2021-2022 S Blues Multi-Purpose Thread Part 3

[eibyyz]

I have no interest in adding Kyrou to a MT deal. I’d rather sign Kyrou to 8 yrs x 7 mill and ROR to 3 yrs x 6 mill. There won’t be any room for MT after signing Thomas, Kyrou and ROR unfortunately. If we can’t strike a deal with ROR, then that changes. Also, We better hope Neighbors and Bolduc are legit top 6 players.

I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline, but didn't we make a run for Lindros and 'settled' for Walt?

I don't mind MT at all but I don't want to get hamstrung for a decade.

 

[Mike Liut]

I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline, but didn't we make a run for Lindros and 'settled' for Walt?

I don't mind MT at all but I don't want to get hamstrung for a decade.

we almost had Lindros and Tkachuk. We made a move for both. Still ended up with Tkachuk.

 

[Hrkac Circus]

Anyone else remember a couple years ago we were playing the Wings and Frk fumbled the puck right to one of forwards in front of the net? I don’t remember if we scored or the goalie bailed him out but it was a laughingly bad giveaway.

 

[Brian39]

Anyone else starting to read something into the fact that Mikkola still hasn't signed? I get that Kostin is a KHL risk and Todd is just an AHL guy, but the team has brought in a lot of AHL/NHL tweeners in the last couple of days and I'm beginning to wonder if maybe they're either looking at a longer term deal with him and that's why it is taking longer or if he's being held back because they anticipate him being part of a trade package.

The only thing I read into it is that he wants to make more money than his qualifying offer and knows that he can use arbitration to get it. With the exception of Acciari, all the depth brought in and extended has been on deals that pay league minimum. Mikkola wants (and should get) more and Army has no incentive to invest time/energy into that negotiation until more time sensitive matters are concluded.

We might be shopping him around, but I doubt he carries much value to make it worthwhile.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

If we aren't able to make deal we like to shed salary, we may need to "bury" someone like Miko or Marco in Springfield to get under cap. Possible they are claimed when we send them down, but that would solve cap problem too.

 

[WeWentBlues]

If we aren't able to make deal we like to shed salary, we may need to "bury" someone like Miko or Marco in Springfield to get under cap. Possible they are claimed when we send them down, but that would solve cap problem too.

That would actually add net salary to our cap as neither of their contracts are fully buryable. We'd be carrying their partial cap charge while in Springfield while also calling up another player.

With the current roster construction, I don't see a move that would allow the Blues to have an active 23 man roster, whether it be a 14th forward or an 8th d-man. Blues are only showing about 600k in available space on this CapFriendly projection. This signals to me that a move is likely, whether its Krug, Scandella or Mikkola.

 

[execwrite1]

That would actually add net salary to our cap as neither of their contracts are fully buryable. We'd be carrying their partial cap charge while in Springfield while also calling up another player.

With the current roster construction, I don't see a move that would allow the Blues to have an active 23 man roster, whether it be a 14th forward or an 8th d-man. Blues are only showing about 600k in available space on this CapFriendly projection. This signals to me that a move is likely, whether its Krug, Scandella or Mikkola.

Eight NHL d-men is a lot unless they play 7 and 11 forwards every nite.

Have to move one of those three.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

That would actually add net salary to our cap as neither of their contracts are fully buryable. We'd be carrying their partial cap charge while in Springfield while also calling up another player.

With the current roster construction, I don't see a move that would allow the Blues to have an active 23 man roster, whether it be a 14th forward or an 8th d-man. Blues are only showing about 600k in available space on this CapFriendly projection. This signals to me that a move is likely, whether its Krug, Scandella or Mikkola.

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They don't have to call anyone up. They could partially bury a contract and run with a 22 man roster.

I don't think this is Amrstrong's plan A, but its feasible.

 

[WeWentBlues]

They don't have to call anyone up. They could partially bury a contract and run with a 22 man roster.

I don't think this is Amrstrong's plan A, but its feasible.

Never known the Blues to go into a season with only 22 active players because of cap. However, with as shorthanded as we had to play at times last year due to COVID, maybe there is a higher level of comfort there.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

That would actually add net salary to our cap as neither of their contracts are fully buryable. We'd be carrying their partial cap charge while in Springfield while also calling up another player.

With the current roster construction, I don't see a move that would allow the Blues to have an active 23 man roster, whether it be a 14th forward or an 8th d-man. Blues are only showing about 600k in available space on this CapFriendly projection. This signals to me that a move is likely, whether its Krug, Scandella or Mikkola.

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You can bury $1.0mm or so (don't know exact amount) of contract. So you could demote one of them and keep up Peru or Rosen and that would be less salary cap than keeping them up. Not saying I want to do this or expect we will, just that is option.

 

[MissouriMook]

You can bury $1.0mm or so (don't know exact amount) of contract. So you could demote one of them and keep up Peru or Rosen and that would be less salary cap than keeping them up. Not saying I want to do this or expect we will, just that is option.

I believe the figure climbs to $1.1M this season, but I could very easily be remembering that wrong.

 

[WeWentBlues]

You can bury $1.0mm or so (don't know exact amount) of contract. So you could demote one of them and keep up Peru or Rosen and that would be less salary cap than keeping them up. Not saying I want to do this or expect we will, just that is option.

I suppose that is correct and would only apply when the player you are replacing the buried salary with makes between the league minimum and the 1.125M amount you can bury.

Let's use Scandella for example.
Scandella 3.275M cap hit when on the active roster
Scandella 2.15M cap hit when buried in the minors + 750k Perunovich = 2.9M cap hit
Net cap savings: 375k

I believe the figure climbs to $1.1M this season, but I could very easily be remembering that wrong.

