Prospect Info: 2021-22 Kings Prospects in CHL/College/Europe part 4

[King'sPawn]

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Faber was a madman today and led USA in icetime by a significant amount.

 

[Herby]

The most underrated Kings prospect in a long time. The Kings will end up doing very well in the 2nd round in 2019 and 2020. Kaliyev already in the league and 1st line offensive tools, Grans looks great in the AHL as a teenager and same with Faber in the NCAA and in international competition. A great organizational strength drafting those second level type guys (who might even be more). I just wish they were better at the top of the drafts.

 

[Schmooley]

The most underrated Kings prospect in a long time. The Kings will end up doing very well in the 2nd round in 2019 and 2020. Kaliyev already in the league and 1st line offensive tools, Grans looks great in the AHL as a teenager and same with Faber in the NCAA and in international competition. A great organizational strength drafting those second level type guys (who might even be more). I just wish they were better at the top of the drafts.

I wonder sometimes when picking high if scouts get too influenced by mainstream rankings. They go against their gut and if a guy falls to them they take him. But after the first round you tend to take what you want not what the rankings say.

 

[funky]

The most underrated Kings prospect in a long time. The Kings will end up doing very well in the 2nd round in 2019 and 2020. Kaliyev already in the league and 1st line offensive tools, Grans looks great in the AHL as a teenager and same with Faber in the NCAA and in international competition. A great organizational strength drafting those second level type guys (who might even be more). I just wish they were better at the top of the drafts.

We have only had 3 recent high picks. I can see some people have soured on the Turcotte pick but Byfield and Clarke look great and are very young. We might want to wait a year or two before dismissing our first round picks. Even Turcotte has shown glimpses of putting things together. Guy just needs health and some muscle.

 

[Schmooley]

We have only had 3 recent high picks. I can see some people have soured on the Turcotte pick but Byfield and Clarke look great and are very young. We might want to wait a year or two before dismissing our first round picks. Even Turcotte has shown glimpses of putting things together. Guy just needs health and some muscle.

I like Turcotte

 

[Vino]

I wonder sometimes when picking high if scouts get too influenced by mainstream rankings. They go against their gut and if a guy falls to them they take him. But after the first round you tend to take what you want not what the rankings say.

I think top picks are GM to choose. When Kings have 2nd overall pick Yannetti said something like that it will be Blake's decision is it Byfield or Stutzle. (Mayor's Manors podcast if I remember right)

 

[Sybil227]

Faber was a madman today and led USA in icetime by a significant amount.

Just by a little.

 

[King'sPawn]

Just by a little.
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So much to take away.

Ferrell with 5 points in 11 mins.

Former Kings Brian O'Neill and Nick Shore on the roster.

23 minutes, with the next highest at 18, is incredible.

 

[All The Kings Men]

So much to take away.

Ferrell with 5 points in 11 mins.

Former Kings Brian O'Neill and Nick Shore on the roster.

23 minutes, with the next highest at 18, is incredible.

Not to take away from the shine of a Kings prospect... but it's against China in preliminary match at an Olympics that had rosters thrown together at the last minute.

I'd argue there's basically nothing to take away from this game.

 

[King'sPawn]

Not to take away from the shine of a Kings prospect... but it's against China in preliminary match at an Olympics that had rosters thrown together at the last minute.

I'd argue there's basically nothing to take away from this game.

I was being silly for the most part. No, there's not much to take away.

Though it was good to see Faber get so many minutes.

 

[lumbergh]

Not to take away from the shine of a Kings prospect... but it's against China in preliminary match at an Olympics that had rosters thrown together at the last minute.

I'd argue there's basically nothing to take away from this game.

I'd argue that the US coach took Nick Shore away from this game.

 

[Lt Dan]

I'd argue there's basically nothing to take away from this game.

Not even?

Really?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't get it, why does there have to be a takeaway other than watching a Kings prospect skate big minutes?

You bet your sweet ass if he only skated 5 people would be in here jumping on it. Just kick back and enjoy, sheesh.

 

[Herby]

I wonder sometimes when picking high if scouts get too influenced by mainstream rankings. They go against their gut and if a guy falls to them they take him. But after the first round you tend to take what you want not what the rankings say.

Vilardi was certainly a combination of the Dave Taylor specials we saw during his run as GM. Taylor would either draft the highest rated guy left by CSB or he would draft someone over 6'3, or in some cases both. Those picks were usually met with praise with fans who were heavily influenced by the rankings, but sometimes the questions come in, "why did he fall?" , "what did other teams not like?" With Gabe it was very likely skating concerns, and those have sadly kind of come true thus far.

We have only had 3 recent high picks. I can see some people have soured on the Turcotte pick but Byfield and Clarke look great and are very young. We might want to wait a year or two before dismissing our first round picks. Even Turcotte has shown glimpses of putting things together. Guy just needs health and some muscle.

I wasn't really talking about the two most recent picks, it's to early to get a read on those drafts. No one the Kings passed up on other than Sillinger is even in the NHL from 2o21, and it's extremely unlikely Sillinger would have made the Kings. Raymond and Stutzle in 2020 look great but QB is still a bigtime skilled player who is up in the league and is more than capable of doing just as well as either guy as recently as coming out of this break.

2017 and 2019 sting, and there is no other way to say it. If we want to praise the good from the 2nd rounds of other drafts we have to acknowledge the bad too, the Kings had a chance to draft some really good players in those drafts, guys who would be significant contributors right now and didn't. Not saying it should be expected to hit on everything, but getting one of the real game-changers that were available would have been huge.

