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Speculation: 2021-22 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster discussion part III

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Interesting stat: over the past three seasons, Danault has 113 even-strength points, good for 25th-best among centers. Kopitar has 106, coming in at 32nd. In that same time period, Danault has the fourth-highest shorthanded time-on-ice, trailing only Anthony Cirelli, Travis Zajac, and Blake Coleman (and 14 minutes away from the most). He's also elite in faceoffs, with the sixth-most faceoff wins over the same three year period.

We just signed one of the best defensive forwards in the game. If that means one of Kopitar or Danault can play a more offensive game, or even if it means that Byfield and Vilardi can line up against weaker matchups and play as offensively as possible, I'm all in.

Is the contract a year or two too long? Yeah, probably. That's the price we pay though.
 
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kilowatt said:
Interesting stat: over the past three seasons, Danault has 113 even-strength points, good for 25th-best among centers. Kopitar has 106, coming in at 32nd. In that same time period, Danault has the fourth-highest shorthanded time-on-ice, trailing only Anthony Cirelli, Travis Zajac, and Blake Coleman (and 14 minutes away from the most). He's also elite in faceoffs, with the sixth-most faceoff wins over the same three year period.

We just signed one of the best defensive forwards in the game. If that means one of Kopitar or Danault can play a more offensive game, or even if it means that Byfield and Vilardi can line up against weaker matchups and play as offensively as possible, I'm all in.

Is the contract a year or two too long? Yeah, probably. That's the price we pay though.
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Right. Call it the LA tax.
 
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Not a horrible move, but term is long. At worst, we will have a 3/4C down the road that is overpaid by $2 million. The big benefit is easing Kopitar's defensive responsibilities, and easing in Byfield. I would be more concerned about term if it was a winger that is skill only. Those are the worst because when they stop scoring, they are useless.
 
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KingPuckChoo said:
i would be shocked at the overall low productivity that the NHL generates and would seriously need to re-evaluate their rules

If 30 goals in 205 GP is seriously ranked top 20 scorer over 3 years then it's time to watch some soccer

**edit unless we differ even on the definition of "SCORER"? What do you mean by scorer?
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lmao, what a response to cold hard facts. "If danault is good the NHL is bad."


KingPuckChoo said:
i know, say that to them

but of course it's easier to silence ONE than FOUR

but i didn't say anything other than the Danault signing is a major overpayment
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Buddy you don't break any rules usually, if we wanted you 'silenced,' you'd be silenced.

You're entitled to your opinoins just as everyone else is to slaughter them.

This is the "do these pants make me look fat?" "no, your fat makes you look fat" of responses, man. Drop the victim complex. People gang up on your takes because they're terrible, not because they don't like you. You're a lot of fun when you're not tripling down on bad opinions--like your mysterious disappearance from beating up on Quick in 2018.
 
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AlphaBravo said:
Not a horrible move, but term is long. At worst, we will have a 3/4C down the road that is overpaid by $2 million. The big benefit is easing Kopitar's defensive responsibilities, and easing in Byfield. I would be more concerned about term if it was a winger that is skill only. Those are the worst because when they stop scoring, they are useless.
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Sometimes that extra year is what seals the deal, which is how the Kings were able to land Willie Mitchell. Had the Kings missed out on him and Danault signed with Vegas, we’d see many posters bemoaning the Kings for missing out on another free agent.

Given what the likes of Schwartz, Hyman and Hoffman signed for, and you factor in everything else that Danault brings, I think the Kings will stand to benefit quite a bit with him in the lineup, drawing valuable minutes.

This signing will also impact the development of the young centers. Danault had Suzuki and Kotkaniemi as underlings in Montreal. Taking pressure off Kopitar, Vilardi, JAD, etc., is going to benefit the Kings in the long run.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
lmao, what a response to cold hard facts. "If danault is good the NHL is bad."





Buddy you don't break any rules usually, if we wanted you 'silenced,' you'd be silenced.

You're entitled to your opinoins just as everyone else is to slaughter them.

This is the "do these pants make me look fat?" "no, your fat makes you look fat" of responses, man. Drop the victim complex. People gang up on your takes because they're terrible, not because they don't like you. You're a lot of fun when you're not tripling down on bad opinions--like your mysterious disappearance from beating up on Quick in 2018.
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wait what? are you seriously telling me there's only 19 other players that have scored more than 30 goals over 3 yrs??? That's 10 goals per year bud 5v5? And probably out of those 30 goals not all of them are 5v5 but granted most likely the majority of his goals, but that's severely weak.

Yea i didn't know we have only 20 players in this league that score 10 goals a year 5v5

Give me that data
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Sometimes that extra year is what seals the deal, which is how the Kings were able to land Willie Mitchell. Had the Kings missed out on him and Danault signed with Vegas, we’d see many posters bemoaning the Kings for missing out on another free agent.

Given what the likes of Schwartz, Hyman and Hoffman signed for, and you factor in everything else that Danault brings, I think the Kings will stand to benefit quite a bit with him in the lineup, drawing valuable minutes.

