Speculation: 2021-21 LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster discussion part V

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Nobody is giving Blake a legit RHD. Maybe another Durzi.

LeBrun wants a trade because it's fun. The league isn't fun anymore. It's call up a guy from the AHL, and sink or swim with him, until the deadline, then maybe add a rental if things are going well.
 
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I heard Jonathan Toews was quite the captain, too.

In all seriousness - Kopitar has a subdued personality, but he led on the ice, consistently, playing in all situations, playing top minutes, playing within the systems of different coaches.

Coaches, mind you, with varying personalities and styles. ALL have trusted Kopitar with the varying responsibilities. He's missed fewer games than all of these "generational leaders" and led his team in scoring in as many or more seasons (I think he's tied with Ovechkin).

People are overreacting and taking out of context something said a decade ago about everyone having to be good. One that isn't even bad.

As much as you claim to respect/admire him, you still sell him short.
We have always disagreed about him, so no need to rehash that tired old argument. I don't think I am selling Anze short one bit, I honestly believe that the things he is so good at are the kinds of things that hockey nerds like us see at a younger age before the fairer weather fans do, and we put more weight on them because it makes feel validated for seeing them.

I would counter the games missed argument by noting that the players in mention all, to a man, play a much, much more intense brand of hockey so naturally they endured more physical wear and tear. Kopitar plays huge minutes, but they are controlled and measured, not constantly trying to push the pace of attack the net on the bulk of his shifts.

I have oftened wondered, and this is a discussion I think we will be having about Turcotte in a few seasons, why folks value stability over a long career more than a flame that burns hotter and brighter over a shorter period. I don't think one is especially more valuable than the other because it takes more than one type to make a successful team. Mike Richards gave everything he had to maximize his size and skill and burned out fast, but he is still the best pure winner I have ever seen in any sport. And now he is the butt of jokes.
 
Also, the team hasn't won shit since #11 has worn the C. It's been long enough, time for a new C.

I'm not saying Kopitar isn't great. Just saying it's time to see a different C
 
#SetBrownfree or #FreeBrown

Send him to a cup contending team. If he won't waive his NTC to play for another cup, than that says he's too comfortable and that's no bueno.

That move isn't happening in Oct or Nov. That's a deadline move.
 
Also, the team hasn't won shit since #11 has worn the C. It's been long enough, time for a new C.

I'm not saying Kopitar isn't great. Just saying it's time to see a different C

When he's gone, there will be a new one. He shouldn't have gotten the thing to begin with, but you can't just try different captains out every week.
 
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Mike Richards gave everything he had to maximize his size and skill and burned out fast, but he is still the best pure winner I have ever seen in any sport. And now he is the butt of jokes.

He’s the butt of jokes because fans are greedy. Fans love winning. Look at what happened in Philly, they loved Richie until he was traded. Made fun of him over dry Island etc. Then the scorn was turned onto flyers management once he was winning with the Kings.

Keep in mind, he’s still winning. Living on a lake, fishing everyday. Can’t beat that.
 
He’s the butt of jokes because fans are greedy. Fans love winning. Look at what happened in Philly, they loved Richie until he was traded. Made fun of him over dry Island etc. Then the scorn was turned onto flyers management once he was winning with the Kings.

Keep in mind, he’s still winning. Living on a lake, fishing everyday. Can’t beat that.
He's the butt of jokes because he sold out DL, not to mention he was the most overrated player in Kings history.
 
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Also, the team hasn't won shit since #11 has worn the C. It's been long enough, time for a new C.

I'm not saying Kopitar isn't great. Just saying it's time to see a different C
Yes we're losing because Kopitar is the Captain. Kings have issues and none of them involves who should wear the "C".
 
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Richards is/was one of the most overrated players of his generation.

That doesn't mean he wasn't a good and valuable player, because he was.

The love of Richards says something about North American hockey culture. People just love the idea of the blue collar player; who's not the most skilled in the world, but gives his all, is a "leader," and plays the tough minutes. Richards fit that sort of idealized figure perfectly. Even his name sounds blue collar.
 
Richards is/was one of the most overrated players of his generation.

That doesn't mean he wasn't a good and valuable player, because he was.

The love of Richards says something about North American hockey culture. People just love the idea of the blue collar player; who's not the most skilled in the world, but gives his all, is a "leader," and plays the tough minutes. Richards fit that sort of idealized figure perfectly. Even his name sounds blue collar.
What's wrong with that?
 
