Ollie Weeks
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Speculation: 2021-21 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster discussion part V
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KINGS17
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ScoreZeGoals
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To be in the lineup? Sure. To be stapled to the top line? Nope
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
That’s all fair. Regardless of whether I agree or not with your views/arguments they all have a vein of logic to them and ask fair questions… usually.
I think the question about how they are dealing with Vilardi behind the scenes is a very fair one. I suspect there’s a bit of blame on both sides with this one and given the comments about improving his draws in the past I could certainly see them struggling to get his buy in over playing wing. I stint in the AHL will certainly help that process but let’s see what they do with him. Nothing but conjecture on my part.
Grundström is a tough one because a winger needs to miss out and realistically who else does he sit? Brown ain’t sitting and 95% of coaches wouldn’t sit him either, so it’s him Kaliyev , AA or Moore? Lemieux has now turned himself into a key piece so that’s no longer an option and despite Grundys form no one (apart from the odd crazy on this board) is keeping him in the lineup over Arvidsson, Kempe or Iafallo. It’s not a simple choice; I presume they like Kaliyev’s direction and his development will be a priority, AA fills a different role and Moore provides plenty to his game even when he’s not scoring. So, it’s not an easy call and even though I don’t really like it all that much I do understand it.
I definitely don't think it's an easy call and it's one they painted themselves into a corner with with this many people on the roster period. Good problem due to injuries apparently, and good depth to keep us chugging along (I think last year's team would have fallen apart). And I think there's reasoning here on the roster decisions, I just heavily disagree with it is all. I'm not sure why some folks are taking that personally and I'm really not trying to suggest at all that I'm 'right,' only that I keep getting called on it and often aggressively so I'm defending my position, that's all.
I presume they call it that because he's been dogging it
bland
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Clague was 10th on the depth chart leaving camp. Wolanin was lost to waivers, Doughty and Walker were hurt. He outplayed one guy ahead of him, Strand, then outplayed Maatta once he got here. He wasn't handed anything, he earned it through circumstances THEN merit.
Kaliyev getting 4th line 5 x 5 minutes is perfectly fine, but seeing as how miserable the PP is going with two inept forwards getting opportunities that they have actively lost without trying your best weapon is very confusing.
bland
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No team with just one playoff game win in 7 years should have any sacred cows relying on ancient past laurels.
You should Google “straw man argument”. It’ll help you to stop arguing like a child.
Spittin Chiclets had a good interview with Stuts.
Wish he could have made it to the Kings bench.
johnjm22
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Kaliyev is averaging 2:12 of PP time per game.
He's playing 12:18 per night with to solid linemates.
He's even gotten a few shifts on the top line.
HE'S 15 GAMES INTO HIS NHL CAREER. He's being handled just fine.
He's playing 12:18 per night with to solid linemates.
He's even gotten a few shifts on the top line.
HE'S 15 GAMES INTO HIS NHL CAREER. He's being handled just fine.
apocalypse
Dean Lombardi's Yes Man
bland
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No problem at all with his usage at even strength.
He should be on the first power play unit in Brown's role down low or in the "bumper" spot, not as a goddam pointman on the 2nd unit. The entire power play structure here is so poorly managed, whether you favor trying to win now or focusing on developing the talent for future glories. It's just mismanaged from top to bottom.
King'sPawn
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For those wondering, we CAN both be happy about winning AND question decisions.
For a team looking to find a new core of young players to hand the reins to, they aren't putting any of them in a position to even try to take ownership. That's the problem.
Why draft players high in skill, such as Kupari, Vilardi, etc, then push them down into a bottom-6 role until they learn to grind the way you want them to? Why not, I dunno, bring in different types of players and let them complement each other and fill their roles?
Why ISN'T a high-end rookie playing with arguably the hottest pair up front in Iafallo and Danault?
Why IS Brown glued to the top powerplay unit? Everyone with at least 9:50 of Powerplay time has a point, except for Brown. But he is second on the team with 53 minutes of powerplay time on the ice. Tkachev has 56 total minutes in the NHL this season. He was sent to the AHL.
The Kings are winning despite terrible special teams. They not only need to be better to be sustainable, but they need to get younger players more involved. And there is a lot of personnel who has shown to be capable, if they were given the opportunity less productive players were.
Yes, veterans get a longer leash. But you also have to have accountability.
So far, the younger players are demoted for not playing well enough. The vets up front get different people to help them adjust.
For a team looking to find a new core of young players to hand the reins to, they aren't putting any of them in a position to even try to take ownership. That's the problem.
