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Mayor doubling down now that Lebrun is busy 'surmising' on The Athletic about potential teams...

LeBrun: The Jack Eichel sweepstakes have begun, NHL coaching carousel news

"Teams I believe make sense: Los Angeles, Minnesota, Anaheim, Columbus, Philadelphia and the Rangers, among others.

The Kings want to make a splashy move for a top-6 forward, the Wild could use another top center, and the Jackets (who have three first-round picks this year) of course really, really need a No. 1 center."

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Lots of conflicting info out there regarding Kings and Eichel. Hoven says LA is out of the running. Friedman backed him. Now LeBurn just posted this article stating LA is still having the conversation along with Minnesota, Anaheim, Columbus, Philadelphia and the Rangers. Dreger also said LA is still circling back with Buffalo.
 


Mayor doubling down now that Lebrun is busy 'surmising' on The Athletic about potential teams...

LeBrun: The Jack Eichel sweepstakes have begun, NHL coaching carousel news

"Teams I believe make sense: Los Angeles, Minnesota, Anaheim, Columbus, Philadelphia and the Rangers, among others.

The Kings want to make a splashy move for a top-6 forward, the Wild could use another top center, and the Jackets (who have three first-round picks this year) of course really, really need a No. 1 center."

:damnpc:

I think that they are indeed talking to Buffalo, just about other players. At least I hope
 
I'm not comparing Kane to Caufield. But proclaiming someone currently playing 1st line at 20 is going to be a "one-note second liner at best" just seems a bit hyperbolic. If Caufield averages 40+ a year for the next decade do you amend your takes, or will it just be an empty 40 goals that doesn't help a team win? Is there anything Cole Caufield could do in his career to make you think he warranted a Top 5 pick?

And you were the ones who said absolutely that "They don't win", Patrick Kane has 3 Stanley Cup rings and a Conn Smythe and will go down as the best player on a mini-dynasty that won 3 cups in 5 years. Chicago very likely has zero Stanley Cups without Patrick Kane. Kucherov and Point won last year, if they win again this year Point is probably going to win the Conn Smythe.

What about Marian Gaborik? When he came to the Kings he was the definition of a one-dimensional player. He sure did score a bunch of meaningful goals for the Kings that run. The Kings probably don't win the SC in 2014 without that one-dimensional winger. Teams sure did seem to have a problem planning for him despite his flaws.

You are getting lost in your own strawman maze here. This discussion is about drafting players like Caufield very early in the first round instead of multi-tool players.

Kane was always a top prospect, head and shoulders above Caufield.

Gaborik was always a two way winger and excellent penalty killer. He doesn't fit into this discussion at all.

Kucherov and Point were late 2nd and 3rd round choices, nobody over-reached there. Not unlike Fagemo and Simontaival. Perfectly fine to take a chance there, but its worlds away from picking one at #5 when you have holes everywhere.

Lastly, no, offensive wingers are the easiest position in the league to fill and therefore have less value to a team than those who contribute on multiple fronts. They may be costly, but they are ALWAYS available.

Hyman does more for this team than Marner because the biggest weaknesses on this team is its inability to get the puck out of their zone on cycle defense, their inability to generate consistent offensive zone possession, their inability to forecheck, and their inability to hold leads. Marner doesn't help there, those are all his biggest weaknesses, and coincidentally Hymans strengths.

That is just short term, long term the Kings have drafted about 8 potential top 6 wingers over the past 3 drafts, but haven't drafted a single winger whose forte is solid board work.

Its not diffucult to understand unless you have a fetish for flashy scoring wingers.
 
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I'm definitley more on board with the Werenski/Jones camp vs. Eichel, but at this point something that converts our huge wealth of assets in concrete results would be niceeeee.
 
You and I are like capitalists and communists arguing on twitter, no matter what any of us say the Grand Canyon sized ideological differences won't change. I think for the sake of the board we shouldn't debate anymore.

I think Marner and the Leafs figure it out and Caufield is a perennial 40+G guy. You don't. We can double back again in 3 years and see where the players we are debating stand in their NHL careers. Sound good?
 
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I actually take the Amtrak down to SD once a year because it's amazing to not take have to take the vehicle and endure the road for once. Also, the scenery is always pleasant and some good food in downtown SD.

