Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Entry Draft Thread

[regulate]

If we dropped to 7th, this wouldn't be a bad haul at all with our top 8 picks. Not realistic though, I don't like the rankings set up for this draft. Some players way too low that we won't likely get in the late 2nd to 4th rounds.

 

[Master Yoda]

Crazy to miss so badly in the 2003 draft, although Boyle has carved out a nice career for himself.

I think that starting with the '06 Hurricanes through to the Penguins in 2016, every SC champ had a key contributor from that draft except Detroit; however, Jimmy Howard was taken in that draft and would be their starter for years. Even the Penguins had Eric Fehr in 2016 play 23 games in the playoffs.

You basically weren't winning a Cup for ten years unless you had some players from this draft. Pretty impressive. Fun fact is that Colin Fraser can be added to the list of 2003 draftees for the Kings in 2012.

I know it wasn't the best draft, but getting a guy who captained them to two cups make up for the misses.
And also this draft led to the legendary Bob Miller call on Esa Pirnes.

 

[The Lukeman]

Interesting note from McKenzie's rankings. Out of the 10 scouts surveyed:
5 Scouts put Byfield at 2
5 scouts put Stutzle at 2 (Stutzle got the tie breaker because he also received 5 3rd place votes while byfield got a 6th place vote).
2 scouts put Sanderson at 3 (Some scouts clearly see him higher than what we think)

Personally hoping for Byfield (my favorite player in the draft) but would be very happy with Laf, Stutzle, Rossi, or Raymond. Big advocate of BPA over needs when drafting, and I am not very excited by Drysdale or Sanderson.

 

[BigKing]

I know it wasn't the best draft, but getting a guy who captained them to two cups make up for the misses.
And also this draft led to the legendary Bob Miller call on Esa Pirnes.

What made up for the misses was getting Richards and Carter after the fact, thereby rolling out with three of the better 1st round selection from the 2003 draft.

We got to see two Cups and I love Brown. Wouldn't change anything since I don't know how things would have shaken out, but you could argue that Brown was a bad choice where he was taken since you had Getzlaf, Burns and Parise behind him. Brown fell in the draft and Taylor went with the usual CSS rankings to make is pick.

It is brutal though to position yourself with three first round picks in arguably the best draft of all time and then stand pat at 26 and 27 and whiff.

-They stood pat so they could get Anthony Stewart, a bust. Then they had to call timeout because they didn't know what to do when Florida jumped up to get him haha.
-Standing pat in a deep draft still would have been fine since there were good players left but they fanned.
-NJ traded #22 and #68 to move up five spots to #17 and get Parise. Taylor is sitting on #s 26, 27 and 44. Getzlaf and Burns go at 19 and 20.
-Ducks trade #s 36 and 54 to move up to 28 and take Perry after the Kings flub two picks in a row.

The Ducks walk out with Getlzaf and Perry while only giving up two 2nd round picks to move up to 28. By the time of this draft, Pick 26 was looked at as the last chance of something great from the Blake trade and then #27 was the best piece of the Schneider trade. Flubbed.

Just a complete lack of imagination. Kesler and Richards go at 23 and 24. Taylor holds at those three picks mentioned earlier and misses on all of them. It was what ended his tenure here. Hell, it would have been even worse if the lockout didn't happen and Brown was left to develop at the NHL level like they were doing.

Sure made up for it in 2005 though but it was too late at that point.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Bob McKenzie's rankings for 93 prospects is out.

 

[kevsh]

I like that Stutzle is clearly the driver on the power play, much like Marner on Toronto. Whenever the puck comes to the point it's given to him so he can make the scoring play, typically with a pass.



Apparently, he has experience playing the left wing too? I couldn't find any details on how much time has spent there, but that's always a plus as it will be easier to find a suitable spot for him.

 

[Lt Dan]

I like that Stutzle is clearly the driver on the power play, much like Marner on Toronto. Whenever the puck comes to the point it's given to him so he can make the scoring play, typically with a pass.



