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Speculation: 2021-21 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster discussion part V

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johnjm22 said:
Trading for a defensemen in attempt to salvage this season has got to be the absolute stupidest idea possible.
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Especially when you have 3 in the AHL you need to find out if they are worth a squirt of piss in Claugue, Moverare and Strand.
 
LT Dan said:
Another sign that it is time for a coaching change
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Perhaps, but it in my opinion it is a sign for a culture change.

I truly loved watching guys like Brown, Quick, Kopitar, and even Doughty from being young pups to Stanley Cup champs, but it's ancient history. Time to turn the page.

I would enjoy seeing some joy back in Kopitar's game if he moved on to a contending team at some point in the future. He would kick ass in Colorado, and likely put them over the top.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Perhaps, but it in my opinion it is a sign for a culture change.
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That's really difficult though. I think it requires more than just trading players.

I think Lombardi understood that. When he came to the Kings he fired everyone. All the way down to the training and equipment staff.

Trading Kopitar and Doughty would be extremely difficult because of their contracts, but if you cleaned house in the coaching staff, management, and everyone else around the team, re-did the facilities and everything, you could probably create a new atmosphere/culture around the team.
 
johnjm22 said:
That's really difficult though. I think it requires more than just trading players.

I think Lombardi understood that. When he came to the Kings he fired everyone. All the way down to the training and equipment staff.

Trading Kopitar and Doughty would be extremely difficult because of their contracts, but if you cleaned house in the coaching staff, management, and everyone else around the team, re-did the facilities and everything, you could probably create a new atmosphere/culture around the team.
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I don't think you need new facilities, but the rest for sure.
 
What franchise has ever parted willingly with homegrown talent while they’re still producing?

Penguins kept Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Fluery after coming up short constantly after first cup.

Vancouver kept the Sedins.
Philadelphia has kept Giroux
Winnipeg has kept Wheeler (not homegrown but still)
Washington kept Backstrom and Ovi
Tampa would’ve kept St. Louis but he got mad at them.
Boston kept Borque for ages
Chicago has kept Kane and Toews
San Jose kept Thornton forever (not homegrown but that’s his franchise)
Getzlaf is still with the Ducks.
 
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Docgonzo said:
What franchise has ever parted willingly with homegrown talent while they’re still producing?

Penguins kept Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Fluery after coming up short constantly after first cup.

Vancouver kept the Sedins.
Philadelphia has kept Giroux
Winnipeg has kept Wheeler (not homegrown but still)
Washington kept Backstrom and Ovi
Tampa would’ve kept St. Louis but he got mad at them.
Boston kept Borque for ages
Chicago has kept Kane and Toews
San Jose kept Thornton forever
Getzlaf is still with the Ducks.
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One correction here. Thornton started in Boston
 
Docgonzo said:
What franchise has ever parted willingly with homegrown talent while they’re still producing?

Penguins kept Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Fluery after coming up short constantly after first cup.

Vancouver kept the Sedins.
Philadelphia has kept Giroux
Winnipeg has kept Wheeler (not homegrown but still)
Washington kept Backstrom and Ovi
Tampa would’ve kept St. Louis but he got mad at them.
Boston kept Borque for ages
Chicago has kept Kane and Toews
San Jose kept Thornton forever (not homegrown but that’s his franchise)
Getzlaf is still with the Ducks.
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You make a great argument to trade the aging Vet core.

Vancouver never won
Phili hasn't won a cup with Giroux
Winn hasn't won a cup
Washington did win!!
TB won without St. Louis
Borque won his cup in Colorado
Chicago has been crap like LA since thier cups
SJ hasn't won shit
Getzlaf has run that team into the ground

LA probably should of completely blew it up after 2016.
 
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Fat Elvis said:
You make a great argument to trade the aging Vet core.

Vancouver never won
Phili hasn't won a cup with Giroux
Winn hasn't won a cup
Washington did win!!
TB won without St. Louis
Borque won his cup in Colorado
Chicago has been crap like LA since thier cups
SJ hasn't won shit
Getzlaf has run that team into the ground

LA probably should of completely blew it up after 2016.
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With that logic Pittsburgh should’ve trade Crosby and Malkin before their back to back cups. And Washington should’ve traded Ovi and Backstrom after those horrible Oates and Hunter coached years when people thought Ovi was done.

And Boston should trade Bergeron and Marchand since they haven’t won in ages.

