Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster discussion part IV Playoffs? I Danault

[lumbergh]

Happy Byfield B-day everyone!

Happy Byf-Day?

 

[RaymondReddington]

Worse comes to worse, they can Jeff Gillooly a few guys and put them on IR I guess :shrug:

Or even better LTIR like the Blackhosers do

 

[All The Kings Men]

Trevor Moore played 12 minutes a game at ES last season. 7th among forwards (100 minute minimum)

Of the 6 players above him only 5 remain. Even with Arvidsson and Danault taking minutes and Vilardi/JAD/Byfield/whomever playing 3C.... as @bland has said repeatedly... Trevor Moore is not a 4th line player.


There will be no taxi squad this season.

 

[All The Kings Men]

I therefore am assuming that they have budgeted to allow the possibility that at least one or two guys do have to go to Ontario and earn their NHL salaries. I’m sure they don’t want that to happen but if for example they decide Byfield or Turcotte is 100% ready they aren’t worrying about Lizotte clearing waivers, they will just have to risk it and will swallow it if needed.

Lizotte and Grundy would get claimed IMO but the rest will pass through, both may be worth a pick. Wagner and Frk have no value on the market from what I have seen. Dunno, it’s complicated and you are right it’s a great problem to have.

That's why I said I could see it happening at the start... a month. Maybe two.

But at some point if one of the prospects proves that they need to be in the lineup today instead of another player... then that replaced player has far more value as a trade piece than as a drain on financial resources and ice time in Ontario.

EDIT: and YOU may not be worried about Lizotte or Grundstrom getting claimed on waivers... but the just completed draft should make it perfectly clear the value of having extra late round draft picks to maneuver with.

If there are too many prospects ready to make the jump that the Kings are putting 3 or 4 players on waivers that have serious NHL experience.... then trade them.

I should stop before I get fired.

 

[Gjwrams]

That's why I said I could see it happening at the start... a month. Maybe two.

But at some point if one of the prospects proves that they need to be in the lineup today instead of another player... then that replaced player has far more value as a trade piece than as a drain on financial resources and ice time in Ontario.

EDIT: and YOU may not be worried about Lizotte or Grundstrom getting claimed on waivers... but the just completed draft should make it perfectly clear the value of having extra late round draft picks to maneuver with.

If there are too many prospects ready to make the jump that the Kings are putting 3 or 4 players on waivers that have serious NHL experience.... then trade them.

I should stop before I get fired.

100% agree Jesse. I expect the Kings to have acquired 3-4 more additional later round picks by the time the dust settles.

 

[Lt Dan]

There will be no taxi squad this season.

What will we do with Latka?

 

[All The Kings Men]

What will we do with Latka?

I prefer apple sauce but some people like sour cream...

 

[Ginger Papa]

Hi everyone.

For those who don’t subscribe to THG. He’s not an insider or anything, just a fan of the Game who does a nice job of keeping up with the NHL and puts out a fair amount of content, which is nice during the off-season.

I thought some of you might enjoy his Season preview for the Team during these slow news days of August, or perhaps share this with someone just learning about your Team.

I find that although THG isn’t the most exciting personality, he breaks things down nicely for those newer to the Game or looking for regular content of the non-biased variety.

Cheers,



Oh, and some memes for @LT Dan & @Ziggy Stardust

 

[FSL KINGS]

Hi everyone.

For those who don’t subscribe to THG. He’s not an insider or anything, just a fan of the Game who does a nice job of keeping up with the NHL and puts out a fair amount of content, which is nice during the off-season.

I thought some of you might enjoy his Season preview for the Team during these slow news days of August, or perhaps share this with someone just learning about your Team.

I find that although THG isn’t the most exciting personality, he breaks things down nicely for those newer to the Game or looking for regular content of the non-biased variety.