Apparently, he has experience playing the left wing too? I couldn't find any details on how much time has spent there, but that's always a plus as it will be easier to find a suitable spot for him.

Unrelated: but your username sounds like something Michael Scott would say

 

[Master Yoda]

What made up for the misses was getting Richards and Carter after the fact, thereby rolling out with three of the better 1st round selection from the 2003 draft.

We got to see two Cups and I love Brown. Wouldn't change anything since I don't know how things would have shaken out, but you could argue that Brown was a bad choice where he was taken since you had Getzlaf, Burns and Parise behind him. Brown fell in the draft and Taylor went with the usual CSS rankings to make is pick.

It is brutal though to position yourself with three first round picks in arguably the best draft of all time and then stand pat at 26 and 27 and whiff.

-They stood pat so they could get Anthony Stewart, a bust. Then they had to call timeout because they didn't know what to do when Florida jumped up to get him haha.
-Standing pat in a deep draft still would have been fine since there were good players left but they fanned.
-NJ traded #22 and #68 to move up five spots to #17 and get Parise. Taylor is sitting on #s 26, 27 and 44. Getzlaf and Burns go at 19 and 20.
-Ducks trade #s 36 and 54 to move up to 28 and take Perry after the Kings flub two picks in a row.

The Ducks walk out with Getlzaf and Perry while only giving up two 2nd round picks to move up to 28. By the time of this draft, Pick 26 was looked at as the last chance of something great from the Blake trade and then #27 was the best piece of the Schneider trade. Flubbed.

Just a complete lack of imagination. Kesler and Richards go at 23 and 24. Taylor holds at those three picks mentioned earlier and misses on all of them. It was what ended his tenure here. Hell, it would have been even worse if the lockout didn't happen and Brown was left to develop at the NHL level like they were doing.

Sure made up for it in 2005 though but it was too late at that point.

You can make an argument on every draft about guys getting drafted behind certain guys turning out better.
Brown turned out to be a good pick in the middle of the 1st round, playing a top 6 role on cup winning teams and playing over 1100 games in the NHL while also being a captain.

And if you're just looking at the picks themselves, Brown would be at worst the 5th best player among the players taken 10~20. And Boyle would be the 4th best player from picks 21~30.
Yea I know 4th and 5th are not the model you're looking to achieve.
And Boyle was a failed project with the Kings and you missed on two other high picks, but not a complete disaster you make it out to be in terms of the end result.
I don't have a problem with standing pat and taking the BPA. Theoretically, they could've taken Perry, Bergeron, Weber with those 3 picks without moving up/down.
The real problem was the poor scouting and team vision (ie wanting to draft big centers and projects).

But like you said, the lack of results with those two late picks and the 2nd did lead to DT's demise.

1	10	Montreal	Andrei Kostitsyn	R	CSKA Moscow [Russia]	398	103	119	222	181	2011-12
1	11	Philadelphia	Jeff Carter	C	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	1040	382	350	732	533	2019-20
1	12	NY Rangers	Hugh Jessiman	R	Dartmouth College [ECAC]	2	0	0	0	5	2010-11
1	13	Los Angeles	Dustin Brown	R	Guelph Storm [OHL]	1183	299	354	653	700	2019-20
1	14	Chicago	Brent Seabrook	D	Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL]	1114	103	361	464	661	2019-20
1	15	NY Islanders	Robert Nilsson	C	Leksands IF [SEL]	252	37	81	118	90	2009-10
1	16	San Jose	Steve Bernier	R	Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL]	637	105	125	230	300	2017-18
1	17	New Jersey	Zach Parise	L	U. of North Dakota [WCHA]	1015	386	406	792	378	2019-20
1	18	Washington	Eric Fehr	C	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]	652	113	108	221	217	2018-19
1	19	Anaheim	Ryan Getzlaf	C	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	1053	274	691	965	888	2019-20
1	20	Minnesota	Brent Burns	D	Brampton Battalion [OHL]	1113	210	484	694	685	2019-20
1	21	Boston	Mark Stuart	D	Colorado College [WCHA]	673	26	67	93	722	2016-17
1	22	Edmonton	Marc-Antoine Pouliot	C	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]	192	21	36	57	76	2011-12
1	23	Vancouver	Ryan Kesler	C	Ohio State University [CCHA]	1001	258	315	573	920	2018-19
1	24	Philadelphia	Mike Richards	C	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	749	181	306	487	585	2015-16
1	25	Florida	Anthony Stewart	R	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]	262	27	44	71	123	2011-12
1	26	Los Angeles	Brian Boyle	C	St. Sebastian's [Mass. H.S.]	805	130	101	231	588	2019-20
1	27	Los Angeles	Jeff Tambellini	R	U. of Michigan [CCHA]	242	27	36	63	88	2010-11
1	28	Anaheim	Corey Perry	R	London Knights [OHL]	1045	377	420	797	1180	2019-20
1	29	Ottawa	Patrick Eaves	R	Boston College [H-East]	633	132	110	242	210	2018-19
1	30	St. Louis	Shawn Belle	D	Tri-City Americans [WHL]	20	0	1	1	2	2010-11

