2021-2022 S Blues Multi-Purpose Thread Part 3

[Stupendous Yappi]

I would agree.

It’s being kept on the down low but I think Army is still really trying to unload Tarasenko. He and Tarasenko did a good job of killing the story all of last season by refusing to talk about after Tarasenko’s trade request but I would guess that both of their preferences would be to get it over with as to not risk is blowing up into a big distraction this season.

So maybe Tarasenko is more open to waiving his NTC to some locations than perhaps we’d think. Hard to say though as stuff doesn’t leak from the Blues as much as some other teams.

My expectation is that Vlad will play out this season with no drama, go to UFA, and end up in the Eastern Conference. Maybe in the Metropolitan. Not sure the Rangers can fit him, but I think he’ll be close to there.

 

[MissouriMook]

I'd be shocked at this point, assuming Tarasenko is either open to a trade or still asking to be traded, if Armstrong doesn't have his list of where he will waive and where he won't. I understand the point about DA typically waiting until a deal is agreed to before asking the player to waive, but this isn't that situation. I think Tarasenko's full NTC is probably functioning more like a limited NTC at this point (again, assuming the player's interest to be moved is still there) and Doug has the list of places he would waive to go.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

I'd be shocked at this point, assuming Tarasenko is either open to a trade or still asking to be traded, if Armstrong doesn't have his list of where he will waive and where he won't. I understand the point about DA typically waiting until a deal is agreed to before asking the player to waive, but this isn't that situation. I think Tarasenko's full NTC is probably functioning more like a limited NTC at this point (again, assuming the player's interest to be moved is still there) and Doug has the list of places he would waive to go.

Exactly my thinking as well.

The point at which a player/agent submits the “approved list” is what I want to know.

DA must know by now what Vladi’s list is.

 

[Brian39]

I think that Army's #1 priority at this point is to whittle down the 4 non-minimum-salary LD down to 3. We can only run a 22 man roster with all 4 of them on the roster. We could run a 23 man roster if we stashed Scandella or Mikkola in the minors, but that seems very unlikely (unless we are hoping Scandella gets claimed on the way). Right now, it looks like Army was trying to include Scandella as the 'even out the cap' piece in another trade. I wonder if that continues or if he will start to zero in on a standalone deal.

We can make a team without moving one of them, but we would have way more flexibility if Scandella is moved. Shedding Scandella's contract (and adding Perunovich+Neighbours) would leave us with about $2.3M in space. That covers any potential bonuses and gives us the ability to bank enough cap space for a major rental to plug whatever we want to address at the deadline.

Maybe Army is still trying to make a bigger LD splash/change and it isn't just moving Scandella to run Leddy/Krug/Mikkola. But if not, I have to think that simply shedding Scandella (even if it costs an asset) would be the final piece of free agency.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I think that Army's #1 priority at this point is to whittle down the 4 non-minimum-salary LD down to 3. We can only run a 22 man roster with all 4 of them on the roster. We could run a 23 man roster if we stashed Scandella or Mikkola in the minors, but that seems very unlikely (unless we are hoping Scandella gets claimed on the way). Right now, it looks like Army was trying to include Scandella as the 'even out the cap' piece in another trade. I wonder if that continues or if he will start to zero in on a standalone deal.

We can make a team without moving one of them, but we would have way more flexibility if Scandella is moved. Shedding Scandella's contract (and adding Perunovich+Neighbours) would leave us with about $2.3M in space. That covers any potential bonuses and gives us the ability to bank enough cap space for a major rental to plug whatever we want to address at the deadline.

Maybe Army is still trying to make a bigger LD splash/change and it isn't just moving Scandella to run Leddy/Krug/Mikkola. But if not, I have to think that simply shedding Scandella (even if it costs an asset) would be the final piece of free agency.

Bank cap space for major rental. Saad and Leddy talking to their boy Kane to come over. Grab popcorn and watch hockey internet lose their minds.