Cheers,



Oh, and some memes for @LT Dan & @Ziggy Stardust
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Unlike the many East coast press people, THG actually watches some Kings games. His commentary on the King's is pretty good most of the time.
Also a fan of Vilardi.

The black cat is named Shadow.

 

[Lt Dan]

Hi everyone.

For those who don’t subscribe to THG. He’s not an insider or anything, just a fan of the Game who does a nice job of keeping up with the NHL and puts out a fair amount of content, which is nice during the off-season.

I thought some of you might enjoy his Season preview for the Team during these slow news days of August, or perhaps share this with someone just learning about your Team.

I find that although THG isn’t the most exciting personality, he breaks things down nicely for those newer to the Game or looking for regular content of the non-biased variety.

Cheers,



Oh, and some memes for @LT Dan & @Ziggy Stardust
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Thank you

I actually love THG's analysis

 

[Ghetty Green]

Unlike the many East coast press people, THG actually watches some Kings games. His commentary on the King's is pretty good most of the time.
Also a fan of Vilardi.

The black cat is named Shadow.

That's because he is in Vancouver. No east coast bias

 

[Schrute farms]

Thank you

I actually love THG's analysis

Me too

 

[Sol]

Happy Byf-Day?

Happy Bilf day indeed

 

[Statto]

That's why I said I could see it happening at the start... a month. Maybe two.

But at some point if one of the prospects proves that they need to be in the lineup today instead of another player... then that replaced player has far more value as a trade piece than as a drain on financial resources and ice time in Ontario.

EDIT: and YOU may not be worried about Lizotte or Grundstrom getting claimed on waivers... but the just completed draft should make it perfectly clear the value of having extra late round draft picks to maneuver with.

If there are too many prospects ready to make the jump that the Kings are putting 3 or 4 players on waivers that have serious NHL experience.... then trade them.

I should stop before I get fired.

Under normal circumstances I’d agree completely and I know fully you get this stuff far better than I do (you’re also more objective). However the flat cap skews everything. My take is that right now teams want cheap players on their roster and if a spot is going to be available it will go to one of their prospects as opposed to someone they claim. Those guys are on ELC’s, are waiver exempt and that they have full contract control over. They will,also have their own Lizottes that they don’t want to waive unless they have to. I just don’t see bottom 6/bubble guys on a bottom 8 team (20/21) being that high on the list of wants for many teams at all and even fewer that will want to give up picks for these guys. They are on RFA deals, have one way contracts and add in that they are not waiver exempt, it just makes them unattractive.

Which is why once we get to the point of final rosters being set and guys being waived prior to the opening night I think it’s highly doubtful anyone gets claimed. If it were me… I should add at this point I really like Grundström and Lizotte in particular and would hate losing them for nothing.

I do agree though that you are absolutely right in that they will be more concerned with protecting asset value (than I am) and waiving anyone is likely to be once we get a few weeks into the season. At that stage they will be more certain how ready guys are for promotion and players are even less likely to be claimed. As Blake has been measured in everything (which I’m ok with) he is most likely going to continue in that vein.

 

[Statto]

Thank you

I actually love THG's analysis

He’s great. I usually watch one of his videos daily. As was said he’s no insider, and doesn’t pretend to be, but he has a decent understanding of what’s going on in the league and is a better source of game reviews than both nhl.com and TSN in my view. Great guy that seems to quite like LA also. He must live hockey 24 x 7 x 365.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

These are all great points re cap and roster moves but I guess in short my belief is that this will be a genuine camp competition for spots rather than a 'we actually already have the roster set on paper' thing. Like, if Turcotte comes in and absolutely thrashes everything, I can't believe they'd send him down over one of the other guys. I'm not advocating a wholesale swap of bubble guys for prospects or anything but I want to believe the roster is more fluid, otherwise those concerns about prospects being 'blocked' gets legitimized a bit.

That's not to say I want Turcotte playing 4LW over 1C in Ontario by any means but I think you guys get the point.

