Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Part 2

[bsu]

Spent today reading and watching tape on Holtz, I was against drafting him previously but he is a damn good player as well, this draft is so damn good. He is a better prospect than Caufield and is big.

Thinking we end up with Drysdale or Holtz, I really want Raymond or Rossi but I don't know anymore if that is going to happen. If we are taking a D man I prefer Sanderson but Drysdale is the "new age" defensemen and also right handed so I can see it.

You really can't go wrong in this draft all the players are pretty similar you just gotta hope you get the right one that develops correctly.

 

[Static]

Brisson at 27 would be awesome. He has a shot to be a very good player, but I'd be surprised if he lasts.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Spent today reading and watching tape on Holtz, I was against drafting him previously but he is a damn good player as well, this draft is so damn good. He is a better prospect than Caufield and is big.

Thinking we end up with Drysdale or Holtz, I really want Raymond or Rossi but I don't know anymore if that is going to happen. If we are taking a D man I prefer Sanderson but Drysdale is the "new age" defensemen and also right handed so I can see it.

You really can't go wrong in this draft all the players are pretty similar you just gotta hope you get the right one that develops correctly.

Welcome aboard

 

[sasha barkov]

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[sasha barkov]

Brisson at 27 would be awesome. He has a shot to be a very good player, but I'd be surprised if he lasts.

I'd rather have one of Grans/Barron/Niemela/O'Rourke at that spot. Brisson is small and not that good of a skater, he has solid skill but I feel there's better options there.

 

[Paul4587]

Spent today reading and watching tape on Holtz, I was against drafting him previously but he is a damn good player as well, this draft is so damn good. He is a better prospect than Caufield and is big.

Thinking we end up with Drysdale or Holtz, I really want Raymond or Rossi but I don't know anymore if that is going to happen. If we are taking a D man I prefer Sanderson but Drysdale is the "new age" defensemen and also right handed so I can see it.

You really can't go wrong in this draft all the players are pretty similar you just gotta hope you get the right one that develops correctly.

Still don’t think he has the line driving ability other guys in that range have. He’s going to be a good NHLer but at 6 I want somebody with more dimensions who is going to make those around him better.

 

[The Duck Knight]

For me with 6 I want Rossi/Raymond or move 6+Rico+Guhle for Laine.

 

[DavidBL]

For me with 6 I want Rossi/Raymond or move 6+Rico+Guhle for Laine.

If we have to give up Rico and the 6th for Laine id hope to bring in another top 6 forward in another move.

 

[The Duck Knight]

If we have to give up Rico and the 6th for Laine id hope to bring in another top 6 forward in another move.

I don't see how you do that. Rico being in the deal both fills a hole for Winnipeg at 2C and would clear cap this year and going forward for Laine. I wouldn't make that move to compete this year. It's still a move for 2-3 years out, but it's based on my assumption that Laine>>>Drysdale/Sanderson/Holtz long term.

My top 6 with Laine would be Laine-Getzlaf-Heinen, Rakell-Steel-Silf. And I'd still be looking to move Rakell if you can get a haul.

 

[bsu]

If we have to give up Rico and the 6th for Laine id hope to bring in another top 6 forward in another move.

That is no where near enough add next year's first and then add some more. Henrique contract is not very good.

 

[The Duck Knight]

That is no where near enough add next year's first and then add some more. Henrique contract is not very good.

I'm not sure it's that far off. From the sounds of things Winnipeg IS moving Laine no matter what because he's not in their future plans. Rico and 6 would fill their 2C hole and give them a great asset with the 6th pick they could use or flip for a D.

 

[bsu]

I'm not sure it's that far off. From the sounds of things Winnipeg IS moving Laine no matter what because he's not in their future plans. Rico and 6 would fill their 2C hole and give them a great with the 6th pick they could use or flip for a D.

I don't think that is close. If you posted that on trade forum I think Jet fans would laugh. Henrique is not a valuable asset with that contract. He's valuable to us because we suck but that contract is not very good.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Spent today reading and watching tape on Holtz, I was against drafting him previously but he is a damn good player as well, this draft is so damn good. He is a better prospect than Caufield and is big.

Thinking we end up with Drysdale or Holtz, I really want Raymond or Rossi but I don't know anymore if that is going to happen. If we are taking a D man I prefer Sanderson but Drysdale is the "new age" defensemen and also right handed so I can see it.