 

[bleedblue1223]

 

[Linkens Mastery]

As long as we can Trust Thomas to be fully honest with his statement we shouldn't worry about anything. Also Kyrou wasn't at the venue or even in the area for the event the point of time as well.

 

[joe galiba]

As long as we can Trust Thomas to be fully honest with his statement we shouldn't worry about anything. Also Kyrou wasn't at the venue or even in the area for the event the point of time as well.

Unless they come up with some physical evidence 4 years later, it is going to be everyone denying everything, guilty or innocent
if i remember what I read about this, the victim isn't even sure which guys it was then, she certainly won't know which it is now
so now all the guys who weren't involved are going to be painted with the same brush as the ones who were
complete shit show all the way around

 

[Frenzy31]

Wow. This is scary for everyone except the guy who MAY have done it.

In my opinion, the worst kinds of crimes are those of sexual in nature. Both rape and molestation are worse then even murder. But if you cant remember anything from the night, especially not who, than how the heck are you reporting it. It is not fair to the players who were not involved. Further, if you don't remember who and cant identify who, then how are we to even know it was one of the players for team Canada and not some random person hanging out at the same bar.

As a man, how do you even protect yourself again false claims . You have to video the entire act just to cover you on backside - which is also illegal. What do you tell your son?

 

[BlueDream]

Wow. This is scary for everyone except the guy who MAY have done it.

In my opinion, the worst kinds of crimes are those of sexual in nature. Both rape and molestation are worse then even murder. But if you cant remember anything from the night, especially not who, than how the heck are you reporting it. It is not fair to the players who were not involved. Further, if you don't remember who and cant identify who, then how are we to even know it was one of the players for team Canada and not some random person hanging out at the same bar.

As a man, how do you even protect yourself again false claims . You have to video the entire act just to cover you on backside - which is also illegal. What do you tell your son?

Well no, nothing is worse than literally taking someone's life away.

 

[Xerloris]

As a man, how do you even protect yourself again false claims . You have to video the entire act just to cover you on backside - which is also illegal. What do you tell your son?

Get yourself a wife and never ever be alone with another woman again. Always take your wife for your own safety.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Unless they come up with some physical evidence 4 years later, it is going to be everyone denying everything, guilty or innocent
if i remember what I read about this, the victim isn't even sure which guys it was then, she certainly won't know which it is now
so now all the guys who weren't involved are going to be painted with the same brush as the ones who were
complete shit show all the way around

It has been reported that the 7 guys involved apparently had lawyers and gave statements to local police 4 years or so ago claiming it was all consensual. I say this not to vouch for their innocence or affirm her consent, of both of which I am skeptical, but based on this reporting it shouldn't have been difficult for Hockey Canada to ascertain the identity of the alleged perpetrators. If they had wanted to, which they obviously didn't. Until their sponsors started abandoning them this month.

 

[Bluesfan54]

At least parts of the incident were taped (apparently recording your sex is a thing these days) and there is a video of her saying it was consensual sex and she was drunk. But was she told to say that? Did she consent to the original sex but not to what happened later? Whoever did the original investigation did a real half-assed job. It’s highly doubtful that any dna samples were taken at the time since she apparently didn’t want to press the issue then, so a lot of the questions may never be answered. One big mess.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

At least parts of the incident were taped (apparently recording your sex is a thing these days) and there is a video of her saying it was consensual sex and she was drunk. But was she told to say that? Did she consent to the original sex but not to what happened later? Whoever did the original investigation did a real half-assed job. It’s highly doubtful that any dna samples were taken at the time since she apparently didn’t want to press the issue then, so a lot of the questions may never be answered. One big mess.

I don't know how the law is there but if she was intoxicated doesn't that mean she was legally unable to give consent?

 

[PJJJP]

So Kyrou just confirmed that he wasn't at the Gala and wasn't in London at the time of the incident

 

[Linkens Mastery]

So Kyrou just confirmed that he wasn't at the Gala and wasn't in London at the time of the incident

Yep. That's been known for awhile. Him and Mette and I think two others were not there.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

At least parts of the incident were taped (apparently recording your sex is a thing these days) and there is a video of her saying it was consensual sex and she was drunk. But was she told to say that? Did she consent to the original sex but not to what happened later? Whoever did the original investigation did a real half-assed job. It’s highly doubtful that any dna samples were taken at the time since she apparently didn’t want to press the issue then, so a lot of the questions may never be answered. One big mess.

The TSN article quotes a legal expert who says consent has to be ongoing, and just bc she consented at one point to something doesn't impact whether subsequent acts were consensual. Article also quotes text messages between player and her in which he is pressuring her to not press charges. Doesn't identify players at this point.

I also find it interesting (and reassuring as a Blues fan) that Thomas and Kyrou both said they were not present at incident and not involved. Lawyers for some other players have said their clients didn't "engage in any wrongdoing" which to me sounds more like saying that said player was part of this but doesn't think he did anything wrong. YMMV

 

[tfriede2]

The TSN article quotes a legal expert who says consent has to be ongoing, and just bc she consented at one point to something doesn't impact whether subsequent acts were consensual. Article also quotes text messages between player and her in which he is pressuring her to not press charges. Doesn't identify players at this point.

I also find it interesting (and reassuring as a Blues fan) that Thomas and Kyrou both said they were not present at incident and not involved. Lawyers for some other players have said their clients didn't "engage in any wrongdoing" which to me sounds more like saying that said player was part of this but doesn't think he did anything wrong. YMMV

Technically Thomas didn’t say he wasn’t present - though he did say he was not involved in the alleged incident and didn’t witness it.