Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

[GoldenBearHockey]

What are you talking about? He's played 1 game in the Minnesota. I can't tell if your post is sarcastic or not.

Boldy has been fantastic since being drafted.

Exactly my point bud, he's been an animal, he's the sole reason Minnesota is where they are....if they hadn't of drafted him, they would have been regulated to the AHL

 

[DoktorJeep]

Who cares that Anderson and Bjornfot are good pros at a young age. It’s nice to see them be NHL players, that’s better than being a bust. But it doesn’t deserve high praise unless a player shows they have some special skill that makes them an impact player.

So far they’ve shown no ability to contribute on offense. And it’s unlikely they ever will. On defense neither is going to grow significantly, so they’ll never be towers on the blue line. They’ll never be pylons either, both guys are smart, agile players.

So projecting down the road, if they’re in your top four, the other two defenseman are responsible for 98% of the production. Some may say that Bjornfot has those offensive skills to be that #3 D who can put up 5g, 15pts, but he hasn’t even hinted at those skills to date. I’ve seen him try to rush the puck a couple of times, but his most lasting impression is consistently making a 10 foot pass to his D partner behind the net.

If you’re waiting for someone to show some kind of breakout night after night and it isn’t happening unless you’re a 24 year old future journeyman, it’s a sign that maybe there’s mostly a bunch of low ceiling kids playing inflated minutes with no payoff coming.

 

[johnjm22]

Exactly my point bud, he's been an animal, he's the sole reason Minnesota is where they are....if they hadn't of drafted him, they would have been regulated to the AHL

straw man

/ˌstrô ˈman/

noun

1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

Example: "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Who cares that Anderson and Bjornfot are good pros at a young age. It’s nice to see them be NHL players, that’s better than being a bust. But it doesn’t deserve high praise unless a player shows they have some special skill that makes them an impact player.

So far they’ve shown no ability to contribute on offense. And it’s unlikely they ever will. On defense neither is going to grow significantly, so they’ll never be towers on the blue line. They’ll never be pylons either, both guys are smart, agile players.

So projecting down the road, if they’re in your top four, the other two defenseman are responsible for 98% of the production. Some may say that Bjornfot has those offensive skills to be that #3 D who can put up 5g, 15pts, but he hasn’t even hinted at those skills to date. I’ve seen him try to rush the puck a couple of times, but his most lasting impression is consistently making a 10 foot pass to his D partner behind the net.

If you’re waiting for someone to show some kind of breakout night after night and it isn’t happening unless you’re a 24 year old future journeyman, it’s a sign that maybe there’s mostly a bunch of low ceiling kids playing inflated minutes with no payoff coming.

What the f*** kind of special bullshit is this?

Who cares that Bjornfoot at 20, is playing good top minutes in the best league in the NHL, if he isn't Bobby Orr I don't care.....I mean what the f***?

That's about as bad as saying you want one player who can score 30 goals vs one player who can put up 60 assists

 

[DoktorJeep]

straw man

/ˌstrô ˈman/

noun

1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

Example: "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"

Balls on dictionary

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

straw man

/ˌstrô ˈman/

noun

1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

Example: "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"

No, it's called being facetious, your argument is total garbage....Boldy is great, he's played one game, and scored one goal....OMG he would have been drafted ahead of Turcotte, that was your argument, and it's complete and utter bullshit.

 

[kilowatt]

No, it's called being facetious, your argument is total garbage....Boldy is great, he's played one game, and scored one goal....OMG he would have been drafted ahead of Turcotte, that was your argument, and it's complete and utter bullshit.

You're just wrong. He made three separate points.

1. Since being drafted, Boldy has excelled at all levels he played at.
2. He made his NHL debut the other day and scored.
3. In a redraft, he likely goes higher than Turcotte.

It's not our fault that you can't read.

 

[DoktorJeep]

What the f*** kind of special bullshit is this?

Who cares that Bjornfoot at 20, is playing good top minutes in the best league in the NHL, if he isn't Bobby Orr I don't care.....I mean what the f***?

That's about as bad as saying you want one player who can score 30 goals vs one player who can put up 60 assists

Who said anything about Bobby Orr? I’d be more excited about Bjornfot at this point if he looked more like Paul LaDue.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You're just wrong. He made three separate points.