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[BigKing]

You can make an argument on every draft about guys getting drafted behind certain guys turning out better.
Brown turned out to be a good pick in the middle of the 1st round, playing a top 6 role on cup winning teams and playing over 1100 games in the NHL while also being a captain.

And if you're just looking at the picks themselves, Brown would be at worst the 5th best player among the players taken 10~20. And Boyle would be the 4th best player from picks 21~30.
Yea I know 4th and 5th are not the model you're looking to achieve.
And Boyle was a failed project with the Kings and you missed on two other high picks, but not a complete disaster you make it out to be in terms of the end result.
I don't have a problem with standing pat and taking the BPA. Theoretically, they could've taken Perry, Bergeron, Weber with those 3 picks without moving up/down.
The real problem was the poor scouting and team vision (ie wanting to draft big centers and projects).

But like you said, the lack of results with those two late picks and the 2nd did lead to DT's demise.

1	10	Montreal	Andrei Kostitsyn	R	CSKA Moscow [Russia]	398	103	119	222	181	2011-12
1	11	Philadelphia	Jeff Carter	C	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	1040	382	350	732	533	2019-20
1	12	NY Rangers	Hugh Jessiman	R	Dartmouth College [ECAC]	2	0	0	0	5	2010-11
1	13	Los Angeles	Dustin Brown	R	Guelph Storm [OHL]	1183	299	354	653	700	2019-20
1	14	Chicago	Brent Seabrook	D	Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL]	1114	103	361	464	661	2019-20
1	15	NY Islanders	Robert Nilsson	C	Leksands IF [SEL]	252	37	81	118	90	2009-10
1	16	San Jose	Steve Bernier	R	Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL]	637	105	125	230	300	2017-18
1	17	New Jersey	Zach Parise	L	U. of North Dakota [WCHA]	1015	386	406	792	378	2019-20
1	18	Washington	Eric Fehr	C	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]	652	113	108	221	217	2018-19
1	19	Anaheim	Ryan Getzlaf	C	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	1053	274	691	965	888	2019-20
1	20	Minnesota	Brent Burns	D	Brampton Battalion [OHL]	1113	210	484	694	685	2019-20
1	21	Boston	Mark Stuart	D	Colorado College [WCHA]	673	26	67	93	722	2016-17
1	22	Edmonton	Marc-Antoine Pouliot	C	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]	192	21	36	57	76	2011-12
1	23	Vancouver	Ryan Kesler	C	Ohio State University [CCHA]	1001	258	315	573	920	2018-19
1	24	Philadelphia	Mike Richards	C	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	749	181	306	487	585	2015-16
1	25	Florida	Anthony Stewart	R	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]	262	27	44	71	123	2011-12
1	26	Los Angeles	Brian Boyle	C	St. Sebastian's [Mass. H.S.]	805	130	101	231	588	2019-20
1	27	Los Angeles	Jeff Tambellini	R	U. of Michigan [CCHA]	242	27	36	63	88	2010-11
1	28	Anaheim	Corey Perry	R	London Knights [OHL]	1045	377	420	797	1180	2019-20
1	29	Ottawa	Patrick Eaves	R	Boston College [H-East]	633	132	110	242	210	2018-19
1	30	St. Louis	Shawn Belle	D	Tri-City Americans [WHL]	20	0	1	1	2	2010-11