Lake Tahoe wouldn't be a bad idea either. :nod:

I used to run the San Diego half marathon, took the train down from where I was. Very relaxing and can have adult beverages on the way down with free WiFi etc.

Haven’t been since since it’s gotten more sketchy rolling through downtown LA.
 
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Lots of conflicting info out there regarding Kings and Eichel. Hoven says LA is out of the running. Friedman backed him. Now LeBurn just posted this article stating LA is still having the conversation along with Minnesota, Anaheim, Columbus, Philadelphia and the Rangers. Dreger also said LA is still circling back with Buffalo.

Lebrun is saying that LA is a team "that makes sense" for a trade involving Eichel. I mean, yeah, the Kings make sense in the fact that the Kings have the cap space and a ton of prospects to trade. I imagine Kevyn Adams asking for Byfield, and Blake saying "Nope", and that being pretty much the end of that.

If the price drops, the Kings could get back in it, but Byfield has to be considered untouchable.
 
The Del Taco there is amazing too. They have the best cheese.
"Del Taco" and "amazing" in the same sentence. Now I've seen it all on this board.
Del Taco was started around Barstow. We have 3 of them. It's by far the most popular fast food chain among the locals.

But whenever I try Del Taco outside of Barstow it's usually crap. The Del Tacos here a different for some reason.
 


Lots of conflicting info out there regarding Kings and Eichel. Hoven says LA is out of the running. Friedman backed him. Now LeBurn just posted this article stating LA is still having the conversation along with Minnesota, Anaheim, Columbus, Philadelphia and the Rangers. Dreger also said LA is still circling back with Buffalo.


Can you please provide direct quote where LeBurn stating LA is still having the conversation?
LeBrun did not say LA is in it.
He said it makes sense for LA, but that is all.
Also where is Dreger saying LA is still circling back with Buffalo?
I cannot find it.
 
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Of the top 10 point producers in the playoffs, only one of them was acquired via trade (Jean-Gabriel Pageau).

The top 10 goal scorers during the season were all forwards drafted by their respective clubs, with one exception, Tyler Toffoli. Top 10 point producers during the season, all drafted by their respective teams, and all but one was a first round pick. The lone exception, Brad Marchand, taken in the third round.

Look throughout the league, most of the players leading their teams offensively are homegrown talent, and teams aren't willingly giving away productive players. The ones who end up being moved usually tend to be upcoming free agents, and/or players on bad teams.

If finding offensive players were so easy, what's taken the Kings so long to acquire some? They tried and failed with Kovalchuk, and besides Iafallo, what free agent signing in the past decade-plus has had any offensive impact or role in the top six?

Even if you look at trades, who are the productive, top six forwards this team has acquired over the years? Lucic in 2016? Gaborik in 2014 and Jeff Carter in 2012. Doesn't seem like the Kings have had any success acquiring offensive talent since those examples. Blake came close to landing one in 2018 with Pacioretty, but judging by the comments made around here, that would've been viewed as an unpopular move by the masses.

Luckily, the Kings may have some options to trade for this summer as bad teams will be looking to move disgruntled players. In terms of free agents, there are probably only a handful of names who can be inserted into the top six, so their options are limited there, and those players who can produce won't come with a cheap price tag.
 
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Trying to grow the game in other markets. Reno/Lake Tahoe, while cool spots, are not big enough markets at all. I think it's less about the fan experience and much, much more about market growth for the NHL and these teams in general.
Hockey never really took off in Utah. I remember the Salt Lake Golden Eagles and Butch Goring coached Utah Grizzlies. Butch had some good teams, think they won the Turner Cup but like minor league hockey in the west in those days, it fizzled out because it was an overpriced product.
 


Lots of conflicting info out there regarding Kings and Eichel. Hoven says LA is out of the running. Friedman backed him. Now LeBurn just posted this article stating LA is still having the conversation along with Minnesota, Anaheim, Columbus, Philadelphia and the Rangers. Dreger also said LA is still circling back with Buffalo.


LeBrun didn't state that. He speculated that given what they are after. Here is the full quote.

Teams I believe make sense: Los Angeles, Minnesota, Anaheim, Columbus, Philadelphia and the Rangers, among others.

The Kings want to make a splashy move for a top-6 forward, the Wild could use another top center, and the Jackets (who have three first-round picks this year) of course really, really need a No. 1 center.
 
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