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Meh, it wasn't too late for this core. It was already over for them, and Dean could see it.
Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI
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deaderhead28
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There's so much knowledge on this thread and can't understand why this knowledge isnt put to better use for the game and the league. Definitely a few of you should go tryout as a coach,no doubt within a couple years your experience and expertise will land you a NHL job and a few cups.
kingsfan28
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Dean was so lost and out of touch in that interview. He was in complete denial that 1. Sutter had lost the team. 2. that they blew a 12 point lead and it had nothing to do with the coach, and 3. that the league was changing right before his eyes and he flat out refused to accept it. Dean then goes out and extend Sutter, changes captain, make that terrible trade with Boston, and continued with the status quo . To me , he showed no signs of figuring anything out and only got worse. As much as I loved what they did winning the 2 cups, they both should've been remove in 2015 after missing the playoffs.
McTavish - Byfield
Zegras >> Turcotte
Perreault < Kaliyev
Lundeström > Kupari
Comtais, Tracey, Pastujov, Groulx, Colangelo > Fagemo, Madden, JAD, Thomas, Laferriere
Drysdale > Clarke
Anderson
Björnfot, Faber, Spence, Grans, Kirsanov - Benoit, Mahura, Zellweger, LaCombe, Thrun, Moore
"Older guys" Terry, Steel, Jones >> Lizotte, L. Andersson, Grundström
Vilardi is a wild card, but I just have lost faith in him. I'm really dispointed how he has played this season in the AHL. When Kings sent Lias Andersson to Ontario, he pretty much dominated there. Vilardi has not done it. Another wild card is Martin Chromiak. He has impressive Rookie Face Off Tournament.
Ducks have hit two home runs (Zegras, Drysdale) and Kings have not hit any homeruns yet. I really hope, that Byfield turns out to be a good one. He just must to understand, that hockey is a team play and on the ice is a five man unit playing together, not five individuals showing their skills.
And Ducks have more capspace and - like @bland wrote - some tradeable assests.
KingsFan7824
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But not before the Lucic trade. Which I will forever defend as a GM trying to keep the lightning in the bottle by rightly not caring about the future, but when this team, with Williams on it, couldn't beat a pre-McDavid Oilers team in the last week of the season, that's when you should accept your losses on Sekera and Voynov, and just stop.
Curious, are you judging McTavish on his 9 game stint?
There's only 3 NHL regulars that you listed for the Ducks, Zegras, Drysdale, and Lundstrom, vs 2 for the Kings, Kaliyev and Kupari, the Kupari Lundstrom comparison seems fair, but how do you compare Kaliyev vs Perrault, when one is still in the OHL?
I mean, you could be 100% right, but the fact of the matter is BOTH teams need more to work out than not, I just don't see the Ducks prospect group as equal, they absolutely hit two homeruns in Zegras, and Drysdale, but you gotta believe LA did the same in Byfield and Clarke.
bland
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Curious that you don't lay any responsibility on the players that quit on Sutter. Then quit on Stevens. Then never showed up for Desjardins. Or haven't won more than one playoff game since Lombardi and Sutter were fired.
Lombardi had to sell the future to bring success to LA because what he inherited might have been excellent players but certainly weren't winners. Problem was he kept on selling and selling because he hoped that the "core" had learned how to win without its training wheels. They didn't, and Dean kept chasing the dragon.
Now that there is a future again, the same core are still struggling with the leadership responsibilities and management is still chasing that dragon. They aren't selling - yet, but the fear is that by putting prospects in positions that they cannot maximize their potential, they are readying to move them on.
They have to let it go and embrace the future, even if it upsets their fraternity.
Lucic had a good regular season and Kopi one of his best. Everyone and their blind mums could see he wouldn’t resign on the cheap tho. Except Dean I guess.
FSL KINGS
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3 points out of the wildcard after 30 games with major injuries, I'd call that being competitive.
Byfield 2nd overall, McTavish 3rd overall, so therefore I put them together. But I also think, that Byfield's ceiling is higher than McTavish'es ceiling, but also his floor is lower. I'm not judging McTavish only on his 9 NHL game stint, also his U18 WJC games. He is not nearly as good skater as Byfield, but he is naturally more aggressive and initiates contact. I like big boys and I like meaner ones more. But on the other hand Byfield is more skilled than McTavish. It's very interesting to see how McTavish does in the WJC-tournament.
Perrault is playing his second season in the AHL, not in the OHL. Last season when Ontario played agains San Diego he was a pretty insivible, this season he was noticable. He seems to be now clearly faster and stronger than last season and he doesn't hesitate to shoot (which is a good thing). Kaliyev is a lot better passer/playmaker and I belive when Arty is fully developed he will be a possession monster. Therefore Kaliyev > Perreault.
Perreault's birthdate: 2002-04-15, Kaliyev's birthdate 2001-06-26.
Listed Ducks-prospects, whose has played in the NHL: Zegras, Drysdale, Comtois, Steel, Jones, Lundeström, Groulx, Benoit, Mahura, McTavish. I really like guys like Lundeström, Benoit and Mahura. They are "unsung hero" -type of players. Every team needs their own "trevorlewis", "mattgreene" and "alecmartinez".
Yes, that is definitely the fact/the truth. Both teams have promising core, but also big holes to fill. Most likely it will take three more years to say which one had better prospect pool/situation in December 2021. One bad, career ending injury and the situation could be totally different. Lucky lottery and you can draft Shane Wright 2022 or Connor Bedard/Matvei Michkov 2023... .
The Kings are only 7 point out of first in the conference too.
KingsFan7824
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They have let it go, but haven't been able to get rid of everyone because of the cap. They got rid of who they could, when they could. That TM keeps playing Brown and Kopitar so much, that's a him decision.
