2021-2022 S Blues Multi-Purpose Thread Part 3

[jmwc95]

There's no middle ground between tanking and being a playoff team? Lmao okay then. You are missing the point.

No, you’re missing the point. Keeping your own player and them losing him as a UFA is better than trading away picks at the deadline for a soon-to-be UFA. If we traded away Barbashev AND Tarasenko, we won’t be a Cup contender next year. If we traded away Perron, we wouldn’t have been a Cup contender last year. Colorado didn’t trade Kadri. Why not? They were gonna lose him for nothing. You milk as many good years out of your players, and then you let them walk when they’re on the decline and use that cap space for players on the upswing. You replace those with cheap players you drafted. In theory, you wouldn’t trade anyone, you’d only replace from within. You use trades to plug the holes and get something for assets that are leaving only when you aren’t a contender. Blues are contenders. They need to load up as much as possible.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Finally some Leddy news. Anything under 5 would be good with me, and term is another consideration.

 

[BlueDream]

No, you’re missing the point. Keeping your own player and them losing him as a UFA is better than trading away picks at the deadline for a soon-to-be UFA. If we traded away Barbashev AND Tarasenko, we won’t be a Cup contender next year. If we traded away Perron, we wouldn’t have been a Cup contender last year. Colorado didn’t trade Kadri. Why not? They were gonna lose him for nothing. You milk as many good years out of your players, and then you let them walk when they’re on the decline and use that cap space for players on the upswing. You replace those with cheap players you drafted. In theory, you wouldn’t trade anyone, you’d only replace from within. You use trades to plug the holes and get something for assets that are leaving only when you aren’t a contender. Blues are contenders. They need to load up as much as possible.

You are arguing to never trade anyone and let everyone just walk into UFA. That's laughable.

One reason Colorado got to the position they are in is because of trades. They absolutely won big on trading Duchene, and got a good player from the O'Reilly trade as well. You have to acquire assets for players that don't have a future with your team if you want to extend your window and stay competitive.

This is going to be like arguing with a wall because you are the one poster on this board who refuses to entertain moving Tarasenko, but taking one step back so you can take two steps forward is what good teams do, and it's exactly what the Blues did in 2016-2018 before they won their Cup too.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I'm intrigued by which young AHLer steps up into a 4th line role this season. Could McGing, Alexandrov, or even Bitten get their way into the lineup.

I’ve got Alexandrov breaking through a little bit this season.

I like his developmental trajectory.

2019 draft from QMJHL

Back to the Q for one more season

Went pro in Finland and finished the season in NA with Utica scoring 5 points in 7 games.

Just finished 2nd pro season scoring 30 points in 67 games topped off by Cup Final run.

Not bad.

I see him as a Barbashev replacement.

Can’t wait to see him at Camp.

 

[BlueMed]

You are arguing to never trade anyone and let everyone just walk into UFA. That's laughable.

One reason Colorado got to the position they are in is because of trades. They absolutely won big on trading Duchene, and got a good player from the O'Reilly trade as well. You have to acquire assets for players that don't have a future with your team if you want to extend your window and stay competitive.

This is going to be like arguing with a wall because you are the one poster on this board who refuses to entertain moving Tarasenko, but taking one step back so you can take two steps forward is what good teams do, and it's exactly what the Blues did in 2016-2018 before they won their Cup too.

Disagreeing with other posters is fine, but let's try to avoid disrespectful or inflammatory comments. We need to continue fostering an open environment where those can freely express their opinions.

Kevin Weekes suggested the Blues as a surprise team in the Gaudreau sweepstakes on the Spittin' Chicklets pod today.

That would be a shocker to say the least.

Gaudreau does not play Blues hockey. He's a cherry-picking featherweight who avoids contact and likes to play on the perimeter.

 

[rumrokh]

No, you’re missing the point. Keeping your own player and them losing him as a UFA is better than trading away picks at the deadline for a soon-to-be UFA. If we traded away Barbashev AND Tarasenko, we won’t be a Cup contender next year. If we traded away Perron, we wouldn’t have been a Cup contender last year. Colorado didn’t trade Kadri. Why not? They were gonna lose him for nothing. You milk as many good years out of your players, and then you let them walk when they’re on the decline and use that cap space for players on the upswing. You replace those with cheap players you drafted. In theory, you wouldn’t trade anyone, you’d only replace from within. You use trades to plug the holes and get something for assets that are leaving only when you aren’t a contender. Blues are contenders. They need to load up as much as possible.

This only works if you're very confident the the team stays just as good if they don't re-sign their UFA's. They're already tight enough against the cap that there isn't more loading up they can reasonably do. And if they maintain the status quo, the team will not improve - something a contender cannot afford after failing. And, at this point, "loading up" will likely cost them the young, cheap talent they'll need as those UFA's leave.

That approach basically requires you to always get superior value from draft picks and always trade well. Remember how the Blues looked when they couldn't find a center? Moves like the O'Reilly and Schenn trades don't always fall into your lap. And not all draft picks turn out like Robert Thomas. Otherwise, they would have won the Cup way before 2019.