We have always disagreed about him, so no need to rehash that tired old argument. I don't think I am selling Anze short one bit, I honestly believe that the things he is so good at are the kinds of things that hockey nerds like us see at a younger age before the fairer weather fans do, and we put more weight on them because it makes feel validated for seeing them.

I would counter the games missed argument by noting that the players in mention all, to a man, play a much, much more intense brand of hockey so naturally they endured more physical wear and tear. Kopitar plays huge minutes, but they are controlled and measured, not constantly trying to push the pace of attack the net on the bulk of his shifts.

I have oftened wondered, and this is a discussion I think we will be having about Turcotte in a few seasons, why folks value stability over a long career more than a flame that burns hotter and brighter over a shorter period. I don't think one is especially more valuable than the other because it takes more than one type to make a successful team. Mike Richards gave everything he had to maximize his size and skill and burned out fast, but he is still the best pure winner I have ever seen in any sport. And now he is the butt of jokes.

By all this, though, aren't you countering both your statements of:
1) Kopitar isn't a nut swinging leader, thus the entire team suffers from his "leadership"
2) Kopitar's statement of "if everyone is good, nobody has to be great" is an indictment on his personality?

Kopitar has provided stability. It's not a bad thing. I have often said he's a Golden Retriever instead of a Doberman. However, it's not Kopitar's personality that sets the entire tone of the locker room. He was the same way during the cup runs.

Management just hasn't pulled in any dobermans since Richards and Williams left. They brought in Lucic, but he was the equivalent of a bulldog who humps the legs of guests. Iginla was retiring, and had no long-term emotional investment.

Kopitar's longevity and stability is exactly why he deserved the deal he got when he got it. It's not about honoring sacred cows. It's about putting a higher value on relationships than bringing in shiny new toys to start the rebuild faster.

And McLellan is doing that to Vilardi. Kopitar is an on-ice example of continuing to play when tired, dedication to two-way play, and other said qualities he brings. You can't use Kopitar to teach valuable skills to the youth if you traded him away "at max value."
 
Richards is/was one of the most overrated players of his generation.

That doesn't mean he wasn't a good and valuable player, because he was.

The love of Richards says something about North American hockey culture. People just love the idea of the blue collar player; who's not the most skilled in the world, but gives his all, is a "leader," and plays the tough minutes. Richards fit that sort of idealized figure perfectly. Even his name sounds blue collar.

Sorry, but this is just laughably wrong.
 
Richards is/was one of the most overrated players of his generation.

That doesn't mean he wasn't a good and valuable player, because he was.

The love of Richards says something about North American hockey culture. People just love the idea of the blue collar player; who's not the most skilled in the world, but gives his all, is a "leader," and plays the tough minutes. Richards fit that sort of idealized figure perfectly. Even his name sounds blue collar.

The myth of Mike Richards is why DL couldn't let him go when he should have. If no Cup that year though, I think DL gets rid of him. Same with Gaborik.

I don't know if that's a NA hockey culture thing though. Not many people anywhere don't enjoy the plucky and gritty underdog story.
 
I say go after a top LHD, instead of RHD. In 7 weeks, Doughty will be back. All the top D in the Kings' system, (save for Nousiainen) are RHD: Clarke, Faber, Grans, Spence.
Clarke or Faber may be ready to step in, next year. However, a top LHD will still be missing. Get a top or legit second pairing D.

Give up something, less than Byfield, Arty, Kupari, Turcotte, Chromiak, Helenius, Clarke, Faber. That still leaves a good stable of prospects to be willing to part with 1 or possibly 2 of, for the right defenseman. Fagemo, Pinelli, Madden, Thomas, Kirsanov, Grans, Spence...plus #2 rd 2022 and a roster player. Not wanting to part with anyone, but something must give.
 
Richards is/was one of the most overrated players of his generation.

That doesn't mean he wasn't a good and valuable player, because he was.

The love of Richards says something about North American hockey culture. People just love the idea of the blue collar player; who's not the most skilled in the world, but gives his all, is a "leader," and plays the tough minutes. Richards fit that sort of idealized figure perfectly. Even his name sounds blue collar.


So he's elite at all the completely underrated, non-quantified things that fit the Venn diagram that joins casual fans and hardcore advanced statters perfectly.

That makes him overlooked rather than overrated--he's only overrated to the above Venn diagram.
 
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