 

[cyclones22]

Yep is it a true meritocracy or not?

 

[Basilisk]

Confused on something. Late last week (or early this week?), there was a bunch of board chatter about how we reached 50 of 50 contracts. Now the Cap Friendly site is saying we're @ 49/50 (it said 50/50 just a couple of days ago!!).


Los Angeles Kings Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps


Are peeps miscounting?


Thanks!!!

 

[Basilisk]

"...The Kings have now signed all of their qualified restricted free agents for the 2021-22 season, and officially have 50 players under NHL contracts. ..."

LA Kings re-sign defenseman Jacob Moverare to one-year, two-way contract, $750,000 AAV - LA Kings Insider

 

[Master Yoda]

Confused on something. Late last week (or early this week?), there was a bunch of board chatter about how we reached 50 of 50 contracts. Now the Cap Friendly site is saying we're @ 49/50 (it said 50/50 just a couple of days ago!!).


Los Angeles Kings Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps


Are peeps miscounting?


Thanks!!!

They just loaned Helenius to the Finnish club. My guess is his contract now officially slides.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Yep is it a true meritocracy or not?

Not really on board for a Buffalo, Edmonton or Toronto rebuild. Got to turn the corner & see where things end up. May still take a year or two, to get everything in place.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Any forward making over $1m is safe I think, so that's 10 guys. Grundstrom, Lizotte, and Frk have 1 way deals, but no cap hit if they get sent down. Andersson, Tynan, and Burke on 2 way deals. Then the ELCs. You figure Vilardi has a spot since he played a full season in the NHL. That's 11 guys all but locked in. They have 28 forwards under contract that will play pro, plus 3-5 guys on AHL only deals. Even if they lose someone on waivers, they have plenty of guys to fill in.

 

[The Lukeman]

Any forward making over $1m is safe I think, so that's 10 guys. Grundstrom, Lizotte, and Frk have 1 way deals, but no cap hit if they get sent down. Andersson, Tynan, and Burke on 2 way deals. Then the ELCs. You figure Vilardi has a spot since he played a full season in the NHL. That's 11 guys all but locked in. They have 28 forwards under contract that will play pro, plus 3-5 guys on AHL only deals. Even if they lose someone on waivers, they have plenty of guys to fill in.

If we lost someone to waivers, like Lizotte, I would not be stressing. We are at the contract limit (-1 if you slide Clarke) and we do not have enough spots. Only waiver players I would care about are Clague and Grundstrom, and even then its not by much. Many of these guys are on their way out after this season anyways.

I still think Blake is going to have 1 more trade coming before the waiver deadline. Probably something small, but it would likely address our crowded bottom 6.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I ain't giving up my "dream" until the new host actually completes his first taping:

Alex Trebek Felt CNN's Laura Coates & L.A. Kings Announcer, Alex Faust, Would Be Great Hosts for 'Jeopardy!" Will They Get a Shot Now? | Michael Fairman TV

BTW: this is the first I've heard Trebek himself actually literally vouched for Faust - mildly curious why, given that, he never got even a one-off guest-host shot (maybe the producers watched a recent Kings' broadcast, harhar)??

 

[DoktorJeep]

Lizotte and Wagner are prime candidates for “good soldier” trades. Send them to Minnesota and Calgary for a fifth/sixth round pick. If they’re going to be career AHL’ers, being in their home areas will make that easier. Similar to Amadio going to the Sens and signing on with the Leafs. Frk is a guy who has shown a willingness to play at the AHL level, so he can go to the Reign.

The problem is that it won’t happen in camp with the league wide roster glut. So we’ll have to wait till February to see it happen. Right around the same time we’re throwing in the towel on the season and calling up fresh meat. And if we’re in the hunt for a playoff spot, it will be on the backs of aging vets and tweeners pulling off career years. So in that scenario, you need to get real comfortable with cheering on Lizotte, Wagner and Frk.