Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread Part VI

[Stimpythecat]

After hearing the news/rumors that Florida is shut down until after Christmas, anyone else worried that the Kings will catch it from them?

 

[KINGS17]

No, it doesn't have to have anything to do with Kopitar and Doughty.

Chychrun is 23, I don't know why some folks are acting like he's a 27 year old UFA. He fits BOTH Doughty's AND Clarke's timelines nearly perfectly--that's my thought on it.

Now if you want to say he's not worth the trade value, you're not sold on his ability/unproven, sure--but it's got nothing to do with 'rushing'. This is one of the Kings' two major prospect weaknesses with the ability of being addressed with a sure thing (LHD, G) so of course it's worth discussion.

People will have major philosophical disagreements here and that's fine--we need to (not you @KINGS17, this is a general observation) not be at each other's throats for differing opinions here.

...unless you're basing it solely on plus/minus, lol, Show yourself the exit

I am fine with trading for Chychrun, will Kopitar and a 1st get it done?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I am fine for trading for Chychrun, will Kopitar and a 1st get it done?

Nah, AZ isn't interested in the actual player, he has to be in actual LTIRetirement first

 

[apocalypse]

What would you all do if Chychrun was offered for Byfield, straight up? Pull the trigger, or pass?

Absolutely pass. Byfield has massive potential. Definitley a bad trade by LA if they did this. I don't think you trade for Chychrun, especially right now. We have too many pieces that need to fall into place and trading one/two away could create holes in the future. The lineup in one year could be this:

Arvy/Kopi/Kempe
Vilardi/Byfield/Kaliyev
Iafallo/Danault/AA
Lemieux/Lizzotte/Grundstrom

Doughty/Anderson
Edler/Roy
Durzi/Walker

Great lineup without Chychrun and that's not even including the dmen that are coming up: Grans, Faber, Clarke(in a couple more years). Don't trade for JC.

 

[Kudelski37]

After hearing the news/rumors that Florida is shut down until after Christmas, anyone else worried that the Kings will catch it from them?

I'm worried since I bought 8 tickets to the game against the Caps. If it is rescheduled, I am probably stuck with 6 tickets that I don't need and can't sell.

 

[LAKings88]

Absolutely pass. Byfield has massive potential. Definitley a bad trade by LA if they did this. I don't think you trade for Chychrun, especially right now. We have too many pieces that need to fall into place and trading one/two away could create holes in the future. The lineup in one year could be this:

Arvy/Kopi/Kempe
Vilardi/Byfield/Kaliyev
Iafallo/Danault/AA
Lemieux/Lizzotte/Grundstrom

Doughty/Anderson
Edler/Roy
Durzi/Walker

Great lineup without Chychrun and that's not even including the dmen that are coming up: Grans, Faber, Clarke(in a couple more years). Don't trade for JC.

They are all right handed. Chychrun is also big and can play physical.

Faber I think will be very good in all honesty. Maybe make Walker expendable.

Chychrun is the piece they are looking for and now is the time.

 

[Fishhead]

I'm still not completely sold on Chychrun. He's got tools and his talent is undeniable, but offensively last year looks like an anomaly, not the norm. He's struggling right now a bit, but at worst he's a top shutdown guy. My biggest concern is he misses a lot of games for a guy so young. Some context: over his entire career Marian Gaborik averaged 5 more games per season than Chychrun. If I give up key assets I'd rather it not be for a guy who averages a little over 50 games per year.

I don't trade Byfield, Kaliyev, or Clarke for sure. If I were Arizona I would at least ask for Turcotte, one of Anderson/Bjornfot, and a first.

 

[Peter James Bond III]

So annoying to see Troy Terry at 30 points and Zegras at 25 points and Turcotte and Byfield can’t put up points in the AHL

And why is Tkachev (KA CHEFF) ‘Kotiev’ KO TEE EFF with the Reign?
I thought it was some other player…until i was actually seeing on AHL TV that it was Tkachev. Lol

 

[DoktorJeep]

Frk not messing around with Hults.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I miss Tkachev.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

So annoying to see Troy Terry at 30 points and Zegras at 25 points and Turcotte and Byfield can’t put up points in the AHL

And why is Tkachev (KA CHEFF) ‘Kotiev’ KO TEE EFF with the Reign?
I thought it was some other player…until i was actually seeing on AHL TV that it was Tkachev. Lol

Yeah. Blake probably doesn’t have a lot of time left by this kind of stuff alone.