I'd argue that the US coach took Nick Shore away from this game.

Didn't want to tip our hand to Canada before the big game on Saturday. Those guys up north have no idea what they are in for when the GOAT puck control/cycle/board player steps onto that ice in Beijing. I just hope Owen Power isn't to shell-shocked that it effects him the rest of the season.

So much to take away.

Ferrell with 5 points in 11 mins.

Former Kings Brian O'Neill and Nick Shore on the roster.

23 minutes, with the next highest at 18, is incredible.

Ferrell was part of the loaded 19-20 Chicago Steele roster.

11 NHL picks including four 1st rounders from a USHL team. Crazy, they have done an amazing job of being the NHL factory for that league for guys who don't go to NTDP.

 

[Schrute farms]

Is Faber the only Kings prospect playing in the Olympics?

 

[Fishhead]

Is Faber the only Kings prospect playing in the Olympics?

Yep. You can find a good list here: NHL Prospects Playing at the 2022 Winter Olympics (thehockeywriters.com)

 

[TruKingFan]

I don't get it, why does there have to be a takeaway other than watching a Kings prospect skate big minutes?

You bet your sweet ass if he only skated 5 people would be in here jumping on it. Just kick back and enjoy, sheesh.

Context maybe? It’s f***ing against China. It is good to see him rack up the minutes tho…

 

[Schrute farms]

But It’s not really “China” though - it’s North Americans playing for China.

 

[Herby]

It will be interesting to see how things change when Sanderson (who should be our #1 d-man) jumps in against Canada. But it's very unlikely that Faber isn't going to play a lot, I know there is the experience factor but there just isn't a ton on the back end for this team. Their two best defenseman are probably the teenagers.

 

[Statto]

Vilardi was certainly a combination of the Dave Taylor specials we saw during his run as GM. Taylor would either draft the highest rated guy left by CSB or he would draft someone over 6'3, or in some cases both. Those picks were usually met with praise with fans who were heavily influenced by the rankings, but sometimes the questions come in, "why did he fall?" , "what did other teams not like?" With Gabe it was very likely skating concerns, and those have sadly kind of come true thus far

It didn’t come true though. Vilardi missed 2 years, huge years particularly for working on his skating. The fact he’s done what he has to date is testament to what a good pick it was because a significant portion (I’d say majority) on here were absolutely certain his career was over. I would say there are players out there for whom it would have been the end of their careers, he worked damn hard and never quit. So we will never know if his skating would have improved by much or not, if he didn’t have those damn back problems. If he can translate his AHL success on wing to the NHL he may yet turn into a great pick.

The one thing everyone should’ve learned on this board is that he’s not someone to write off (I’m not saying you’ve done that btw!)

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Vilardi was certainly a combination of the Dave Taylor specials we saw during his run as GM. Taylor would either draft the highest rated guy left by CSB or he would draft someone over 6'3, or in some cases both. Those picks were usually met with praise with fans who were heavily influenced by the rankings, but sometimes the questions come in, "why did he fall?" , "what did other teams not like?" With Gabe it was very likely skating concerns, and those have sadly kind of come true thus far.

I have to wonder what you are going to say once Gabe is a full time NHL player again.

I do not hope you think he got faster because that would be terribly lame.

 

[Herby]

I have to wonder what you are going to say once Gabe is a full time NHL player again.

I do not hope you think he got faster because that would be terribly lame.

I wish Gabe were a fulltime NHL'er as the Kings 3rd line RW. But I am dealing with reality, the Kings have had trouble scoring and have gaping holes on that "3rd line" for in theory is the exact type of player Gabe would be, yet he hasn't gotten the call while players who have done less in Ontario have, why? And the comment you are replying to is about why the Kings have had some issues drafting in the 1st round when they draft so amazingly well in the later rounds, is that an unfair or unwarranted take? Gabe is in the AHL in his D+5 after being taken with the #11OA pick, that is not successful or something to be happy about, it's a disappointment and a poor ROI for such a pick, the next 4 forwards taken after him are all scoring line forwards in the NHL. Is any of that not factual?

I know people hate to talk about things like draft capital and ROI on high picks (but will be happy to discuss the home-runs in the 2nd round) but sorry it's a fair discussion in evaluating the success of a rebuild with how well you did with a #5 and #11 pick in comparison to the players taken after. How else do you judge your talent evaluation and development?

 

[Trash Panda]

Context maybe? It’s f***ing against China. It is good to see him rack up the minutes tho…

The point is, if he was low on ice time, it would be seen as a red flag by many.

Faber did exactly what would be expected against such lowly competition, nothing more or less. Nobody is planning a parade, just happy to see trust being placed in a young defensemen.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I wish Gabe were a fulltime NHL'er as the Kings 3rd line RW. But I am dealing with reality, the comment you are replying to is about why the Kings have had some issues drafting in the 1st round when they draft so amazingly well in the later rounds. Gabe is in the AHL in his D+5 after being taken with the #11OA pick, that is not successful or something to be happy about, it's a disappointment and a poor ROI for such a pick, the next 4 forwards taken after him are all scoring line forwards in the NHL. Is any of that not factual?

It's absolutely factual. It's also dismissive of his situation. And calling it poor ROI with ignorance to context is kinda brutal. And then going on to audit the picks after selectively...did you do that because you'd have to notice Rasmussen, Middlestadt, Andersson, Tippett were right before?

You got railed because you crafted a post carefully to make Vilardi look as bad as possible. And it also comes off as extremely arrogant because you appear conclusive about his fate. Don't be surprised people are coming after you for it.