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I'm very happy with Brown. As a STH'er, he was an absolute pleasure to watch while he was routinely leading the league in hits. His 2012 performance was insane and his number will be in the rafters. It's a good pick but I'm just saying someone could argue it if they wanted to. He was the #2OA NA skater in CSB's final rankings so he definitely dropped and the Kings were probably pissing themselves with excitement when the Rangers took Jessiman.. It's interesting looking at the final rankings and seeing Getzlaf and Bergeron fall so much while Philly went way off the board to take Carter at 11.

You're right that you can always play the "should have taken this guy" with the draft, but this draft set the table for a lot of teams to be competitive in the following years and the Kings got 40 games combined from Boyle and Tambellini.

When it comes to what I'd describe as total trash in the 1st round, I only have Jessiman, Nilsson, MA Pouliot, Stewart, Tambellini and Belle. Out of 30 picks, I've got an 80% "hit" rate with hit being used loosely since I'm not tossing players like Zherdev and Kotitsyn in the trash pile even though they deserve to be v. their draft position but, then again, they were talents who put up 20 goals or more and you'd still rather have them than the six misses I listed. Benier and Eaves aren't exactly special either but they played over 600 games and Eaves actually has more goals than Boyle in like 200 fewer games played.

So the Kings are at a 66.6% hit rate--below the average--but they also gave up on Boyle after 26 games so it is almost like they had a 33.3% hit rate. I'll cut them some slack since Tambellini/Stewart/Belle were all taken in the last six picks of the first round, meaning that half of the trash were found in the last six picks of the 1st round. That's why it would have been nice to see them really like a guy and get aggressive to get him. Maybe they did and just couldn't find the right partner but it is rough seeing five studs taken in the 10 picks immediately preceding Boyle. Then it is just insulting to see Anaheim actively trade up to get Perry right after Tambellini.

Second round is what it is but getting cute with Pushkarev and then having Bergeron go right after is rough as well. DT generally adhered to Central Scouting but Pushy wasn't even a Top 25 euro skater. It's not like the prospect pool was brimming with blue chippers at that point as well. Were there high hopes for Steckel at center? Jens Karlsson was a joke. Took Grebs in 2002 so I guess they felt they had a top D prospect (he might have been the Kings top prospect at that point?) plus they acquired Gleason. Just seems rough taking four forwards in the first 44 picks and only one is a center with that center being a high school project. You look at the center depth on the team and in the system and it wasn't pretty. This is Derek Armstrong and Stumpel's corpse as #1C phase. Would have been nice to target an impact center via trade-up v. being enamored once again with a giant C that is a project and appears to have limited scoring potential.

They also drafted Brady Murray in the fifth round. Let's toss the head coach a bone lol. I mean, this draft still produced a player in Brown that will have his number retired but it really is that Simpsons gif where the kid is saying "stop, he's already dead".

 

[Master Yoda]

I'm very happy with Brown. As a STH'er, he was an absolute pleasure to watch while he was routinely leading the league in hits. His 2012 performance was insane and his number will be in the rafters. It's a good pick but I'm just saying someone could argue it if they wanted to. He was the #2OA NA skater in CSB's final rankings so he definitely dropped and the Kings were probably pissing themselves with excitement when the Rangers took Jessiman.. It's interesting looking at the final rankings and seeing Getzlaf and Bergeron fall so much while Philly went way off the board to take Carter at 11.

You're right that you can always play the "should have taken this guy" with the draft, but this draft set the table for a lot of teams to be competitive in the following years and the Kings got 40 games combined from Boyle and Tambellini.