 

[Brian39]

I assume that Army has a decent idea of Tarasenko's list and I wouldn't be surprised if Tarasenko has given him a firm "I'll go to these X teams" list. However, if I were Army, I wouldn't be limiting my search of trade partners to those teams. I'd be shopping him all around. If I wasn't getting interest from his approved list and I found a taker from a team not on his list, I'd be more than comfortable trying to convince him to expand his list by saying something along the lines of this:

"none of the teams on your list have made a realistic offer. I've been working on it all summer and this is the only offer I've gotten that I'd consider taking. I'll continue entertaining offers through the year from teams on your list, but after today, I'm done actively shopping you. If you want off this team, you need to waive to facilitate this deal. If you don't want to do that, then we are excited to take one more run at the Cup with you in 2022/23. If I'm asked by a reporter, I'm going to tell them that you vetoed a trade away from St. Louis and make it clear that we consider the trade request rescinded."

Put the ball in his court and let him make the choice.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I assume that Army has a decent idea of Tarasenko's list and I wouldn't be surprised if Tarasenko has given him a firm "I'll go to these X teams" list. However, if I were Army, I wouldn't be limiting my search of trade partners to those teams. I'd be shopping him all around. If I wasn't getting interest from his approved list and I found a taker from a team not on his list, I'd be more than comfortable trying to convince him to expand his list by saying something along the lines of this:

"none of the teams on your list have made a realistic offer. I've been working on it all summer and this is the only offer I've gotten that I'd consider taking. I'll continue entertaining offers through the year from teams on your list, but after today, I'm done actively shopping you. If you want off this team, you need to waive to facilitate this deal. If you don't want to do that, then we are excited to take one more run at the Cup with you in 2022/23. If I'm asked by a reporter, I'm going to tell them that you vetoed a trade away from St. Louis and make it clear that we consider the trade request rescinded."

Put the ball in his court and let him make the choice.

Yeah, I think Army opens negotiations to all teams and would go to Tarasenko and say this is the only offer we received that we'd accept. The team isn't on your preferred list, but it's up to you to go to team X or stay in St. Louis.

 

[Reality Czech]

My expectation is that Vlad will play out this season with no drama, go to UFA, and end up in the Eastern Conference. Maybe in the Metropolitan. Not sure the Rangers can fit him, but I think he’ll be close to there.

That's what I expect. Anything is possible but the rumors I've read make it seem like nether side is actively pursuing a trade right now. And even if we did want to trade Tarasenko, what kind of value would we get back in this market? I bet he plays the season in St. Louis.

 

[STL fan in MN]

That's what I expect. Anything is possible but the rumors I've read make it seem like nether side is actively pursuing a trade right now. And even if we did want to trade Tarasenko, what kind of value would we get back in this market? I bet he plays the season in St. Louis.

JR reported that Army just offered Tarasenko up for trade as part of a package for Tkachuk…

Maybe that’ll be the end of it but it’s also logical to think that there will be more attempts at trading Tarasenko.

 

[Reality Czech]

JR reported that Army just offered Tarasenko up for trade as part of a package for Tkachuk…

Maybe that’ll be the end of it but it’s also logical to think that there will be more attempts at trading Tarasenko.

True, I would take that as a special case due to Tkachuk's availability but I don't get the sense he is actively shopping him anymore.

 

[kimzey59]

JR reported that Army just offered Tarasenko up for trade as part of a package for Tkachuk…

Maybe that’ll be the end of it but it’s also logical to think that there will be more attempts at trading Tarasenko.

Honestly, I'm really paying attention to the situation in NJ. Things could get really hairy for them if things don't go well with Bratt and Wood. I really wonder if they don't move Bratt if the arbitration ruling doesn't go their way(and it's not going to go their way, he's going to get a good sized raise).

 

[MissouriMook]

We seem to be at a bit of an impasse on the Tarasenko trade front the more I think about it. Tkachuk was probably the last player available that 1. we would have interest in, 2. would have been available, and 3. would have been an upgrade on Tarasenko. I can't see Armstrong willingly downgrading at forward moving Tarasenko out for a lesser player unless there was a significant future upside.