McDavid hasn’t gotten out of the 2nd round better trade him, Matthew’s out of the first ditch him.
 
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Docgonzo said:
With that logic Pittsburgh should’ve trade Crosby and Malkin before their back to back cups. And Washington should’ve traded Ovi and Backstrom after those horrible Oates and Hunter coached years when people thought Ovi was done.

And Boston should trade Bergeron and Marchand since they haven’t won in ages.

McDavid hasn’t gotten out of the 2nd round better trade him, Matthew’s out of the first ditch him.
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Was just replying to the examples you gave. Borque specifically.
But yes, if Boston falters then maybe they should move out those guys.
One player doesn't win a championship by themselves. They need a full 23 man roster. Solid goaltending. Stout defense. More than 1 contributing line.

It's not easy building a serious contending team. Us Kings fans know all too well. Thank the hockey Gods we got to witness 2 Cup winning teams. Who knows how long it'll be until the next one.
 
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bland said:
KP, the way the Kings have handled this isn't the standard, its an anomaly. Nobody in the cap era had 1/4 of its roster locked into retirement deals. And yes, you absolutely move players when they are no longer fit into plans - its an absolute sin to cater to players when they can no longer provide the end goal.

That isn't an indictment of their ability, rather it is an honest look at the full situation and an appraisal of their value compared to their results. The results were never going to be there - it was virtually impossible for the Kings to succeed or receive value out of Kopitar's contract. It cemented the team into mediocrity.

This isn't a family no matter how much they market it that way. It is a business and you can't try to bend business goals around placating individuals who can't match previous successes EVEN if they maintain their own individual levels of performance.

Its cut and dried now, proven in time. Trying to maintain the Cup team was a failure. It cost them years of potential (not likely, but potential) growth and success.

So yeah, there is nothing so special about these guys that they deserve more than what other players who have succeeded then moved on have received. Its all part of the game, you either succeed, maintain, regress, falter or grow.

The Kings are maintaining failure now in the guise of honoring success. Progress isn't coming til they give up the ghosts. We have 8 years of this evidence to prove that point as gospel.
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Give one example of a team more than half way through a season, sitting 1st in the division, and top 5 overall, trading their best player, because it's the smart long term move. One. Just one.
 
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No Name The Nameless said:
I think the Kings should start kicking the tires on a young defenseman. It’s inevitable. Might as well bring him in and start merging. The Kk gs need a change of variable.
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Girard, Byram from Avs
Broberg from Oilers
Wouldn't be bad targets. NYR has some D prospects, but hard to sort through NYR's hype machine.

Any other D people like?
 
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Docgonzo said:
What franchise has ever parted willingly with homegrown talent while they’re still producing?

Penguins kept Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Fluery after coming up short constantly after first cup.

Vancouver kept the Sedins.
Philadelphia has kept Giroux
Winnipeg has kept Wheeler (not homegrown but still)
Washington kept Backstrom and Ovi
Tampa would’ve kept St. Louis but he got mad at them.
Boston kept Borque for ages
Chicago has kept Kane and Toews
San Jose kept Thornton forever (not homegrown but that’s his franchise)
Getzlaf is still with the Ducks.
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Virtually no one because it's idiotic. There is a reason GM's hate rebuilds, much less total rebuilds -- they almost never work.
 
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KINGS17 said:
A great young defenseman in Sergachev gets benched for half a period for being complacent and giving up a bad turnover, and it signals a trade to the Kings?

The Mayor is grasping for straws.
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I disagree I think it may show he's not as untouchable as you think he is. Both opinions are valid thought. PLayers who get benched are usually not as untradable as u think. Granted its only one game but its something Blake should look into.
 
johnjm22 said:
Trading for a defensemen in attempt to salvage this season has got to be the absolute stupidest idea possible.
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If they were looking to trade for a defenseman before the injuries they should still be. Drew will be back around xmass and there is still time in a weak division to make the playoffs so long as you can weather the time till then. A true top 4 defenseman would go a long way to help us get there.
 
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johnjm22 said:
Trading for a defensemen in attempt to salvage this season has got to be the absolute stupidest idea possible.
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Do you expect the Kings to eventually trade for a young defenseman?
Did you expect the Kings to win it this year?
I believe a defenseman trade is inevitable. I never expected the Kings to win it. Why not kick the tires and let the kids grow instead of wondering what their role is going to be?
 
onlyalad said:
Goalies
Kings did well developing goalies for a while
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