WJC: 2020 Team USA Roster Talk

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I finished watching the game from today.

I didn't like how we played, and I think this team is going to struggle if the coach relies so heavily on these 2000 born players. We struggled a lot at even strength. The only line I liked was the one with Robertson and Wahlstrom. Pinto wasn't bad either, but he's clearly there to play more of a grinder role on that line.

It was pathetic how little Brink and York played. I think York got a few shifts at even strength, which was better than Brink. I don't know if there are stats for this game, but I'd be surprised if Brink played a second outside of the PP. There's little justification for using Stastney in such a big role over York. If you are going to have Stastney on the team, he's the 7th defenseman. Stastney was playing PK over Emberson, which is also completely ridiculous. I suspect the lineup for the first game will be the same as today, but with Zegras replacing Beecher on the second line, and Beecher in the spot of Janicke, who was cut.

This coach also thinks these 2000 born centers are better than they are. How can you tell a top five pick at center like Turcotte that an undrafted guy like Ford needs to be his center or Zegras, a top 10 pick center, that a grinder like Drury needs to be his center? Ford probably doesn't even belong on the team. And if he's on it, it's in a 13F role or at least the 4th line. Drury should be no higher than third line. He works very hard and isn't bad, but he's a complete passenger on a line with skill players. He doesn't belong on the PP either. I suspect that might be corrected when Zegras re-enters the lineup. Pinto is more skilled, and I wouldn't mind his line with Wahlstrom and Robertson as line 3, if Turcotte and Zegras are the centers on lines 1 and 2. Pinto and Drury can both play 3C on a team like this, but not any higher.

And this kind of thing filters down. If you slot Ford, Drury, Pinto correctly, Brink is in the top 9, and Boldy makes the team. Instead, this coach wants to turn our world junior team into a team of 19 year old grinders in the big roles. Why does USAH hire these college hockey coaches every year to coach the team? The whole coaching staff are college hockey coaches who coach these teams that are low on skill and high on work rate, physicality, discipline. It's no wonder they are trying to turn our world junior team into that style of team. It's not so hard to set the team out. Let your best players be your best players, and hope that you can win. I'd much rather that then playing these average prospects in big roles, and marginalizing all our good prospects.

I thought the defense wasn't that bad. Harris and Samuelsson were pretty good. A little quiet from Miller, but not bad. Jones did well on the PP. Stastney held his own, which is about as good as its going to get. Emberson had a quiet game, but he should be playing a bigger role. I found the forwards to be a much bigger issue. Turcotte looked bad at ES at winger. Kaliyev was on his line, and also struggled. I think part of it for both of them was playing with Ford. That guy was brutal. Caufield struggled with Drury as his center at ES. Who decides that its a good idea to put Caufield on a line with Drury and Beecher, neither of which are top-level players? This coach doesn't have long to sort this out. Canada is the first game. The fourth liners took too many penalties. I think thats why Janicke got himself cut today.
Could not have said it better. Sandelin's style may be successful for a team full of grinders with no elite skill like UMD, but fielding a team of extraordinary skill like this US team in a short tournament is an entirely different animal. I'm actually shocked they did not keep the biggest, least offensive D-men they had considering that is essentially what they are doing with the forwards. Zegras playing wing, Turcotte playing (bottom 6) wing, Pinto 1C, Drury top 6... How Turcotte and Zegras are not 1C/2C respectively, centering Caufield, Robertson, Kaliyev and Wahlstrom is beyond me, given their potential to dominate offensively in the top 6. In my mind, the only way you play an elite passer and playmaker like Zegras at wing is if you have a talent like Jack Hughes centering him and you don't want to bump Zegras into a bottom 6 center role.

Perhaps current setup was only to showcase the bubble guys but line chemistry is important and if they make any major changes now, it will be against Canada in actual tourney games.
 
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When you have that level of elite talent, I personally am not a big fan of the 'stick an ultra-elite talent with a grinder and maybe it will create a marginal increase in offense throughout the lineup' school-of-thought. A lot of times what ends up happening is that a great play is made either in transition or high danger scoring opportunity and then the play dies. Pair the elite playmakers with the elite finishers!
 
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Agree, I know they've been playing Zegras at wing but my dream line is Robertson-Zegras-Caufield. With other teams focusing on Caufield so much, Zegras setting up Robertson, who is a phenomenal goal-scorer himself, would be amazing.
there's no such thing as focusing Caufield.
 
