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Development camp roster announced. No Kaliyev, according to Hoven personal issue, expected to participate in the rookie tourney in September. Due to the late development camp date, there are a lot of camp invites, especially on defense as many of the Kings European players are already committed over there and unable to attend. Most interested to see how Clarke, Meehan, Lee, Chromiak and Pinelli look.

 
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regulate said:
Development camp roster announced. No Kaliyev, according to Hoven personal issue, expected to participate in the rookie tourney in September. Due to the late development camp date, there are a lot of camp invites, especially on defense as many of the Kings European players are already committed over there and unable to attend. Most interested to see how Clarke, Meehan, Lee, Chromiak and Pinelli look.

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Probably has that prostate exam appointment since he just turned 40 in June.
 
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regulate said:
Development camp roster announced. No Kaliyev, according to Hoven personal issue, expected to participate in the rookie tourney in September. Due to the late development camp date, there are a lot of camp invites, especially on defense as many of the Kings European players are already committed over there and unable to attend. Most interested to see how Clarke, Meehan, Lee, Chromiak and Pinelli look.

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No Kaliyev, but Blake and Emerson’s kids are invites. Maybe everyone will go for ice cream afterwards.
 
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Statto said:
Under normal circumstances I’d agree completely and I know fully you get this stuff far better than I do (you’re also more objective). However the flat cap skews everything. My take is that right now teams want cheap players on their roster and if a spot is going to be available it will go to one of their prospects as opposed to someone they claim. Those guys are on ELC’s, are waiver exempt and that they have full contract control over. They will,also have their own Lizottes that they don’t want to waive unless they have to. I just don’t see bottom 6/bubble guys on a bottom 8 team (20/21) being that high on the list of wants for many teams at all and even fewer that will want to give up picks for these guys. They are on RFA deals, have one way contracts and add in that they are not waiver exempt, it just makes them unattractive.

Which is why once we get to the point of final rosters being set and guys being waived prior to the opening night I think it’s highly doubtful anyone gets claimed. If it were me… I should add at this point I really like Grundström and Lizotte in particular and would hate losing them for nothing.

I do agree though that you are absolutely right in that they will be more concerned with protecting asset value (than I am) and waiving anyone is likely to be once we get a few weeks into the season. At that stage they will be more certain how ready guys are for promotion and players are even less likely to be claimed. As Blake has been measured in everything (which I’m ok with) he is most likely going to continue in that vein.
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I hadn't considered the impact of the flat cap on the trade market... so good point.

HOWEVER... my initial thoughts after mulling it over for a beat are as follows.

The flat cap could theoretically make those types of players more appealing. They would fill any spots on a roster for minimal cost/cap hit while also not tying a team down to a long term commitment. While any trade isn't as simple as waving a magic "cus I want it to happen" trade wand but I have to imagine if Kurtis MacDermid can fetch a 4th, then so can the types of players the Kings may be looking to move on from.

I know which players I would personally prefer to see on the roster, which ones I would prefer to see in Ontario and which ones I would value as trade assets but I ain't silly enough to say it out loud.

I just hope the Kings brass sees things the same way I do... or if they don't that they're smarter than me.
 
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No Kaliyev, but Blake and Emerson’s kids are invites. Maybe everyone will go for ice cream afterwards.
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Do you not remember that time the coach's kid got an invite at age 16? And proceeded to kick everyone's ass in drills?

And then the Kings drafted him a couple years later, and he came in and scored a goal in his first NHL game?

...and I mean, then vanished off the face of the earth shortly thereafter, but that's neither here nor there
 
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Yog S'loth said:
Do you not remember that time the coach's kid got an invite at age 16? And proceeded to kick everyone's ass in drills?

And then the Kings drafted him a couple years later, and he came in and scored a goal in his first NHL game?

...and I mean, then vanished off the face of the earth shortly thereafter, but that's neither here nor there
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I think Coach Todd’s boys are playing NCAA hockey.
 
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Yog S'loth said:
Do you not remember that time the coach's kid got an invite at age 16? And proceeded to kick everyone's ass in drills?

And then the Kings drafted him a couple years later, and he came in and scored a goal in his first NHL game?

...and I mean, then vanished off the face of the earth shortly thereafter, but that's neither here nor there
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Did we forget Brady Murray in the 'He Played For The Kings' thread?
 
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johnjm22 said:
Did we forget Brady Murray in the 'He Played For The Kings' thread?
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Did anyone mention Sidney Crosby? :naughty:
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Could gave been on 33's nephew, I don't remember.

I liked Noah Clarke as a prospect. Lots of skating prowess and solid hands. His shoulder was destroyed and so was his hip if I remember right and he never came back from it.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
These are all great points re cap and roster moves but I guess in short my belief is that this will be a genuine camp competition for spots rather than a 'we actually already have the roster set on paper' thing. Like, if Turcotte comes in and absolutely thrashes everything, I can't believe they'd send him down over one of the other guys. I'm not advocating a wholesale swap of bubble guys for prospects or anything but I want to believe the roster is more fluid, otherwise those concerns about prospects being 'blocked' gets legitimized a bit.

That's not to say I want Turcotte playing 4LW over 1C in Ontario by any means but I think you guys get the point.
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I was checking Q&A with John Hoven today on his site.
He is getting a lot of questions from delusional fans of other teams.
Here is from Rangers fan: What are the Kings plans for Turcotte and Kupari? Will they be used in trades to fill other needs?
Here is from Buffalo fan: If Kings enter the Eichel talks and you’re GM for the day, who in the Kings prospect pool is considered un tradeable prospect?
They still dreaming about Kings prospects.
 
kinghock said:
I was checking Q&A with John Hoven today on his site.
He is getting a lot of questions from delusional fans of other teams.
Here is from Rangers fan: What are the Kings plans for Turcotte and Kupari? Will they be used in trades to fill other needs?
Here is from Buffalo fan: If Kings enter the Eichel talks and you’re GM for the day, who in the Kings prospect pool is considered un tradeable prospect?
They still dreaming about Kings prospects.
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I wouldn’t mind dangling Kupari while his value is still solid. Frees up a roster spot for one of the more promising prospects while hopefully filling a need in the process.
 
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I wouldn’t mind dangling Kupari while his value is still solid. Frees up a roster spot for one of the more promising prospects while hopefully filling a need in the process.
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I believe you are really undervaluing Kupari.
According our internal pool he is our sixth best prospect and we have the best prospects in the NHL
The only position I would trade Kupari for is really elite goaltending prospect.
 
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Deaders Ghost said:
I wouldn’t mind dangling Kupari while his value is still solid. Frees up a roster spot for one of the more promising prospects while hopefully filling a need in the process.
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Honestly right now I wanna see how this roster shakes out before trading anyone. We already have to many forwards and defenseman. I am not sure we have a need due to so many unknowns if after say 25-30 games there is a glaring need or someone hasn't stepped more so then yes dangle someone like Kupari but not until we know for sure what we need. This comes from someone who loves trades so i don't say it lightly
 
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kinghock said:
I believe you are really undervaluing Kupari.
According our internal pool he is our sixth best prospect and we have the best prospects in the NHL
The only position I would trade Kupari for is really elite goaltending prospect.
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Kupari is a complete top-6 or bust one trick pony at this point.

When his speed fails to beat the D, he runs out of tricks & becomes the poster boy for ineffective perimeter play, without any tangible positives on the defensive side of the puck. Unless he finds some more tools for his toolbox, I do not see him being an NHL player for very long, especially not on the kings, without tremendous growth.
 
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