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Speculation: 2021-21 LA Kings News/Rumors/Roster discussion
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
I just have no idea how anyone can look at guys like Kane, Kucherov, Point and Marchessault or young players like Kaliyev and Caufield and come to the conclusion that they don't help their team win games.
I think there are a couple of people here who would not have taken Patrick Kane out of principal if the lottery balls had fallen the Kings way that draft. Would have missed out on one of the best generators of offense of his era and the greatest American born player of all-time because he was a 5'9 winger
bland
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Its simple. They don't win. That's how I can say it. One way undersized wingers are too easy to scheme against in a series. Very few of them have a high level of perseverance, they generally earn a lot of money which limits your depth, and they don't age well. Committing too much of your available cap space to one trick ponies is a ticket to disappointment.
Of course there are a few exceptions, but like all projections we are talking about likelihood, not certainty.
There are lots of ways to generate offense without drafting flash first substance second players.
bland
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Please tell you aren't comparing Kane to Caufield. Kane was MILES ahead of Caufield pre-draft. Caufield is a one note second liner at his best, he is just nowhere near Kane.
Kucherov and Point weren't first round picks. Kucherov took 3-4 years to develop. Marchessault, Pageau, smaller depth guys make their impact via aggressiveness despite their size, they play much bigger and were either mid round choices or not drafted at all.
Kaliyev dropped to the second round, and hasn't done anything yet to be involved in this conversation.
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Lt Dan
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bland
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Hyman would do a hell of a lot more for this team than Marner, but you draft and develop guys like Hyman, you don't overspend on them as free agents.
The Kings haven't drafted ANY of those types of players under Blake. Not a soul. Too much emphasis on finding offensive homeruns outside of the first round, too little on players with backbone and grit. There needs to be a better mix of the type of kid brought into the organization.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I'm not comparing Kane to Caufield. But proclaiming someone currently playing 1st line at 20 is going to be a "one-note second liner at best" just seems a bit hyperbolic. If Caufield averages 40+ a year for the next decade do you amend your takes, or will it just be an empty 40 goals that doesn't help a team win? Is there anything Cole Caufield could do in his career to make you think he warranted a Top 5 pick?
And you were the ones who said absolutely that "They don't win", Patrick Kane has 3 Stanley Cup rings and a Conn Smythe and will go down as the best player on a mini-dynasty that won 3 cups in 5 years. Chicago very likely has zero Stanley Cups without Patrick Kane. Kucherov and Point won last year, if they win again this year Point is probably going to win the Conn Smythe.
What about Marian Gaborik? When he came to the Kings he was the definition of a one-dimensional player. He sure did score a bunch of meaningful goals for the Kings that run. The Kings probably don't win the SC in 2014 without that one-dimensional winger. Teams sure did seem to have a problem planning for him despite his flaws.
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Salt Lake City...?
One game only
Early in the preseason so mostly scrubs
3.2 beer
First one on a Thursday
3.2 beer
taking a normally scheduled preseason game, that was already being played yearly and calling it Frozen Fury does not equal the 3-4 day non stop event that was Frozen Fury.
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Ollie Weeks
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Allow me to direct you to the post immediately adjacent to the one you most recently tilted at.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
And I posted a bunch of examples, both currently and historically of those types of players who have played key roles on good teams. I know this board favors certain types of players more than others, but lets deal in reality here, there have been plenty of sub 6' players who have done great things in the post season in the NHL, currently and historically.
BTW. Of all the players throughout the history of the league (or atleast since the draft age changed to 18). Who scored at a .5 PPG over first 20 games or more in their D+2 how many went on to stardom vs. went in reverse?
I'd be willing to bet a lot of $$ that the numbers are overwhelmingly one way. It's just very very uncommon for players to fall off. Some have for sure, but the vast majority continue on their trajectory. Would you agree?
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SFKingshomer
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I’ve never seen Caufield drive a line at any level like Kane, Point, Kucherov. He’s more of a DeBrincant/Hull type who find a soft spot in the D and wait for someone to feed them. They are important to winning but not as important as a 2 way center or elite talent like the creators mentioned. Suzuki is the more valuable player on that line for the time being. Would I trade Turcotte for Caufield? Yes but only because LA has depth at center to compliment him. It’s not entirely out of the realm of possibility that Turcotte becomes more valuable if he can stay healthy. I’d much prefer Zegras to Caufield. Who was more important to STL, Tarasenko or O’Reilly? Tarasenko is a stud and can create more on his own than Caufield but both are complimentary wingers. Kucherov, Kane, Pastrnak create for their line mates. There’s a reason Bergeron and Marchand have been so dominant since Pastrnak entered the league. I’d trade the Kings farm for a guy like that.
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Ollie Weeks
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I mean, congratulations? He allowed for such players to exist, and then you name some? Sure showed him. All I ask is you respond to the person you are arguing with, having first read what he said. Even I can do it and I don’t have a horse in this race. I really should just stop reading but I’m a completionist.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
How many exceptions does it take before you say that maybe those players do have value?
Do you think that maybe his opinions are just a wee bit biased and over the top against these players. Do you agree that Zach Hyman would be a better fit for the Kings than Mitch Marner?
I mean, I thought I loved Hyman more than anyone on this board, I guess not.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Dude, come on you know I love your postings. But you were anything but a Kane fan for a long long time. When did the passenger become the driver? And if Kane transitioned from a passenger to a driver isn't it possible for others to do it?
SFKingshomer
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I was wrong and have admitted that. Kane is a much different player than Caufield. When do you see Caufield create chances for his teammates? I don’t think he has that ability because he plays a different style. He’s more Robitaille where Kane is more Palffy.
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Hyman would be 10x the fit for this roster than marner, and would absolutely bring more success for the team.
High dollar, charmin-soft, undersized, scoring wingers are not the answer.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Ok fair enough on the passenger thing.
There were a couple of OT goals this spring.
But I do agree, more of a finisher than a distributor, but there is nothing wrong with pure finishers. Luc Robitaille is in the Hall of Fame, pretty sure the Habs would take that.
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Salt Lake City...?
Why?
Could have had it in San Diego with the Quacks. How about Reno? Lake Tahoe at night?
SFKingshomer
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I agree but feel like a stronger healthy Turcotte could bring you what Hyman or a Iaffalo type could. He’s smart and has a high motor.
SFKingshomer
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I agree and LA could use either or both but if I had to choose 1 it would be a Palffy type. The guy was so underrated.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
How many tough, physical 6'+ two way wingers capable of scoring at a 1st line pace exist in the league?
These players are either taken very very high in the draft or they cost massive amounts to trade for (if they are even available).
You are hunting for unicorns.
Or do you just believe in loading up and taking centers every year in the 1st round and having the worst wingers in the league, that model has worked out great here the last few years.
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