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You're saying two different things. The talent went away, and that's when the culture shifted?

DL was his way or the highway? Is that why the first guy he traded from the Cup teams was King in 2017? Why he got lost in the eyes of Mike Richards in that cabin in the woods? Why he brought Voynov in for a practice after? His last move for a Cup was to bring in a guy that cried his way out of Columbus too. Not exactly bursting with character.

You do wonder if he would've drafted Brown and Kopitar though. Quick, maybe. Obviously he took Doughty.

It's obvious from the current success of Toffoli, Carter, Muzzin, Martinez, Forbort, Campbell, et al that the talent didn't go away...it just stopped being produced in LA. I maintain it was because of a culture which was absent leadership at all levels in the organization. You have yet to offer a better answer.

Richards was Lombardi's blind spot for sure and I spent dozens of posts saying that the trade would end up being a disaster for LA. But it got the Kings two cups. Take the good with the bad I guess. Same with Carter. Not sure what your points are regarding King and Voynov. He liked to have criminals on the team but it was definitely a two-edged sword and in the end it killed him.
 
I know most teams use 1-3-1 in some situations. I have not been a fan of how it is used on the Kings, way too passive and a losing brand of hockey. I only understand it as a temporary fix to keep the team closer in games while they are overmatched in talent, but if they intend to use that long-term...I don't buy it. If they were using it with Reign too, I get the point that you use the same system, but you're teaching the biggest talent you have a passive losing mentality with it in my opinion if that is what they were using (I haven't seen enough of Reign to make that comment). It would be better to use 1-3-1 on the Kings as a temporary stopgap that can get adjusted, and use something more conducive to the talent on Reign there. But I am sure they have a reasoning for it..it just seems off to me looking from the outside in. Maybe they will switch to something more pro-active in future, I'm not sure, it's just something I'd try to avoid entirely with your top talent in AHL.
 
You guys can tee the hell off on each other all you want.

I’m at the point where there’s not much left to say until things start happening this summer.’

Everything else is just philosophical disagreements that don’t have a right answer.

It’s fun for discussion but don’t for one minute believe you can convince someone else you’re ‘right’.
 
Kings update...

"This was a great test for us, to see where we match up against the reigning world champs," said Petersen. "I think it was great for us to start off against one of the best, see where we match up, see the things we need to do better, and then continue to carry positive momentum forward."

 
You guys can tee the hell off on each other all you want.

I’m at the point where there’s not much left to say until things start happening this summer.’

Everything else is just philosophical disagreements that don’t have a right answer.

It’s fun for discussion but don’t for one minute believe you can convince someone else you’re ‘right’.

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What point are you trying to make here? The Kings shouldn’t have traded Muzzin, Martinez, Clifford, Campbell, Toffoli, and Carter?

Or the Kings missed out on difference maker Chandler Stephenson?

Exactly. If we don't trade those guys, were an slow, aging, black hole team , drafting 12th the last 3 years. There's no Valardi, Turcotte, Byfield, Thomas, etc...

And close to being capped out. Black hole+cap issues+ no high end prospects= no future success.

we only have 3 players taking a regular shift since the 2015 draft. Thats awful!
 
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Exactly. If we don't trade those guys, were an slow, aging, black hole team , drafting 12th the last 3 years. There's no Valardi, Turcotte, Byfield, Thomas, etc...

And close to being capped out. Black hole+cap issues+ no high end prospects= no future success.

we only have 3 players taking a regular shift since the 2015 draft. Thats awful!
I agree with the sentiment of your post. Just want to point out that Vilardi was the 11th pick, Turcotte was 5th but Boldy was 12th and he is looking very good, also caufield newhook, knight all went a few picks after the 12th. Byfield was #2 and a massive get for us (the Rangers won the lottery but they were in line for the #14 pick) #12 was Lundell #13 Jarvis #14 Holloway (all of these players I am naming have had very promising post draft years)

So while I get it, it's best to draft higher (especially when you talk about the very top of the draft which requires a lottery win) I think sometimes we play up the absolute necessity of it.
 
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I will speak as someone who defended Blake pretty often in recent years, who has soured recently. I'm not really coming at this from a hindsight perspective. I understood his need to rebuild once the team fell apart under Stevens, I mean it was kind of forced upon him. However, despite understanding the general direction of the team it's the moves he has made along the way that I am questioning. Starting with hiring WD. He might possibly be the worst coach the Kimgs have ever had and Blake needed to step in after WD was having a very open spat with the players. That whole situation was an absolute mess. As far as coaching goes, I've also mentioned that I despise TMac's 1-3-1 and the fact that we are spending prime development years of our blue chip prospects having them focus on it. TMac being Blake's buddy means he will be here long term and I am concerned that the system will not be successful.

There also should be some concern about our development program, despite having the best prospect pool in the league we do not have any prospects that appear to be taking the next step. Of course it is early and prospects have a long ways to go and I am still very much excited for all of them, but I am a bit wary.

Lastly, the team being so lifeless at times during the season is a bit of a concern. This is a lingering issue that goes back to 2015 and those crushing losses down the stretch leading to us missing the playoffs, but this still is on Blake. Here has had the steering wheel for long enough and was assisting for even longer. The longer that issue persists, the harder it is to purge.

Of course Blake has all of the opportunity in front of him to turn this team around. He has built a deep prospect pool and a great cap situation. I'm not completely turning on him, but I am noticing some warts.

I think there might be a bit of a misunderstanding. If so, I apologize. I'll try to summarize my thoughts:
- I also have been a defender of Blake's moves. I just have a different deadline of expecting results: end of the 2021-22 season.

