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GDT: 2020 World Junior Championships

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jfont said:
wow! so Kaliyev and Fagemo are going to bust? :help:
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Seriously hope your kidding. I'm merely stating scoring a ton of points at the world junior doesn't mean you're going to be a good player in the NHL. Using a few examples because some folks are calling out Turcotte for not putting up points. And yes even though Kaliyev and Fagemo are doing well the jury is still out on them. :facepalm:
 
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Statto said:
Genuine question as I’m not watching all the games. How is he being used? Is he playing with guys that will get the most out of his offensive ability and/or is he being used in a shutdown role.

I never worry about these tournaments as a gauge for future NHL performance, it just isn’t reliable. Certainly not points totals. If he’s competing and playing well, I’m not too bothered about point totals. It’s more important that Arty scores as that’s the sole point of him being there.
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I brought up the Hickey WJC because he did not play well and a million excuses were made on his behalf. Now, Turcotte is playing better than Hickey did--which is why I said it isn't totally the same--but it is fishy when the general consensus from non-Kings fans is that he has more to give while this board is marveling at a back check. There is a lot riding on Turcotte hitting his full potential just like there was for us back when Hickey was supposed to be the #1 defenseman of the future. I remember one poster being adamant that Hickey's game doesn't translate well to a tournament like this that is more suited to hot dogs like Subban...something like the lack of practice time makes it an individual thing more than a team thing and Subban's game wouldn't translate to the NHL with Hickey being the better player. Those were good times. Reading praise for backchecks while Zegras is piling up points just kind of took me back to that WJC.

I'm by no means dismissing him as a bust or anything like that, just felt like his ho-hum performance was kind of being glossed over. Great pass today in the 3 v. 3 OT. I hope he can build off of it and start imposing his will a little more on offense. He's playing against older dudes in the NCAA so I know he is capable even if he isn't a 19 year old.
 
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Getz2noone said:
I havnt really been able to catch Finlad/sweeden group games
How have fagemo and bjornfoot looked? Loved both picks(and kaliyev) Really wanted all 3 of them to end up with Anaheim … What are your realistic expectations of fagemo? That whole draft class for you guys looks Steller... and I imagine you guys are going to have another big year at the draft this year.

Obviously seen a lot of Kaliyev/Turcotte… and hes just a natural goal scorer, was very smart pick to grab him while he was available, any flaws he supposedly has can be cleaned up by the time he starts playin in the NHL. Turcotte while a bit quiet so far, but I expect hes going to be a big part of usa game if they want a chance at gold.

And so I don't have to flood your boards, I havnt been able to catch any Reign games yet but vilardi looks to be doing pretty well after returning... if carter is moved do you think there is a chance he gets a call up? Or do you think hell benefit more from conditioning the whole year in the AHL?
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I've liked both Fagemo and Bjornfot, so far, with what I have seen. Over on the Sweden/WJC board, Bjornfot has been crapped on quite a bit. Not sure why.

As far as expectations of Fagemo, I think he could top out as a middle-6 player. Definitely the kind of player who amps his game up in tournaments and against international competition, but during the long haul of an SHL season, not consistent. Definitely could stand some conditioning.

As far as Vilardi, it's not really sure what the plan is. I think they would like to give him a cup of coffee so he can see where he needs to improve the most. I don't think it's a given he'll have a spot in the NHL once a center is moved, as Jaret Anderson-Dolan is going to get a call-up as well.

I would be extremely surprised if Vilardi did not get a couple NHL games, though.

Statto said:
Genuine question as I’m not watching all the games. How is he being used? Is he playing with guys that will get the most out of his offensive ability and/or is he being used in a shutdown role.

I never worry about these tournaments as a gauge for future NHL performance, it just isn’t reliable. Certainly not points totals. If he’s competing and playing well, I’m not too bothered about point totals. It’s more important that Arty scores as that’s the sole point of him being there.
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Turcotte started out as the third line left wing in game one. He seemed very much out of place as he never plays wing. He eventually moved to the center spot, centering John Beecher and Cole Caufield. Beecher is an exceptional two-way player, and Caufield, well, we know what he can do.

In my opinion, Caufield has been closer to poor than average, and Turcotte has been slightly above average. The effort has been there. The skill has been up and down. The results have not been there.

All things considered, the forward lines, in my opinion, should be:
Zegras - Pinto - Kaliyev
Robertson - Turcotte - Caufield
Beecher - Drury - Brink
Ford - Hall - Wahlstrom
 
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Getz2noone said:
I havnt really been able to catch Finlad/sweeden group games
How have fagemo and bjornfoot looked? Loved both picks(and kaliyev) Really wanted all 3 of them to end up with Anaheim … What are your realistic expectations of fagemo? That whole draft class for you guys looks Steller... and I imagine you guys are going to have another big year at the draft this year.
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I haven't seen any of Sweden's games so I can't answer your first question. As far as realistic expectations go, it seems like reasonable expectation of Fagemo would be a 2nd/3rd line player who provides a lot of energy and puts up 15-20 goals a season (30-40 points).

The 2019 draft class is looking amazing so far. Turcotte, Bjornfot, Kaliyev, Fagemo, Parik (who looked really good after a shaky start against the USA today), and Nousiainen are all 2019 draftees and playing medium-to-big roles in this WJC.

Getz2noone said:
Obviously seen a lot of Kaliyev/Turcotte… and hes just a natural goal scorer, was very smart pick to grab him while he was available, any flaws he supposedly has can be cleaned up by the time he starts playin in the NHL. Turcotte while a bit quiet so far, but I expect hes going to be a big part of usa game if they want a chance at gold.
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It is impressive how Kaliyev just needs a split second to make an impact when he otherwise isn't doing a ton out there (that's not to say he hasn't been good; he's made some very clever passes, especially today). That's something that can't be taught. Hopefully he can get a little quicker over the next few years. Turcotte seems like the type of player who will play better the bigger the game. Let's hope that's the case this week.