It’s going to take a few more years to see how these picks actually turn out, but we’re not off to a good start.

And let’s be real, Conor Mcdavid would be a 70pt checking center here.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

So annoying to see Troy Terry at 30 points and Zegras at 25 points and Turcotte and Byfield can’t put up points in the AHL

And why is Tkachev (KA CHEFF) ‘Kotiev’ KO TEE EFF with the Reign?
I thought it was some other player…until i was actually seeing on AHL TV that it was Tkachev. Lol

Kings have had an identity crisis since Bluc took over. I think that more than anything has hampered development and it doesn’t help when they are hiring buddies to be doing their development.

 

[johnjm22]

So annoying to see Troy Terry at 30 points and Zegras at 25 points and Turcotte and Byfield can’t put up points in the AHL

And Anaheim is in 1st place.

Our highly regarded prospect pool is looking pretty overrated right now.

Kupari sucks. Vilardi sucks. Andersson is a bust. Kaliyev is good at one thing and sucks at everything else. Turcotte and JAD are bottom sixers in the NHL. Fagemo is nothing. Anderson and Bjornfot might be Alec Martinez level one day. Clarke is scoring in JUNIOR, he's far from a sure thing. Byfield lacks the scoring touch and soft hands to be a big scorer in the NHL, all his rush scoring in junior won't translate to the big leagues.

Lizotte is pretty good forth liner though. That was a good pickup.

 

[Schmooley]

And Anaheim is in 1st place.

Our highly regarded prospect pool is looking pretty overrated right now.

Kupari sucks. Vilardi sucks. Andersson is a bust. Kaliyev is good at one thing and sucks at everything else. Turcotte and JAD are bottom sixers in the NHL. Fagemo is nothing. Anderson and Bjornfot might be Alec Martinez level one day. Clarke is scoring in JUNIOR, he's far from a sure thing. Byfield lacks the scoring touch and soft hands to be a big scorer in the NHL, all his rush scoring in junior won't translate to the big leagues.

Lizotte is pretty good forth liner though. That was a good pickup.

All of them should be in the NHL. Terry is 24 and finally breaking out after learning on the job. Zegras was weak in his first callup last season and went down briefly then had a better end to last season. Started slow this season and figured it out without being jerked around and sent to the AHL.
Kings are keeping guys in the AHL and brought in guys like Danault and Arvidsson instead.
If the prospects had a leash as long as Brown and Moore maybe one would be playing in the top six right now.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

And Anaheim is in 1st place.

Our highly regarded prospect pool is looking pretty overrated right now.

Kupari sucks. Vilardi sucks. Andersson is a bust. Kaliyev is good at one thing and sucks at everything else. Turcotte and JAD are bottom sixers in the NHL. Fagemo is nothing. Anderson and Bjornfot might be Alec Martinez level one day. Clarke is scoring in JUNIOR, he's far from a sure thing. Byfield lacks the scoring touch and soft hands to be a big scorer in the NHL, all his rush scoring in junior won't translate to the big leagues.

Lizotte is pretty good forth liner though. That was a good pickup.

ANA has like 4 games in hand on everyone else...settle down on handing them the division, they are most likely in 4th place right now.

Besides that, you might need a drink...and some meds.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Welp, so long Gabe, lord knows you don't dare question your overlords

 

[FSL KINGS]

Welp, so long Gabe, lord knows you don't dare question your overlords

Vilardi did lose his spot to Kupari when he caught a break holding onto the center position when Byfield was injured. King's could really use him, but he's down in the AHL learning wing because he doesn't have the trade value to bring a good one in right now. The situation is frustrating for everyone.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Tkachev has more assists in less games than Turcotte has points.