When it comes to what I'd describe as total trash in the 1st round, I only have Jessiman, Nilsson, MA Pouliot, Stewart, Tambellini and Belle. Out of 30 picks, I've got an 80% "hit" rate with hit being used loosely since I'm not tossing players like Zherdev and Kotitsyn in the trash pile even though they deserve to be v. their draft position but, then again, they were talents who put up 20 goals or more and you'd still rather have them than the six misses I listed. Benier and Eaves aren't exactly special either but they played over 600 games and Eaves actually has more goals than Boyle in like 200 fewer games played.

So the Kings are at a 66.6% hit rate--below the average--but they also gave up on Boyle after 26 games so it is almost like they had a 33.3% hit rate. I'll cut them some slack since Tambellini/Stewart/Belle were all taken in the last six picks of the first round, meaning that half of the trash were found in the last six picks of the 1st round. That's why it would have been nice to see them really like a guy and get aggressive to get him. Maybe they did and just couldn't find the right partner but it is rough seeing five studs taken in the 10 picks immediately preceding Boyle. Then it is just insulting to see Anaheim actively trade up to get Perry right after Tambellini.

Second round is what it is but getting cute with Pushkarev and then having Bergeron go right after is rough as well. DT generally adhered to Central Scouting but Pushy wasn't even a Top 25 euro skater. It's not like the prospect pool was brimming with blue chippers at that point as well. Were there high hopes for Steckel at center? Jens Karlsson was a joke. Took Grebs in 2002 so I guess they felt they had a top D prospect (he might have been the Kings top prospect at that point?) plus they acquired Gleason. Just seems rough taking four forwards in the first 44 picks and only one is a center with that center being a high school project. You look at the center depth on the team and in the system and it wasn't pretty. This is Derek Armstrong and Stumpel's corpse as #1C phase. Would have been nice to target an impact center via trade-up v. being enamored once again with a giant C that is a project and appears to have limited scoring potential.

They also drafted Brady Murray in the fifth round. Let's toss the head coach a bone lol. I mean, this draft still produced a player in Brown that will have his number retired but it really is that Simpsons gif where the kid is saying "stop, he's already dead".

I mostly agree. But I think a counter argument can be made for standing pat. Especially in such a deep draft, I can see the reasoning behind having two late firsts instead of a 20ish pick. Kind of like how it made no sense to me to trade Cammy for a late first then trading that and another first to take Teubert.

 

[Crownroyal21]

Hindsight is 20/20. Boyle? He is a third line center. He has had a nice career for himself but you draft a third line center with a first round pick? f*** Perry but they could of traded the late two first round picks and landed Richards. Can you imagine how different things would of gone?

 

[Crownroyal21]

Rarely post. Couldn’t resist. Usually I just read your comments...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

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If we dropped to 7th, this wouldn't be a bad haul at all with our top 8 picks. Not realistic though, I don't like the rankings set up for this draft. Some players way too low that we won't likely get in the late 2nd to 4th rounds.

Agree--but turn 'randomness' all the way up and it's a whole different ballgame!

 

[Crownroyal21]

Well we will see Friday. Cross your fingers. Anything can happen.

 

[Telos]

Just once I want to see the Kings win the lottery. Just once I want to see them get the biggest name on the board. Rick Pagnutti cannot go down as our highest pick of all-time. Please for the love of everything just once win a damn lottery and pick a superstar almost guaranteed hall-of-famer. Just once.

 

[kingsfan28]

What made up for the misses was getting Richards and Carter after the fact, thereby rolling out with three of the better 1st round selection from the 2003 draft.

We got to see two Cups and I love Brown. Wouldn't change anything since I don't know how things would have shaken out, but you could argue that Brown was a bad choice where he was taken since you had Getzlaf, Burns and Parise behind him. Brown fell in the draft and Taylor went with the usual CSS rankings to make is pick.

It is brutal though to position yourself with three first round picks in arguably the best draft of all time and then stand pat at 26 and 27 and whiff.