Getz2noone said:
And so I don't have to flood your boards, I havnt been able to catch any Reign games yet but vilardi looks to be doing pretty well after returning... if carter is moved do you think there is a chance he gets a call up? Or do you think hell benefit more from conditioning the whole year in the AHL?
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I'd prefer that he stays in the AHL all season just to get a full professional season without any sort of pressure. If he stays healthy all year, maybe he'll get a handful of games at the end of the season. As far as your premise goes, I would be surprised if Carter is traded, even with him having a bounce-back year. It seems like he really wants to stay in LA, the organization seems to value him very highly, and his cap hit and contract length could be prohibitive to any deal (notwithstanding the actual cash owed and the possibility of the Kings retaining some cap hit).
 
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Just to add, Turcotte and Caufield get really odd deployments. Notice the game winning goal was 3:14 into OT. That was their first shift in OT. Robertson-Pinto, Beecher-Drury, and Zegras-Wahlstrom (forget the forward pairings completely) all went before Turcotte-Caufield
 
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King'sPawn said:
Just to add, Turcotte and Caufield get really odd deployments. Notice the game winning goal was 3:14 into OT. That was their first shift in OT. Robertson-Pinto, Beecher-Drury, and Zegras-Wahlstrom (forget the forward pairings completely) all went before Turcotte-Caufield
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yeah, the usa coach has made a lot of strange choices when it comes to ice time.
 
Here are the potential placements per team per group:

A
SWE: 1-2 (Fagemo, Bjornfot)
FIN: 1-3 (Kupari, Nousiainen)
SUI: 1-3
SVK: 4
KAZ: 5

B
USA: 1-2 (Turcotte, Kaliyev)
CAN: 1-4 (Thomas, Dudas)
CZE: 2-5 (Parik)
RUS: 3-5
GER: 3-5

The 5th place team in each group plays each other in relegation, in a best-of-3 series. So, Kazakhstan will play either CZE, RUS, or GER. The losing team gets relegated to D-1. Austria, the winner from D-1 earlier this year, takes the relegated team's place next season.

The top four teams from each group get mixed in the quarterfinals:
1A vs. 4B
2A vs. 3B
3A vs. 2B
4A vs. 1B.

For example, USA will get top seed if Czech Republic beats Canada in any fashion tomorrow. If Canada wins in any way, they claim the top seed. USA will either face Slovakia in a 1B/4A scenario, or Finland/Switzerland in a 2B/3A scenario.
 
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ru4reals said:
Seriously hope your kidding. I'm merely stating scoring a ton of points at the world junior doesn't mean you're going to be a good player in the NHL. Using a few examples because some folks are calling out Turcotte for not putting up points. And yes even though Kaliyev and Fagemo are doing well the jury is still out on them. :facepalm:
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hey, just trying to use your previous logic that top scorers don't translate to nhlers. I then asked if kaliyev and fagemo will bust if that is the logic you're using (since they're putting up good production in wjc).

I'm going out on a limb (based on what I've seen at wjc) and say zegras will be an topline nhler..
Turcotte? jury is still out though I do hope he becomes at least a top 6.
 
Still a long ways to go before anyone, whether it's Zegras, Turcotte, Kaliyev, etc are anointed as top line players. Not all players who participate in the WJC become top NHLers.

However, almost every single top NHLer has participated in the WJC in some capacity. Even undrafted Artemi Panarin played in this tournament.
 
King'sPawn said:
Still a long ways to go before anyone, whether it's Zegras, Turcotte, Kaliyev, etc are anointed as top line players. Not all players who participate in the WJC become top NHLers.

However, almost every single top NHLer has participated in the WJC in some capacity. Even undrafted Artemi Panarin played in this tournament.
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And Panarin's statline was a pretty modest 3-2-5 in 7.

There's almost nothing to read from the tourney itself, probably more so for players whose usage is getting dicked around.
 
jfont said:
hey, just trying to use your previous logic that top scorers don't translate to nhlers. I then asked if kaliyev and fagemo will bust if that is the logic you're using (since they're putting up good production in wjc).

I'm going out on a limb (based on what I've seen at wjc) and say zegras will be an topline nhler..
Turcotte? jury is still out though I do hope he becomes at least a top 6.
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I never said ALL top scorers don't translate well into the NHL. I'm saying because some were drilling Turcotte for not getting more points to relax on criticism and look at some players who's scored a ton of points at the world juniors yet have become either busts or marginal players. Zegras, Fagemo, Kaliyev are doing great no doubt but truthfully we'll never know until they actually reach the NHL. And yes lets hope Turcotte is at least a top six player cuz it will sting big time if he isn't.
 
ru4reals said:
I never said ALL top scorers don't translate well into the NHL. I'm saying because some were drilling Turcotte for not getting more points to relax on criticism and look at some players who's scored a ton of points at the world juniors yet have become either busts or marginal players. Zegras, Fagemo, Kaliyev are doing great no doubt but truthfully we'll never know until they actually reach the NHL. And yes lets hope Turcotte is at least a top six player cuz it will sting big time if he isn't.
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Game winning assist and driving play all over the ice.

Give this dude some linemates and more icetime than Drury and watch what happens.
 
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Dayem Jen Jenik Kaliyev's Teammate and centerman is supposedly out for the season if I heard correctly. Wonder how that will affect AK moving forward in the OHL.
 
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