From the usual suspects as to where it is believed Tarasenko would go, the only deals that come to mind are swapping him for either Beauvillier (not really interested) or Sharangovich (a bit intriguing). I could see something along the lines of Tarasenko at 50% for Sharangovich (still saves $1.75M in cap space) if we feel like Sharangovich at 24 with at least 3 more years of team control is a future 30/30/60 guy , but I'd probably want something else nice like a 2nd round pick for the discount. That should still leave the Devils plenty of room to re-sign Bratt and Wood, I'm just not sure how interested they would be in a 30 year old Tarasenko long-term over a 24 year old Sharangovich unless they were looking for some additional experience at wing to help develop their young centers.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Honestly, I'm really paying attention to the situation in NJ. Things could get really hairy for them if things don't go well with Bratt and Wood. I really wonder if they don't move Bratt if the arbitration ruling doesn't go their way(and it's not going to go their way, he's going to get a good sized raise).

Just curious, but why? Seems like they have more than enough cap space to pay arb increases to both players.

 

[kimzey59]

Just curious, but why? Seems like they have more than enough cap space to pay arb increases to both players.

They have roughly 9 mil in cap space.
Miles Wood is going to take at least 2.8 of it.

Is 6 mil really going to be enough for a guy who just went PPG(73 points in 76 games), and plays in every situation?

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Trade talks didn't get to far then.

 

[PocketNines]

"mY sOuRcEs" LMFAO

 

[STL fan in MN]

Trade talks didn't get to far then.

Yep. No point asking a player to waive a NTC unless the potential trade partner shows interest. CGY clearly preferred FLA’s offer (and for good reason) so I would think the next thing Army heard was something along the lines of “no thanks.”

 

[Xanadude]

Bank cap space for major rental. Saad and Leddy talking to their boy Kane to come over. Grab popcorn and watch hockey internet lose their minds.

Ughhhhh I would love/hate that. It'd be so gross to see him wearing the note but that dude is absolute money in the playoffs. Can you imagine our forward core with him? Still, I feel like Kane's a big city boy. I could easily see him being a rental for the Rangers, who probably have a better futures package to offer.

In regards to the did we/didn't we thing, I'm guessing the Tarasenko package was discussed with Calgary (making JR accurate) and wasn't taken far enough to require a heads-up with Vladimir himself (making Strick right too).

I'd still like to see Tarasenko moved for a younger, non-rental middle-six RW in order to give us some cap for a deadline rental and a replacement for when we need to sign ROR and Kyrou next year. I like Beauvillier, Wahlstrom, Necas and Sharangovich as options, but I'm sure there's others out there.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Yeah, I'd bet both JR and Strickland were right on that part. Tarasenko was the offer, was at least considered enough to get to the final 3, but since Calgary accpeted only 1 offer, there was no point in approaching Tarasenko about it.

 

[MissouriMook]

Yeah, we've seen how good his "sources" are. Indulge this turd at your peril.

 

[Stealth JD]

I wonder if that’s a Strick Nasty guarantee?

 

[joe galiba]

This is very true.

I will maintain that I still would’ve preferred to have kept Perron at that term/price but we do still have a ton of good players, some of which are more than capable of stepping up into bigger roles than they had last season.

That said, the strategy for the top PP unit will likely have to be reconfigured as I don’t see an obvious right-handed one-timer trigger man to perfectly step into Perron’s role as the hammer but we have tons of skilled guys and there’s lots of ways to run a successful PP.

Faulk, to me, is that right handed shot on that unit
it is wicked as f*** and accurate as well

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

Trade talks didn't get to far then.

I'd imagine trade talks tend to end quickly when another team offers one of the 7 players in the league that scored more than Tkachuk last season.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

This is very true.

I will maintain that I still would’ve preferred to have kept Perron at that term/price but we do still have a ton of good players, some of which are more than capable of stepping up into bigger roles than they had last season.

That said, the strategy for the top PP unit will likely have to be reconfigured as I don’t see an obvious right-handed one-timer trigger man to perfectly step into Perron’s role as the hammer but we have tons of skilled guys and there’s lots of ways to run a successful PP.

Great point.

It's not like we need to mimic what Perron did for the PP out of his corner. Would be nice if we could, but DP's playmaking ability, more than his one-timer, will be what is most missed on the PP.

That said, wasn't Ott the PP guy and not Monty?