1. Since being drafted, Boldy has excelled at all levels he played at.
2. He made his NHL debut the other day and scored.
3. In a redraft, he likely goes higher than Turcotte.

It's not our fault that you can't read.

Define excelled......

1 game does not a career make for f*** sake, he played 1 game, had a goal, hurrah, So did Yakupov....where is he now?

In a redraft does Protas go ahead of Turcotte?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Who said anything about Bobby Orr? I’d be more excited about Bjornfot at this point if he looked more like Paul LaDue.

Yea, that just tells me how little you actually know..... you would be more excited if he looked like a guy who can't play in the NHL....for f*** sake...

 

[King'sPawn]

I've never known someone's existence be so based on misreading people's arguments and hotheadedly exaggerating them to pretend he's smarter than everyone.

 

[johnjm22]

No, it's called being facetious, your argument is total garbage....Boldy is great, he's played one game, and scored one goal....OMG he would have been drafted ahead of Turcotte, that was your argument, and it's complete and utter bullshit.

That's not my "argument". I'm not saying he's been great because of his one NHL game. I'm talking about his performance in the NCAA and AHL.

I mentioned his NHL debut because it's icing on the cake. Notice I used the phrase "and of course" that would imply some irony. The irony being our prospects are struggling to score, and Boldy of course gets a goal in his debut to rub it in.

It's not really that controversial to say he'd get picked ahead of Turcotte in a draft re-do. Here's The Athletic's 2019 Draft Redo:
Re-drafting the NHL class of 2019: Would Jack Hughes still be the No. 1 pick?

They have Boldy at 8th, and Turcotte at 28th. (I don't agree with this, BTW. That's too low. They have Fagemo ahead of him)

 

[King'sPawn]

On to the issue - I love Boldy. I had him top 10 (I think 6th) on the draft. He gave me Mike Richards vibes.

Then again I had Zegras and Caufield both outside the top-10.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Oh god, not this crap again! [Insert Detroit instead of anaheim]

I'll make it easy...Had Byfield/Turcotte not got hurt he'd be playing 3rd line center and we may be talking about him like we are about Zegras or Raymond. Instead we have Kupari [a highly touted prospect] and his whopping 3g -3a in 31 games, who has shown no signs of being a regular scorer in the NHL or anything else.

This is not just exclusive to youth here. The last 3 years with the Kings, Carter was terrible and had 33 pts in 76 games, 27 in 60 and 19 in 40. He was ineffective and could not produce anywhere in the lineup or PP. He goes to Pittsburgh and has 9 goals in 14 games and a big playoffs...then has 17 pts in 27 games this year....he and Vilardi and 0 chemistry.

Most all Kings that leave here, go on to greater success and much more production. Pearson was abysmal has last season here, 0 goals, 1 assist in 17 games...goes on the Pitts and was ok and then
hits 21 goals again in Vancover 2 seasons ago. Toffoli had 13 and 18 goals his last 2 seasons here and then has 6 goals in 10 games with Van and then 28 with Mtl in 52 games last year - among
the best gpg in the league. There are others, too. Take almost any King forward and put them on another team and they put up better production. Kempe would probably be a perrennial 30 goal scorer
on some teams, honestly.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

That's not my "argument". I'm not saying he's been great because of his one NHL game. I'm talking about his performance in the NCAA and AHL.

I mentioned his NHL debut because it's icing on the cake. Notice I used the phrase "and of course" that would imply some irony. The irony being our prospects are struggling to score, and Boldy of course gets a goal in his debut to rub it in.

It's not really that controversial to say he'd get picked ahead of Turcotte in a draft re-do. Here's The Athletic's 2019 Draft Redo:
Re-drafting the NHL class of 2019: Would Jack Hughes still be the No. 1 pick?

They have Boldy at 8th, and Turcotte at 28th. (I don't agree with this, BTW. That's too low. They have Fagemo ahead of him)

He did well in both leagues, absolutely but on a very limited basis.....24 games in the AHL....and people are rushing to judgement, ala, redraft etc, Kid has played 25 games of pro hockey, and using him to model something after, is a bit much.....if anything it's way to soon to say anything about any 2019 prospect, as it is, Bjornfoot is the better Kings prospect out of 2019....