Have they practiced at all today/released opening day lineups?
believe they had their first practice at Ostrava arena today but have not seen anyone posting lines at practice. Did see that apparently Robertson won the shootout competition. Have seen a lot of articles mentioning a lot of names that are going to “drive” US success eg Beecher, but very few (except Leaf propaganda) even mentioning Robertson. I actually think he legit has shot for tournament MVP. Think he’s being super slept on at the moment, probably bc he’s an OHL guy.
 
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When you have that level of elite talent, I personally am not a big fan of the 'stick an ultra-elite talent with a grinder and maybe it will create a marginal increase in offense throughout the lineup' school-of-thought. A lot of times what ends up happening is that a great play is made either in transition or high danger scoring opportunity and then the play dies. Pair the elite playmakers with the elite finishers!

Russia and Sweden always do this, and it never results in gold. It’ll result in playing good hockey, but they lose when it matters because their skill players are marginalized in the name of defensively sound and physical hockey.

Finland always does the opposite. They put their best prospects into big roles with teams that are probably the least talented or the big five nations, and its resulted in gold a few times recently. This is still junior hockey. A lot of it is pond-hockey. Trying to be the team that bucks that style usually doesn’t work. I also think we’d have had the most talented team at the tournament, but we might be past that point with some of the cuts, like leaving Boldy and Wilde off and likely marginalizing some of our other best talents.
 
I feel those pre-comp lineups must have been to showcase the bubble players as someone eluded to earlier. I just can’t see this team going forward with a set of lines that look like they were created by an old gypsy woman through a tarot card reading.

It seems like a dangerous way to operate being as they are jumping into the fire with a game against Canada on day one. Camp is just too short to not rely on pre-existing chemistry.
 
I actually really like USA's D even with the lack of RHD support. Samuelsson and Harris stabilize the d-core, i think Samuelsson in particular is gonna have a big tournament. He's gonna be relied upon a ton.

Center depth looks good too, good goaltending, good snipers. They have the pieces to do some damage.
 
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I actually really like USA's D even with the lack of RHD support. Samuelsson and Harris stabilize the d-core, i think Samuelsson in particular is gonna have a big tournament. He's gonna be relied upon a ton.

Center depth looks good too, good goaltending, good snipers. They have the pieces to do some damage.
Samuelsson is crap, you only have to forecheck him strongly and he will make mistakes...
 
Its USA vs Finland again for the gold. USA seems super crazy good, not sure if we can beat you this time. Good luck for both.
- I hope that Caufield will fail to score hatty in the final, so that we can win LOL
 
Its USA vs Finland again for the gold. USA seems super crazy good, not sure if we can beat you this time. Good luck for both.
- I hope that Caufield will fail to score hatty in the final, so that we can win LOL
Not seeing Finland as part of the equation this year. Besides, based on their recent trend, they are scheduled for a down tournament.
 
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Not seeing Finland as part of the equation this year. Besides, based on their recent trend, they are scheduled for a down tournament.

I disagree

We have the best goaltending duo and the best D of the tournament + decent forward group to boot.
- great coaching too; Raimo Helminen (HC) , Tuomo Ruutu (F), Erik Hämäläinen (D)

Lets say, compared to your team Canada, your achilles heal will be goaltending again and i'm not impressed about your D either
tremendous offence thou.
 
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You don't never expect much from Finland but you can't never rule them out these days. Specially tough opponent for US. I would say Finland and Russia are the ones you don't want to face.

Finland type of hockey is always tough for us. Record against Russia was horrendous in big games but lately there has been good wins over them.
 
I disagree

We have the best goaltending duo and the best D of the tournament + decent forward group to boot.
- great coaching too; Raimo Helminen (HC) , Tuomo Ruutu (F), Erik Hämäläinen (D)

Lets say, compared to your team Canada, your achilles heal will be goaltending again and i'm not impressed about your D either
tremendous offence thou.
If it’s your opinion that Helminen is a great coach, then you are certainly in the minority among your countrymen. Raipe is almost universally reviled. Your goaltending is good, but by no means the best in the tournament. Your defense is supposed to be vaunted, but we’ve already seen them in action and Canada was running them into the ground. They will be good offensively, however. Up front, Finland is sure missing some of the star power that has recently been featured. They will likely need to score by committee, but I’m not sure they will have the depth. It’s possible that Finland comes together as a team and plays enough structure to allow them to win, but at the moment I would list them as heavy underdogs.

But, of course, this whole discussion is just a distraction.... now let’s get back to talking about Team USA, which is kind of the point of this particular thread.
 
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i just don’t get what they are going for with these lines. There are much better combinations, and in these short tournaments is not the place to try and get cute. Put your most skilled players in the best positrons to use their skills.
 
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