WJC: 2020 Team USA Roster Talk
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If you look just at NHLe (in PPG) this season...
Sweden
Lundkvist: 0.45
Soderstrom: 0.38
Sandin: 0.28
Finland
Honka: 0.21
Thomson: 0.20
Heinola: 0.14 (simply took his AHL stats alone since it's between his NHL success and his Liiga failure thus far)
Russia
Zhuravlyov: 0.20
Galenyuk: 0.18
Romanov: 0.09
USA
York: 0.11
Miller: 0.10
Canada
Smith: 0.13
Byram: 0.11
EDIT: NHLe alone isn't the greatest indicator of performance, but it does give a solid overall picture as to the offensive productivity of a certain player. Needless to say that, by comparison, it's not even close that Sweden has the best offensive d-men.
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TheGoldenJet
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You forgot JBD and McIsaac, both of whom are currently as good or better than this “Soderstrom tier” as well.
FLYguy3911
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NHLe is nice to look at but it's not an end-all-be-all stat. Like most stats, it lacks context. The SHL, Liiga, and KHL have historically been low scoring leagues and tough for young players to produce. So if the NHLe calculation is going back to say 05-06 that's something to consider. It also doesn't factor in usage. So a guy like Lundkvist playing #1 minutes in the SHL is impressive on it's own, his NHLe may be overstating his true talent level. We're still in SSS territory as well. Byram, Smith, and Addison lapped Thomson last year in the WHL last year for example. So to say those first two guys aren't on his tier is disingenuous. Not to mention scoring in the WHL is down this year. And not to sound like a total homer, but Zamula may be the best offensive threat for Russia and great on the PP, but his NHLe is probably suppressed in comparison to others playing in pro leagues. Cam York led u18 D in scoring last year, is the all-time points leader for D at the u18s, leads 18 year old defensemen in NCAA scoring this year, and leads his college team in scoring as an 18 year old defenseman. To say he's not on a tier with those guys as an offensive threat is crazy to me. Jones and Harris are having very good years. Miller has been productive since Day 1 in college. If you want to say Sweden has the best group of defensemen in the tournament, I'm not going to argue, but to say the US and Canada don't have a single defensemen on the "Soderstrom tier"...c'mon.
Basically, NHLe converts a player's PPG in a certain league to an NHL equivalent (or NHLe) PPG. It's a factor used to compare production levels across leagues by bringing all players to the same basis level.
I went to that calculator and entered Byram’s numbers and got a completely different result than yours. Furthermore, though he actually does have slightly down numbers in 19/20, had great numbers last year, including a post-season that saw him lead not just the d-men in scoring, but the entire damn league! So... to make your statement about comparative offensive ability, you’re just going to throw all that out the window?!
It's possible that what you used has different conversion factors. I know for sure that both Rob vollman and Emmanuel Perry have done separate studies to come up with conversion factors, there might be others too.
teravaineSAROS
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It really doesn't. NHLe's never been helpful for anything it's just a way for people to simplify things.
Agreed, but it does give a good general idea to a player's production. You can't deny that. No, it doesn't factor in ice time, zone time, or any advanced stat for that matter, but it does give a pretty good high level overview to a player's potential production.
Ainec
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so according to betting sites Gold medal odds
Canada #1
Russia #2
Sweden #3
USA distant 4th tied with Finland, thoughts on this?
Canada #1
Russia #2
Sweden #3
USA distant 4th tied with Finland, thoughts on this?
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Russia should be the favorites. USA are way underrated here, although I don't think we'll win.
Switch Canada and Russia, add USA to co-2nd with Canada, and then I think the rest isn't bad.
Ainec
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Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
I think it does, but I also think they are just the best team. They have two good goalies, the best defense, and a number of high-end forwards. They are also well-coached and Bragin doesn't accept ill-disciplined plays. They aren't going to collapse due to coaching. You never know about coaching with some of these other countries.
Definitely agree that USA is vastly underrated in this. Probably the most potent offensive lineup in the tournament as well as one of the best goaltenders.
William H Bonney
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Mmm, nah, I don't think so. It's a very blunt metric, like trying to paint a mural with a firehose. It is useful for one thing: comparing strength of scoring across different leagues. You've got a prospect scoring at 1.4PPG in the OHL, another at 0.66PPG in the SHL, another at 1.0PPG in the AHL. NHLe let's you roughly compare their seasons to each other by proxy. Which is helpful.
Simplifying things is frequently helpful.
SanDogBrewin
Righteous bucks!
I know it was just an exhibition but I like how the players didn’t let a 3-0 deficit get them down or stop them from woking on there game.
SanDogBrewin
Righteous bucks!
Zegras scratched. Interesting...
Also, when will they finally realize that Cam York should be a regular dman on an offensive pairing?
I suppose the random lines generator for today didn't give us what we want. There's always a chance that tomorrow the randomness becomes a bit better.
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