for the PK and face-off enthusiasts. Toronto acquired him for a conditional 7th last year. Maybe not the worst guy you could roll out at 4C to (over-?) compensate for MacDermid's lack of defense.

 

[Richard88]

FO's don't lead to wins, but sometimes they do lead to goals. It's more exacerbated in the playoffs as goals are harder to come by, thus the mistakes get amplified by fans and media (i.g. Graves shot block or Kadri losing his man in OT against the Stars).

Goals lead to wins, and faceoff's lead to goals, so isn't it logical to conclude that faceoffs lead to wins?...

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Dadonov - Eichel - Stone
Smith - Karlsson - Marchessault
Patches - Stephenson - Janmark
Carrier - Roy - Kolesar

vs

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Giroux - Kadri - Burakovsky
Nuke - Newhook - LOC
Helm - Jost/Compher - NAK

Giroux is a the missing link here, Sakic needs to close this. And if Byram is back I like our defense over theirs, but that's a big if.

The game style matchup is where I think Vegas ultimately ends up getting past Colorado.

Even with Giroux I take that Vegas forward core pretty easily over ours tbh. But Giroux gives us a much better fighting chance and then like you said our Defense is what you have to hope can push us over the top. And maybe goaltending as well, since I dont think Lehner is nearly as reliable as Fleury.

Tbh I think it'd be another good series. People around here put way too much stock into us losing against Vegas as a complete and total failure last year but I think the reality of the situation is/was that they're a top tier team and legit cup contender as well and when you put two top tier cup contenders up against each other, somebody has to lose, just facts of the game. Last years matchup should have been a conference finals sort.

I could easily see the Avs outdueling Vegas this year, just like how I could easily see Vegas getting the better of us again. IMO you're talking about two of the Top 3 teams in the league right now. Especially if Vegas gets away with this Mark Stone LTIR until the playoffs plan like it looks like they will

 

[Avaholic29]

Dadonov - Eichel - Stone
Smith - Karlsson - Marchessault
Patches - Stephenson - Janmark
Carrier - Roy - Kolesar

vs

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Giroux - Kadri - Burakovsky
Nuke - Newhook - LOC
Helm - Jost/Compher - NAK

Giroux is a the missing link here, Sakic needs to close this. And if Byram is back I like our defense over theirs, but that's a big if.

The game style matchup is where I think Vegas ultimately ends up getting past Colorado.

Not happening. This is a new avs squad, Vegas is going down this time.

 

[Alienblood]

Giroux will cost way more than that especially if they are retaining salary.

Tyson Jost
Drew Helleson's rights
2023 1st
2024 2nd

Not sure but Arizona might take the 2023 1st instead if 2022.

 

[Pokecheque]

Same although I like Ranta. Sakic says they don't have much capital to play with so I doubt very much they'd trade Barron.

Meh, I'm pretty lukewarm on him. At best I think he's a 4th liner with serious defensive issues. But if you can parlay that into a worthy playoff rental, that's a win IMO.

 

[Avaholic29]

Even with Giroux I take that Vegas forward core pretty easily over ours tbh. But Giroux gives us a much better fighting chance and then like you said our Defense is what you have to hope can push us over the top. And maybe goaltending as well, since I dont think Lehner is nearly as reliable as Fleury.

Tbh I think it'd be another good series. People around here put way too much stock into us losing against Vegas as a complete and total failure last year but I think the reality of the situation is/was that they're a top tier team and legit cup contender as well and when you put two top tier cup contenders up against each other, somebody has to lose, just facts of the game. Last years matchup should have been a conference finals sort.

I could easily see the Avs outdueling Vegas this year, just like how I could easily see Vegas getting the better of us again. IMO you're talking about two of the Top 3 teams in the league right now. Especially if Vegas gets away with this Mark Stone LTIR until the playoffs plan like it looks like they will

Pretty easily? That’s insane to me considering what our forwards are pacing… stone and patches can’t stay healthy for the life of them, dadonov doesn’t score and Eichel has a brand new neck.

Mack > Eichel
Landeskog > patches
Rantanen = stone
Kadri >>>> Stephenson and karlsson
Nichushkin > smith


We will be fine. f*** Vegas.

 

[Richard88]

At least now we know that it was Rick Dhaliwal who made this trade thread: Value of: - Josh Anderson to either Buffalo, Washington or Washington

 

[Foppberg]

If we get Giroux.. I want us to play Vegas. It would be such a great series, and if we made it past them I think that's a gorilla off our backs and only a fully tuned Tampa could stop us.

 

[Alienblood]

Dadonov - Eichel - Stone
Smith - Karlsson - Marchessault
Patches - Stephenson - Janmark
Carrier - Roy - Kolesar

vs

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Giroux - Kadri - Burakovsky
Nuke - Newhook - LOC
Helm - Jost/Compher - NAK

Giroux is a the missing link here, Sakic needs to close this. And if Byram is back I like our defense over theirs, but that's a big if.

The game style matchup is where I think Vegas ultimately ends up getting past Colorado.

Vegas gonna get the rejuvenated Oilers in the 1st round. Go Oil !!

 

[Alienblood]

Pretty easily? That’s insane to me considering what our forwards are pacing… stone and patches can’t stay healthy for the life of them, dadonov doesn’t score and Eichel has a brand new neck.

Mack > Eichel
Landeskog > patches
Rantanen = stone
Kadri >>>> Stephenson and karlsson
Nichushkin > smith


We will be fine. f*** Vegas.

Ya Avs are superior regardless. Then facor in our much better D core and goaltending.

 

[Richard88]

Giroux will cost way more than that especially if they are retaining salary.