-They stood pat so they could get Anthony Stewart, a bust. Then they had to call timeout because they didn't know what to do when Florida jumped up to get him haha.
-Standing pat in a deep draft still would have been fine since there were good players left but they fanned.
-NJ traded #22 and #68 to move up five spots to #17 and get Parise. Taylor is sitting on #s 26, 27 and 44. Getzlaf and Burns go at 19 and 20.
-Ducks trade #s 36 and 54 to move up to 28 and take Perry after the Kings flub two picks in a row.

The Ducks walk out with Getlzaf and Perry while only giving up two 2nd round picks to move up to 28. By the time of this draft, Pick 26 was looked at as the last chance of something great from the Blake trade and then #27 was the best piece of the Schneider trade. Flubbed.

Just a complete lack of imagination. Kesler and Richards go at 23 and 24. Taylor holds at those three picks mentioned earlier and misses on all of them. It was what ended his tenure here. Hell, it would have been even worse if the lockout didn't happen and Brown was left to develop at the NHL level like they were doing.

Sure made up for it in 2005 though but it was too late at that point.

Solid take. I will say Brown was slotted right where he was drafted , no problem with that pick. The picks, 26 and 27, were just a major F-ups. The completely lost , confused look on Al Murrays face looked like a frat boy who just found out today was the mid-term and only knew the first question. I swear they were looking at tsn scouting report for the next two picks. I have a hard time believing this is the same guy who draft well in Tampa. At least the Rangers did us a favor in taking Hugh Jessiman at 12.

 

[HookKing]

Just once I want to see the Kings win the lottery. Just once I want to see them get the biggest name on the board. Rick Pagnutti cannot go down as our highest pick of all-time. Please for the love of everything just once win a damn lottery and pick a superstar almost guaranteed hall-of-famer. Just once.

You must be under 25 then because the Kings "won" the very first lottery in 1995. Perhaps the most useless "win" ever. That year's first round talent pool was so pathetic it looked like an average year's second round.

 

[Crownroyal21]

They moved up to fourth right?

 

[Rorschach]

They moved up to fourth right?

Third, to take Aki Berg.

 

[BringTheReign]

Pronman graded the top 31 draft-eligible prospects from the last 5 drafts based on how he viewed them on their respective draft days, not how they've developed since. Here's what he had to say about Turcotte, and let's hope he's wrong and/or Turcotte bounces back whenever we have "next season."

Alex Turcotte, 2019 draft (fifth overall, Los Angeles): Turcotte had a good but not amazing season after his draft year, turning pro following his freshman season at Wisconsin. I was very high on Turcotte going into his draft. I saw a very quick, skilled and competitive center with a rich statistical and international track record. Some scouts were more skeptical of him as a top-five pick – where I slotted him and where he went – due to a lack of elite offensive skill, which in 2019-20 showed to be more reasonable. I still like Turcotte a lot, but I don’t think he would go top five in a redraft. Some scouts are still on the bandwagon and hold on to hope he can regain that form, but most aren’t.

Pronman: Top 31 NHL Draft prospects of the past five years,...

 

[cyclones22]

Here's the thing about Turcotte, he was doing very well at first, got injured/sick and tried to play through it. It's chronicled in the article about Wisconsin's season. Not to mention Granato lineup shenanigans with moving Turcotte up and down the lineup. When he finally got healthy again, he played really well until they played tOSU in the 2 game series where Wisconsin just basically rolled over. Turcotte had 15 points in his first 10 games. Then had 7 consecutive scoreless games and had 1 point in 10 games. Then racked up 10 points in his last 7 games. Health is going to be the key. When he's healthy, he's productive and dynamic, plain and simple.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[cyclones22]

So Team D. It's fixed

 

[Lt Dan]

Predict the reaction Friday at 5:15pm

a) f*** yeah!!!!!!
b) Meh/ At least we didn't drop too far
C) god f***ing dammit! Again! Luc used up the last of his luck in 2003 and we need to file a restraining order to keep him away

 

[ibleedkings]

We all know it’s C. Ugh!!