Why draft players high in skill, such as Kupari, Vilardi, etc, then push them down into a bottom-6 role until they learn to grind the way you want them to? Why not, I dunno, bring in different types of players and let them complement each other and fill their roles?
Why ISN'T a high-end rookie playing with arguably the hottest pair up front in Iafallo and Danault?
Why IS Brown glued to the top powerplay unit? Everyone with at least 9:50 of Powerplay time has a point, except for Brown. But he is second on the team with 53 minutes of powerplay time on the ice. Tkachev has 56 total minutes in the NHL this season. He was sent to the AHL.
The Kings are winning despite terrible special teams. They not only need to be better to be sustainable, but they need to get younger players more involved. And there is a lot of personnel who has shown to be capable, if they were given the opportunity less productive players were.
Yes, veterans get a longer leash. But you also have to have accountability.
So far, the younger players are demoted for not playing well enough. The vets up front get different people to help them adjust.
AlphaBravo
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Before the season started, I was okay with Brown on the top line because of how many goals he scored last year. But watching him play this year, the number of give aways and other defensive lapses makes me want him off the roster. Gundstrom or Lias are better options than Brown. I sure hope they don't resign him, as it is time to move on.
Unfortunately Lias is as healthy as a tuberculosis ward circa 1718.
apocalypse
Dean Lombardi's Yes Man
DB is quietly having a good year.I definitely don't think it's an easy call and it's one they painted themselves into a corner with with this many people on the roster period. Good problem due to injuries apparently, and good depth to keep us chugging along (I think last year's team would have fallen apart). And I think there's reasoning here on the roster decisions, I just heavily disagree with it is all. I'm not sure why some folks are taking that personally and I'm really not trying to suggest at all that I'm 'right,' only that I keep getting called on it and often aggressively so I'm defending my position, that's all.
I presume they call it that because he's been dogging it
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
We’ve seen what the Kings are capable of when the guys getting paid to produce are doing their jobs. It’s as good as 90’ish points grabbing a wild card seed followed by a quick playoff exit and the coach fired the following Thanksgiving.
The hand wringing over the lack of playing time for prospects comes from a wish to not repeat the most recent “successful season”. I’d rather see Kaliyev get 30 goals and Brown get benched than get swept by Vegas again and Brown scoring 21 goals.
The hand wringing over the lack of playing time for prospects comes from a wish to not repeat the most recent “successful season”. I’d rather see Kaliyev get 30 goals and Brown get benched than get swept by Vegas again and Brown scoring 21 goals.
By that standard, you are quietly an excellent poster.
Gjwrams
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Dude! Some of your takes are so bizarre you have to be saying them just to get us riled up to engage with you.
You have succeeded with me. DB is DONE. He has fumes in the tank and belongs on the 4th line to finish out the year. He'll lay a big hit once in a while, which I'm sure hurts him more than the other guy, and he'll deflect goal in from time to time. I love DB. His # should be in the rafters. But he is not part of this teams future and him playing is only preventing it from getting better sooner.
It’s official. Just found out where @apocalypse is getting advice from.
I mean damn, I love Dustin Brown for everything he’s done for this franchise, and I remember when he was drafted that they said he would be captain one day, but he is absolutely finished.
I mean damn, I love Dustin Brown for everything he’s done for this franchise, and I remember when he was drafted that they said he would be captain one day, but he is absolutely finished.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I'm feeling a Brown 2 goal game tonight, the jinxes are strong
apocalypse
Dean Lombardi's Yes Man
Who's gonna be the physical forward on our roster.Dude! Some of your takes are so bizarre you have to be saying them just to get us riled up to engage with you.
apocalypse
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Gjwrams
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It sure as hell isn't Dustin Brown. Those days are long gone my friend.
Jason Squirties
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It's quite the juxtaposition to witness from the outside. I hear everything you're saying and even agree with most of it(micro vs macro) and the coaching/management trends we're watching in front of our eyes. Expectations for the end of season have certainly been raised based on the dramatic turn around, not just the results but the style of game they've been playing. Lot's of positives to take from it, as you should, it's natural. But the deeper goals of transitioning the young *upper talent* guys in the system seem to be extremely short sighted and lacking while at the same time so obvious to us to the longer term success for some reason. But by god you hope to hell that the guys that are sitting back pointing at the results and at the ones paid much more than us in management are doing the right thing going forward but only time will tell. If we lose the next 6 here or at any point the tide quickly reverses. I think we're unified in what we all want the results to be so that doesn't change, all happy to eat crow but if not, some of you guys(us?) should be getting paid more.
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