Tyson Jost
Drew Helleson's rights
2023 1st
2024 2nd

Helleson makes sense in theory, but that would be a risky return for Philadelphia considering that Helleson isn't signed yet and could decide to go the college free agency route in a year.

 

[Ararana]

Even with Giroux I take that Vegas forward core pretty easily over ours tbh. But Giroux gives us a much better fighting chance and then like you said our Defense is what you have to hope can push us over the top. And maybe goaltending as well, since I dont think Lehner is nearly as reliable as Fleury.

Tbh I think it'd be another good series. People around here put way too much stock into us losing against Vegas as a complete and total failure last year but I think the reality of the situation is/was that they're a top tier team and legit cup contender as well and when you put two top tier cup contenders up against each other, somebody has to lose, just facts of the game. Last years matchup should have been a conference finals sort.

I could easily see the Avs outdueling Vegas this year, just like how I could easily see Vegas getting the better of us again. IMO you're talking about two of the Top 3 teams in the league right now. Especially if Vegas gets away with this Mark Stone LTIR until the playoffs plan like it looks like they will

It's close, it's damn close. I'd take the Avs top six (with Giroux) pretty easily over Vegas', but Vegas' bottom six over the Avs'.

Defensive matchup is too up in the air. Pietro and Martinez don't look the same this year as they did last year, but I'd put big money on that changing as the playoffs near.

If Byram doesn't come back Sakic has to make a defensive move or they have a huge weakness with one of JJ/EJ/Murray in the top four.

For me, Kuemper is going to be the biggest X-factor of that potential series.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Pretty easily? That’s insane to me considering what our forwards are pacing… stone and patches can’t stay healthy for the life of them, dadonov doesn’t score and Eichel has a brand new neck.

Mack > Eichel
Landeskog > patches
Rantanen = stone
Kadri >>>> Stephenson and karlsson
Nichushkin > smith


We will be fine. f*** Vegas.

Yeah, pretty easily. Career years that will almost certainly never be matched again(Especially in the case of Kadri) isn't going to change how I view our guys.


The wingers are pretty even. Vegas Center depth simply outclass the Avs centers.

 

[forsbergavs32]

It’s getting hard to breathe with all the Giroux smoke in the room. These tweets make it almost sound like there’s something ready, just waiting for Giroux to hit 1k games with Philly.

 

[nammerus]

Ya Avs are superior regardless. Then facor in our much better D core and goaltending.

How is our Dcore superior? Our top 3 might be better, but their depth is significantly better. Like….Grand Canyon sized chasm. We have the worst bottom 3 D of any of the top contenders by far.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

It's close, it's damn close. I'd take the Avs top six (with Giroux) pretty easily over Vegas', but Vegas' bottom six over the Avs'.

Defensive matchup is too up in the air. Pietro and Martinez don't look the same this year as they did last year, but I'd put big money on that changing as the playoffs near.

If Byram doesn't come back Sakic has to make a defensive move or they have a huge weakness with one of JJ/EJ/Murray in the top four.

For me, Kuemper is going to be the biggest X-factor of that potential series.

That's fair. I think where the forwards are separated is down the middle. Vegas Center depth is ridiculous now and Jack Eichel is going to make a loot people look foolish here very quickly as well for every doubting him. He's highly motivated for perhaps the first time in his career, and he's as close to 100% healthy as he's probably ever been.


Avs need Giroux and they need a healthy Byram to compete in that series IMO. If we're missing one of those things(Or in Giroux's case it doesn't have to be Giroux but another Top 6 forward), I dont think we have much of a chance. Kuemper would need to be sensational.

 

[The Merchant]

How is our Dcore superior? Our top 3 might be better, but their depth is significantly better. Like….Grand Canyon sized chasm. We have the worst bottom 3 D of any of the top contenders by far.

The Avs have the 2nd-best 5v5 defense in the league so far this season.

 

[Richard88]

Vegas gonna get the rejuvenated Oilers in the 1st round. Go Oil !!

Oilers would win the first two games on the back of their PP firing at 50%, then DeBoer will complain about the refs and Oilers won't get another PP the rest of the series and Vegas will win it.

 

[nammerus]

The Avs have the 2nd-best 5v5 defense in the league so far this season.

Not arguing that. And that’s fine in the regular season. Just saying when the PO’s start, and we’re rolling out EJ/JJ/Murray for half the game, they’ll be exploited. Severely exploited.

You can’t really win with that D depth in the playoffs; a #5 dman and two #7 dman in your bottom 3.

 

[Vaslof]

We'll let him get in 1k games in Philly, but we'll retire his number after we win the cup.

 

[Avaholic29]

Yeah, pretty easily. Career years that will almost certainly never be matched again(Especially in the case of Kadri) isn't going to change how I view our guys.


The wingers are pretty even. Vegas Center depth simply outclass the Avs centers.

You’re entitled to your opinion I guess lol.

Eichel, karlsson, Stephenson don’t scare me.

 

[Pokecheque]

Not arguing that. And that’s fine in the regular season. Just saying when the PO’s start, and we’re rolling out EJ/JJ/Murray for half the game, they’ll be exploited. Severely exploited.

You can’t really win with that D depth in the playoffs; a #5 dman and two #7 dman in your bottom 3.

They definitely have to add someone in that bottom three. Now...getting MacDonald back adds significantly, but I still think they need another piece. While Byram would be that piece easily, that's hardly a guarantee he plays. That's why I'm pounding the table for Kulak--that right there is a reliable stay-at-home defender with decent-enough puck skill who can play a third pairing role and PK with ease. Also has a very digestible cap hit.