Arvidsson, may not have been necessary. Danault, if used right, along with the required emergence of Byfield, should allow Kopitar to lug around 230lbs in his mid 30's more effectively.
I don't think DL thought he was going to re-sign Lucic. 15-16 was the last year of Kopitar's good contract, and DL wanted to take advantage of it while the Cups were still relevant. Williams chose to leave, and DL didn't want to quit. Yes, it hurt the team and was a stupid thing to do, but even with that being a fact, I get and support DL trying to do it. He had to. If there no Cups, or just the 2012 one, then there's no Lucic trade in 2015. That crazy run in 2014 ruined DL's thinking though. It really became just get in. Just get in, and Sutter will figure it out.
bmr
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You make some good points here, but I feel like you are slanted in favor of the Ducks. You are saying McTavish is equal to Byfield? I think Byfield will project higher. I don't disagree that Zegras > Turcotte, but the jury is still out on what Turcotte will look like in the NHL. Drysdale > Clarke? Don't agree with this. Drysdale is older and ahead in development. Clarke is putting up more points in the OHL than Drysdale. At worst I say they are a wash, with Clarke having some additional upside. There needs to be more information before I would agree with you on the rest. It's simply too early. What's your cutoff in terms of age on this prospect list?
Sol
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You can't fire players and Dean didn't do anything to shake up the core. Everyone who meant 1% of anything knew they were staying at all times.
People are delusional. Dean and Sutter completely lost the players. Both should have been canned sooner. Stevens was a terrible idea for a coach. That's on Blake. And he then hired Willie. As much as I want to rag on the players, Blake really shat the bed early on with his personnel choices.
People are delusional. Dean and Sutter completely lost the players. Both should have been canned sooner. Stevens was a terrible idea for a coach. That's on Blake. And he then hired Willie. As much as I want to rag on the players, Blake really shat the bed early on with his personnel choices.
kilowatt
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Until proven otherwise, Zegras and Drysdale are producing in the NHL and Turcotte and Clarke aren't. The reasons why or why not don't matter, as it currently stands, Zegras and Drysdale are significantly ahead of Turccote and Clarke. And I hate to break it to everyone, but McTavish has 2 goals and 5 points in 9 NHL games while Byfield has 1 assist in 6 NHL games. That's not a large enough sample size for anything, but I don't see how we can assert that Byfield is ahead of McTavish in significant any way.
I'm not down on Byfield, Turcotte, or Clarke, either. It's just that, as of right now, none of the Kings prospects are demonstrably better.
bmr
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Drysdale getting overrated. Hes a minus player on a first place team. Wed roast him on here for his defensive play if he were a king. I like him but hoping Clarke is a lot better than him. Closer to Fox/Makar than Drysdale.
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King'sPawn
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So you won't choose. Got it.
And several teams have had major injuries and issues with COVID.
kilowatt
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Fair enough. I'll revisit this conversation next year
I certainly hope that by this time next year, Byfield, Turcotte, and Clarke have closed the gap!
I think most would give him a longer leash given how young he is. I think Durzi is getting that benefit right now
kilowatt
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Fox and Makar are both '98s, Drysdale an '02, Clarke an '03. Anyone comparing them currently as if equals are misguided.
If anything, Drysdale is more advanced than the other three at comparative ages; Fox and Makar entered college (Harvard and UMass Amherst, respectively) in their D+1 years, Clarke went back to juniors, Drysdale split time in the AHL and NHL.
Different circumstances for all four guys of course, just pointing out the facts.
Even Durzi is younger than Fox and Makar, although a comparison there is more reasonable I suppose. Over the course of an 82-game season, Durzi is on pace for 8 goals and 41 points. Fox had 8 goals and 42 points in 70 games his rookie season, Makar had 12 goals and 50 points in 57 games (!)in his. Still, not bad!
42 points from Durzi would tie the best point total from a Kings defenseman other than Doughty since our last cup — Muzzin put up 42 in 74 games in 17-18.
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Drysdale is f***ing awesome and had we not moved I would have been all for him.
Personally I feel Clarke is absolutely special and I was even more surprised he dropped than that Drysdale dropped but similar phenomenon where some had him ranked as high as 1-3. But I can admit he's a bit more of a wild card, too. I think Drysdale settles in as more of a Duncan Keith, Clarke as a Hamilton, but they remain close in 'ability' being both top pairing dmen.
Clarke really excites me though because I think of how pumped we were to just have Durzi giving some creativity from the back end and Clarke is an absolute savant, it'll be the closest thing this franchise has had to Brent Burns/Erik Karlsson maybe ever.
Personally I feel Clarke is absolutely special and I was even more surprised he dropped than that Drysdale dropped but similar phenomenon where some had him ranked as high as 1-3. But I can admit he's a bit more of a wild card, too. I think Drysdale settles in as more of a Duncan Keith, Clarke as a Hamilton, but they remain close in 'ability' being both top pairing dmen.
Clarke really excites me though because I think of how pumped we were to just have Durzi giving some creativity from the back end and Clarke is an absolute savant, it'll be the closest thing this franchise has had to Brent Burns/Erik Karlsson maybe ever.
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I reject that it is a binary choice. Get Doughty back who has only played 11 of 30 games so far & swap Moore or Grundstrom for Byfield & Kings should see an improvement in play, even with Brown playing with Kopi.
Yog S'loth
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lmao
they called up Byfield on Tuesday and gave him covid on Wednesday
what a shitshow the whole league is right now
all the leagues are
they called up Byfield on Tuesday and gave him covid on Wednesday
what a shitshow the whole league is right now
all the leagues are
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