 

[The Note]

I really don’t want the Blues to extend Leddy, tbh. He was fine, probably even better than I expected, but him reportedly wanting $4+ AAV at some term isn’t appetizing to me.

 

[tfriede2]

I really don’t want the Blues to extend Leddy, tbh. He was fine, probably even better than I expected, but him reportedly wanting $4+ AAV at some term isn’t appetizing to me.

I understand that Leddy is better than Scandella, but I fear the possibility of a repeat scenario.

 

[bleedblue1223]

We are obviously trading Krug, extending Leddy, letting Perron walk, and signing Malkin to a sweetheart 1 year deal to play on a line with Buchnevich and Tarasenko.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

You are arguing to never trade anyone and let everyone just walk into UFA. That's laughable.

One reason Colorado got to the position they are in is because of trades. They absolutely won big on trading Duchene, and got a good player from the O'Reilly trade as well. You have to acquire assets for players that don't have a future with your team if you want to extend your window and stay competitive.

This is going to be like arguing with a wall because you are the one poster on this board who refuses to entertain moving Tarasenko, but taking one step back so you can take two steps forward is what good teams do, and it's exactly what the Blues did in 2016-2018 before they won their Cup too.

I would hardly say that they won big on Duchene. The only player of consequence for the Avs that came out of that trade was Sam Girard. Not a single one of those draft picks or other players panned out.

The Avs were a bad team when they traded Duchene shortly after the 1st period started of another loss. There was potential for the Avs to turn that trade into a boon, but it didn't work out that way.

All they effectivley got out of Duchene and ROR were Girard and Compher.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I would hardly say that they won big on Duchene. The only player of consequence for the Avs that came out of that trade was Sam Girard. Not a single one of those draft picks or other players panned out.

The Avs were a bad team when they traded Duchene shortly after the 1st period started of another loss. There was potential for the Avs to turn that trade into a boon, but it didn't work out that way.

All they effectivley got out of Duchene and ROR were Girard and Compher.

They also got 1st which they used on Bowen Byrom, who looks like heckuva young defenseman.

 

[BlueMed]

I understand that Leddy is better than Scandella, but I fear the possibility of a repeat scenario.

Nick Leddy has been a good player for years, which is why he was granted a nice contract in the past. The two players aren't really comparable.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I understand that Leddy is better than Scandella, but I fear the possibility of a repeat scenario.

I think with Scandella was whole shock of JayBo situation and Scandella and Parayko played way crazy good mostly fueled on emotion. Leddy was moved around and looked good throughout lineup.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

They also got 1st which they used on Bowen Byrom, who looks like heckuva young defenseman.

Don't think Byram resulted from that trade.

 

[BlueDream]

Don't think Byram resulted from that trade.

He did.

Also I just used the first examples off the top of my head but them moving Barrie for Kadri was also a great move.

Basically I can’t really believe someone advocated for not making trades. That wouldn’t work very well.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Don't think Byram resulted from that trade.

He did. Check again.

 

[jmwc95]

They also got 1st which they used on Bowen Byrom, who looks like heckuva young defenseman.

Like the posted said in a previous post, they weren’t Cup contenders when they traded ROR and Duchene. What soon to be UFAs have they traded away the last few years? We were a top 5 team in the league. Arguably the 2nd best team.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

He did.

Also I just used the first examples off the top of my head but them moving Barrie for Kadri was also a great move.

Basically I can’t really believe someone advocated for not making trades. That wouldn’t work very well.

Ahhh yes! Byram was a conditional pick that went from 2018 to 2019 cuz OTT drafted B Tkachuk.

He did. Check again.

Checked again and yes. He was the conditional 1st in 2019.

 

[jmwc95]

He did.

Also I just used the first examples off the top of my head but them moving Barrie for Kadri was also a great move.

Basically I can’t really believe someone advocated for not making trades. That wouldn’t work very well.

The point was to draft well and refill from within. You only trade to fill in gaps. You don’t trade every player away before they hit free agency. You try to sign them through their prime years at a reasonable rate and then let them walk away as a UFA when they leave their prime. Like Backes.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Like the posted said in a previous post, they weren’t Cup contenders when they traded ROR and Duchene. What soon to be UFAs have they traded away the last few years? We were a top 5 team in the league. Arguably the 2nd best team.

I’m not arguing that. I was just pointing out that they won duchene Trade.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Only thing I can see the Blues checking in on Gaudreau for is where he's signing and who that leaves to circle back to Tarasenko.

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Frank Seravelli is saying we are very close to an 8x8 deal with Thomas.

 

[bleedblue1223]

With Thomas' deal likely done, I wonder what we do with ROR and Kyrou. We could extend both and get it done, but I also see valid arguments for waiting and doing something mid-season. ROR, you want to see how where his offensive production is, and Kyrou you might want to see if he's someone you can give a big contract to and build around, or if he's someone that continues to frustrate.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I see Kyrou getting a matching 8x8 contract.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Suppose it's better than negotiations ending and him going to the market.