- I am okay with people using hindsight to analyze and reflect. It's the people pretending they knew they were the right moves all along I take issue with

- I also have concern with how offense is getting developed with players and prospects. Not saying it's the staff. Maybe it's the tools/exercises? Strategies? Cohesion with the system?

- the stretches of lifelessness is also a concern. Bland has touched upon it where everything goes through Kopitar, and he's not the type to charge others emotionally. Doughty IS very emotional, but I don't think he brings it out of players, either. Bear in mind I don't think either of these players are bad leaders or bad people. But if the team needs MVP seasons every year from their best players, it's a problem. It stems back to a comment made that used to get Kopitar raked over the coals: "if everyone is good, nobody has to be great"

- I think there is a lack of "buy-in" or commitment from the team, which is evidenced from the slow starts and lack of preparation. Again, where is the source of this?

Just my attempts to clarify.
 
Exactly. If we don't trade those guys, were an slow, aging, black hole team , drafting 12th the last 3 years. There's no Valardi, Turcotte, Byfield, Thomas, etc...

And close to being capped out. Black hole+cap issues+ no high end prospects= no future success.

we only have 3 players taking a regular shift since the 2015 draft. Thats awful!

I am sure this team would of been fine drafting at #12 for the last 4 years.
All picks below are #12 or a few picks lower, we would not be depleted of decent prospects today. Some are better NHLers already than what we have in our current pool.

Necas\Suzuki(2017), Farabee\Smith(2018), Boldy\Night\Caufield(2019), Lundell, Jarvis(2020)

If your picking top 10(with Vilardi just outside at #11 + this year) for 4 years, they better pan out(these are , like you said, "our high end prospects") .
 
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Trade for M Tkachuk. Trade for Graves. Sign Landeskog. Draft Luke Hughes.

Landeskog-Kopitar-Brown
Tkachuk-Byfield-Vilardi
Iafallo-Moore-Athanasiou
Lemieux/Lizotte-JAD-Grundstrom

Graves-Doughty
Hughes-Roy
Anderson/Bjornfot-Walker
Strand or MacD as extra

Peterson/Quick

Seattle takes Wagner
Clague and 2nd round pick for Graves
Akil Thomas, Kempe, picks for Tkachuk
 
Trade for M Tkachuk. Trade for Graves. Sign Landeskog. Draft Luke Hughes.

Landeskog-Kopitar-Brown
Tkachuk-Byfield-Vilardi
Iafallo-Moore-Athanasiou
Lemieux/Lizotte-JAD-Grundstrom

Graves-Doughty
Hughes-Roy
Anderson/Bjornfot-Walker
Strand or MacD as extra

Peterson/Quick

Seattle takes Wagner
Clague and 2nd round pick for Graves
Akil Thomas, Kempe, picks for Tkachuk

Want Tkachuk? Start with Byfield/Turcotte. They love him over there.
 
If he weren’t so snakebitten he’d be a solid top 9 guy...
I mean you could say that about every no talent assclown.

- if Lizotte was 6 inches taller he’d be a force
- if Ollie Matta had any skill he’d be the greatest offensive d in the league
- if Cal Petersen could make saves and not collapse like a folding lawn chair he’s be one of the all time greats
 
I mean you could say that about every no talent assclown.

- if Lizotte was 6 inches taller he’d be a force
- if Ollie Matta had any skill he’d be the greatest offensive d in the league
- if Cal Petersen could make saves and not collapse like a folding lawn chair he’s be one of the all time greats
So who will they take?
 
So who will they take?
If I'm the Kraken & choosing between Clague & Lizzote, Wagner, Grundstrom, Quick is who I grab. There are younger goalie options out there, but losing Quick punches a much bigger hole in the heart & soul of a division rival than losing a 4th liner. Would force Cal into the starting role next season.
 
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We should start looking at Washington as the new team entering the rebuild time.

Ovechkin is 36. Will have a new contract due and the owner will pay for whatever he wants. (Small note: while we bicker about value in trades and “should we keep Kopitar/Doughty” these players are marketable and bright significant attendance. Ownership might be negative to a trade).
Upper limit cap space team.
Average age is 29.3
27th ranted prospect rankings. Conner McMichael looks to be the only notable.

After the cup win, Capitals have lost 3 straight first rounds.
We might have a team that also is full of bloated contracts entering a rebuild.
 
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We should start looking at Washington as the new team entering the rebuild time.

Ovechkin is 36. Will have a new contract due and the owner will pay for whatever he wants. (Small note: while we bicker about value in trades and “should we keep Kopitar/Doughty” these players are marketable and bright significant attendance. Ownership might be negative to a trade).
Upper limit cap space team.
Average age is 29.3
27th ranted prospect rankings. Conner McMichael looks to be the only notable.

After the cup win, Capitals have lost 3 straight first rounds.
We might have a team that also is full of bloated contracts entering a rebuild.
Caps do not currently have the cap space to resign Ovechkin so they will have to make some moves.
 
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We should start looking at Washington as the new team entering the rebuild time.

Ovechkin is 36. Will have a new contract due and the owner will pay for whatever he wants. (Small note: while we bicker about value in trades and “should we keep Kopitar/Doughty” these players are marketable and bright significant attendance. Ownership might be negative to a trade).
Upper limit cap space team.
Average age is 29.3
27th ranted prospect rankings. Conner McMichael looks to be the only notable.

After the cup win, Capitals have lost 3 straight first rounds.
We might have a team that also is full of bloated contracts entering a rebuild.

Put them with the Sharks. Similar prospect pool ranking and tons of long term contracts.
 
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