He played one NHL game, 13 minutes, shit, if LA would do that, everyone one would demand to fire the managem....oh shit, they are with Kaliyev and Kupari....

See the....irony in that?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

This is not just exclusive to youth here. The last 3 years with the Kings, Carter was terrible and had 33 pts in 76 games, 27 in 60 and 19 in 40. He was ineffective and could not produce anywhere in the lineup or PP. He goes to Pittsburgh and has 9 goals in 14 games and a big playoffs...then has 17 pts in 27 games this year....he and Vilardi and 0 chemistry.

Most all Kings that leave here, go on to greater success and much more production. Pearson was abysmal has last season here, 0 goals, 1 assist in 17 games...goes on the Pitts and was ok and then
hits 21 goals again in Vancover 2 seasons ago. Toffoli had 13 and 18 goals his last 2 seasons here and then has 6 goals in 10 games with Van and then 28 with Mtl in 52 games last year - among
the best gpg in the league. There are others, too. Take almost any King forward and put them on another team and they put up better production. Kempe would probably be a perrennial 30 goal scorer
on some teams, honestly.

I don't disagree with that, I think the style...or management....or direction, whatever word you want to use, has been, take care of the house first, offense second....I don't think they even started to change that thinking until they drafted, Turcotte, Byfield etc, and even then, it's a question mark.

The league is trending towards changing that, but years and years and years of defense wins championships, is a slow change when you have guys in charge, who have won with defense first.

 

[kinghock]

Moverare > Mikey

Mikey needs to be a trade chip.

And players from this list as well:

Athanasiou
Brown
Moore
Grundstrom
Petersen

 

[kilowatt]

Define excelled......

1 game does not a career make for f*** sake, he played 1 game, had a goal, hurrah, So did Yakupov....where is he now?

In a redraft does Protas go ahead of Turcotte?

Boldy has been at or above a point per game at every single level of hockey he's played since his draft year. USNTDP, AHL, NHL, WJC. All of them.

That's how I define "excelled".

Matt Boldy at eliteprospects.com

 

[Lt Dan]

Wagner?

 

[Peter James Bond II]

I don't disagree with that, I think the style...or management....or direction, whatever word you want to use, has been, take care of the house first, offense second....I don't think they even started to change that thinking until they drafted, Turcotte, Byfield etc, and even then, it's a question mark.

The league is trending towards changing that, but years and years and years of defense wins championships, is a slow change when you have guys in charge, who have won with defense first.

Does not matter if you agree with that. Some people take hard facts and evidence and don't accept them. Facts are facts and opinions that oppose the facts are vapid.

 

[Ghetty Green]

And players from this list as well:

Athanasiou
Brown
Moore
Grundstrom
Petersen

Agreed minus cal and grundo.

 

[Telos]

Great news guys. Evander Kane has had his contract terminated. Now the Kings can swoop in and sign him to a minimum deal.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Mikey and Toby were never 'high offense' guys at the draft. I'd argue Mikey has already excelled beyond his draft expectations and Toby is roughly fulfilling his. That doesn't mean there's a problem with drafting or them in particular, that's just the kind of value you get at those draft slots. If anything, they're emblematic of the Kings' ability to draft good, solid NHL players at all stages of the draft--the question, as always, is drafting/developing of blue chippers, and you can't fault Anderson and Bjornfot for that.

All that being said, I'm already tired of the disingenuous argument comparing Byfields AHL production to guys currently in the NHL on the grounds of none of them are coming off a f***ing broken ankle followed by covid. He was always a longer-term pick that had a setback. if you want to be impatient with Turcotte at this point fine--I'm done fighting that because some people enjoy being miserable instead of watching the guy right in front of them look amazing--but going hard at a barely-19-year-old longer-term development who is coming off an injury and illness because he didn't light up his conditioning assignment? Give me a f***ing break.

Who said anything about Bobby Orr? I’d be more excited about Bjornfot at this point if he looked more like Paul LaDue.

...come on, bro.

 

[Docgonzo]

Page after page of arguing with a brick wall, exciting stuff.

 

[Choralone]

Page after page of brick walls arguing amongst themselves. Where's Mr. Bull when you need him?