We're all doomed. Our prospects are all bums and we'll never win the lottery.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Tkachev is 26 and has been playing against men for years. He needs another shot in the NHL immediately

 

[Herby]

So annoying to see Troy Terry at 30 points and Zegras at 25 points and Turcotte and Byfield can’t put up points in the AHL

And why is Tkachev (KA CHEFF) ‘Kotiev’ KO TEE EFF with the Reign?
I thought it was some other player…until i was actually seeing on AHL TV that it was Tkachev. Lol

Anaheim is either evaluating or developing young players better than LA, probably both. It's the sad reality of the situation, the results don't lie. The Kings have made a lot of poor decisions on their young players too. Turcotte playing pro hockey last year did significant damage to his offensive upside that sadly may never be able to be fixed based on historical evidence of similar players. He will play in the league and be an effective middle-six player, but you are expecting significant offensive production from a player who the last time he was a dominant offensive player was at the NTDP when he was 17. Then they basically hand Vilardi a scoring line spot before he was ready, the skating may have doomed him regardless, but they should have let him dominate the AHL for atleast a few months last season.

As far as Tkachev, probably just another AAAA player, to good for the AHL but not good enough for the show. Guys like this come over all the time and when they don't make it they usually return home, I expect the same thing to happen here. It was a decent shot for a team that hasn't been able to develop scorers, give them credit for atleast bringing him over.

Welp, so long Gabe, lord knows you don't dare question your overlords

Really wish he didn't add the last part in, I get it he's being honest but it just seems like he is being immature and denying reality. He doesn't skate well enough to be a scoring line center in the NHL and he doesn't have the skill-set to be a bottom six-center. The Kings are trying to salvage Gabe as a 2nd line winger and he seems pissed about it, if he wants to play center his future is probably overseas.

 

[ru4reals]

Just lost of words at the moment. You can only try to be positive for so long I guess. Need to take some time off from the team for my health. LOL.

 

[Schmooley]

Anaheim is either evaluating or developing young players better than LA, probably both. It's the sad reality of the situation, the results don't lie. The Kings have made a lot of poor decisions on their young players too. Turcotte playing pro hockey last year did significant damage to his offensive upside that sadly may never be able to be fixed based on historical evidence of similar players. He will play in the league and be an effective middle-six player, but you are expecting significant offensive production from a player who the last time he was a dominant offensive player was at the NTDP when he was 17. Then they basically hand Vilardi a scoring line spot before he was ready, the skating may have doomed him regardless, but they should have let him dominate the AHL for atleast a few months last season.

As far as Tkachev, probably just another AAAA player, to good for the AHL but not good enough for the show. Guys like this come over all the time and when they don't make it they usually return home, I expect the same thing to happen here. It was a decent shot for a team that hasn't been able to develop scorers, give them credit for atleast bringing him over.



Really wish he didn't add the last part in, I get it he's being honest but it just seems like he is being immature and denying reality. He doesn't skate well enough to be a scoring line center in the NHL and he doesn't have the skill-set to be a bottom six-center. The Kings are trying to salvage Gabe as a 2nd line winger and he seems pissed about it, if he wants to play center his future is probably overseas.

I dont know if playing pro hurts development as bad as you think. Kaliyev is learning on the job and hes gotten a lot better since the beginning of the year. You are probably right about Turcotte he probably needs some time because of his size and the game he plays. Each player is different. But when most of the guys are moving along this slow it really raises some questions.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Exactly. Kings are not giving the kids the chance Anaheim has given these kids the past few years because they cannot fully rebuild. It’s always a partial rebuild which is why there is Arvidsson, Danault, and Edler.

Even under Lombardi was it a full rebuild? He brought in guys like Preissing, Calder, Handzus, Thornton, Naggy, Blake. It seems like no GM in LA can do what Anaheim or Ottawa has done and literally deal all the vets except a few and give the young kids most of the top nine forward spots and see what happens. What youth are in the Kings top 9? Kempe and Kupari - that’s it. Ottawa and Ducks don’t have Brown, Arvidsson, Iafallo, Danault, Moore in the top 9.

 

[raswilliam]

the sky is falling

/sarcasm

 

[TruKingFan]

the sky is falling

/sarcasm

Always is around here.