This signing will also impact the development of the young centers. Danault had Suzuki and Kotkaniemi as underlings in Montreal. Taking pressure off Kopitar, Vilardi, JAD, etc., is going to benefit the Kings in the long run.
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Completely agree, and I could be wrong, but I am guessing that those upset with this deal would be more than happy with the exact same numbers if it was spent on a flashy second line winger, 'cause goals are all that matter.
 
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Comparable contracts for Danault on CapFriendly are guys like JP Pageau, Charlie Coyle, Brock Nelson, Mikael Backlund, Adam Henrique, Kyle Turris, and Yanni Gourde. I'd rather have Danault than anyone on that list with the exception of maybe Brock Nelson.

Phillip Danault Comparables Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I guess I'm just not that worried about Danault's contract hurting the team in five years because of his age, style of play, and the general contributions of players like him as they get older.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
Sometimes that extra year is what seals the deal, which is how the Kings were able to land Willie Mitchell. Had the Kings missed out on him and Danault signed with Vegas, we’d see many posters bemoaning the Kings for missing out on another free agent.

Given what the likes of Schwartz, Hyman and Hoffman signed for, and you factor in everything else that Danault brings, I think the Kings will stand to benefit quite a bit with him in the lineup, drawing valuable minutes.

This signing will also impact the development of the young centers. Danault had Suzuki and Kotkaniemi as underlings in Montreal. Taking pressure off Kopitar, Vilardi, JAD, etc., is going to benefit the Kings in the long run.
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Look how much Handzus helped young forwards like Simmonds. These kinds of guys you have to overpay for sometimes. And we know LA always has to overpay free agents in the first place. I’m totally ok with him mentoring and sheltering whichever of the centers stay at center and it also allows the Kings to shift some centers to wing as soon as next season.
 
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Comparable contracts for Danault on CapFriendly are guys like JP Pageau, Charlie Coyle, Brock Nelson, Mikael Backlund, Adam Henrique, Kyle Turris, and Yanni Gourde. I'd rather have Danault than anyone on that list with the exception of maybe Brock Nelson.

Phillip Danault Comparables Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I guess I'm just not that worried about Danault's contract hurting the team in five years because of his age, style of play, and the general contributions of players like him as they get older.
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I like Pageau.
 
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KingPuckChoo said:
wait what? are you seriously telling me there's only 19 other players that have scored more than 30 goals over 3 yrs??? That's 10 goals per year bud 5v5? And probably out of those 30 goals not all of them are 5v5 but granted most likely the majority of his goals, but that's severely weak.

Yea i didn't know we have only 20 players in this league that score 10 goals a year 5v5

Give me that data
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This is bad faith, even for you--focusing on goals only, ignoring that the last few seasons have featured fewer games for a few reasons, and just complaining that it's the league being bad and not Danault being good.

If you feel like a victim, maybe stop hiding in pinatas.
 
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KingPuckChoo said:
wait what? are you seriously telling me there's only 19 other players that have scored more than 30 goals over 3 yrs??? That's 10 goals per year bud 5v5? And probably out of those 30 goals not all of them are 5v5 but granted most likely the majority of his goals, but that's severely weak.

Yea i didn't know we have only 20 players in this league that score 10 goals a year 5v5

Give me that data
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I'm going to join the crowd and say wtf man. The post a few above yours spells it out. You're trying to argue semantics, but "scoring" doesn't refer to just goals in the context it was used. You're surely been around long enough to know that.
 
Iafallo - Kopitar - Ardvisson
Kempe - Danault - Brown
Athanasiou - Byfield - Vilardi
Andersson - JAD - Moore

Anderson - Doughty
Edler - Roy
Bjornfot - Walker
Maatta

Petersen
Quick
 
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kings11 said:
Iafallo - Kopitar - Ardvisson
Kempe - Danault - Brown
Athanasiou - Byfield - Vilardi
Andersson - JAD - Moore

Anderson - Doughty
Edler - Roy
Bjornfot - Walker
Maatta

Petersen
Quick
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That third line is likely too inexperienced and will be a problem defensively.
 
Danault isn't a goalscorer and certainly wasn't marketed as such, but here's the data anyway. Over the past three seasons, Danault has scored 30 goals, good for 98th among centers, behind Kopitar (33rd, 56 goals) and Carter (52nd, 47 goals). With regards to total points scored, in all situations (rather than exclusively 5v5), Danault has 124 points, tied for 45th, behind only Kopitar (21st, 172 points) among Kings. That's more than Eric Staal, Nazem Kadri, Ryan Getzlaf, Blake Coleman, and 34 points more than Jeff Carter.

Danault appears to have solidly cemented himself as a good offensive second-line center over the past three seasons while providing elite defense. I'll gladly take that. He's definitely not a goal scorer, and instead appears to be a pretty elite playmaker (26th in assists, sandwiched between scrubs like Patrice Bergeron and Auston Matthews), especially considering his lack of powerplay time. Again, over the past three seasons, he's tied for 23rd in primary assists among centers.

All of this data is freely available at nhl.com/stats, so if there are data questions, just like... go look? It's all there.
 
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