You really can't go wrong in this draft all the players are pretty similar you just gotta hope you get the right one that develops correctly.

Now watch Lundell

 

[bsu]

Now watch Lundell

Already did, he could end up like ROR or like Julius Nattinen. A lot of other players I prefer.

 

[DavidBL]

I don't see how you do that. Rico being in the deal both fills a hole for Winnipeg at 2C and would clear cap this year and going forward for Laine. I wouldn't make that move to compete this year. It's still a move for 2-3 years out, but it's based on my assumption that Laine>>>Drysdale/Sanderson/Holtz long term.

My top 6 with Laine would be Laine-Getzlaf-Heinen, Rakell-Steel-Silf. And I'd still be looking to move Rakell if you can get a haul.

I was thinking UFA most likely. Who is on the 3rd line at that point?

 

[The Duck Knight]

I was thinking UFA most likely. Who is on the 3rd line at that point?

I'd probably go for a cheap reclamation project in FA like Galchenyuk and put him in between Comtois/Jones and Terry. Basically whoever we could afford on a 1 year deal. Hope they produce well and then flip them at the deadline.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

TAlso, why would NJ move up 1 spot to take Askarov, when it is extremely unlikely the Ducks pick him at 6? The Ducks would obviously likely do this deal (unless they really want whoever NJ wants), but it seems almost pointless for NJ.

You obviously haven't followed this thread, which makes me wonder why you're chiming in now. Anyhow, I'll give you the recap:

Recently, there are rumors that NJ is in on Askarov. Carolina has been one of the teams constantly mocked with Askarov. A poster posited a thought of Carolina trading up to 7 and letting the Devils know about it.​

If Carolina wants Askarov, then they're going to have to jump above #7, which is owned by NJ. This is what can induce a trade war with NJ. Hopefully, now you comprehend the trade scenario I proposed isn't just for swapping picks just to swap picks. I clearly wrote the requirement is the Devils select Askarov. It's a fun exercise to entertain, but apparently some people can't follow that entertainment.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Spent today reading and watching tape on Holtz, I was against drafting him previously but he is a damn good player as well, this draft is so damn good. He is a better prospect than Caufield and is big.

Thinking we end up with Drysdale or Holtz, I really want Raymond or Rossi but I don't know anymore if that is going to happen. If we are taking a D man I prefer Sanderson but Drysdale is the "new age" defensemen and also right handed so I can see it.

You really can't go wrong in this draft all the players are pretty similar you just gotta hope you get the right one that develops correctly.

In today's game against Malmo, DIF's 2nd game of the season, Holtz was promoted to the top line (his whole line was promoted to the top line) playing 16:24 with an ES goal, 2 hits, and a +2 rating. Holtz knocked in a rebound goal, his first and the team's first in the season. DIF was shut out in the first game, but people who watched the game said Holtz line was the only one that put up a fight. He was playing on the third line in the first game.

 

[All Mighty]

You obviously haven't followed this thread, which makes me wonder why you're chiming in now. Anyhow, I'll give you the recap:

Recently, there are rumors that NJ is in on Askarov. Carolina has been one of the teams constantly mocked with Askarov. A poster posited a thought of Carolina trading up to 7 and letting the Devils know about it.​

If Carolina wants Askarov, then they're going to have to jump above #7, which is owned by NJ. This is what can induce a trade war with NJ. Hopefully, now you comprehend the trade scenario I proposed isn't just for swapping picks just to swap picks. I clearly wrote the requirement is the Devils select Askarov. It's a fun exercise to entertain, but apparently some people can't follow that entertainment.

You could have easily said what you said without sounding like a jerk. I have no idea why you always feel the need to add condescending jabs in replies to people who disagree with something you said. There was nothing in my reply that attacked you in any way. I still have never seen a trade of a top 10 pick to move up 1 spot, but I apologize for ruining your fun.

EDIT: duckpuck provided an example from 1999. I don't recall anything more recent than that.

 

[duckpuck]

Eric Stephens is doing a much better job of actually doing his job since the move to the Athletic. I’m beginning to think the OCR was the problem.

Props to him

I think culprit is both. Stephens could still be a very good writer working for the OCR, but since the Athletic are a collection of sports writers, then Stephens up'd his game. The more he attracts subscribers, then the more the Athletic makes and increases job security. There wasn't any competition for him at the OC so he did the most minimal job he can get away with, as many of us wondered if he really was the Ducks' writer for the OCR. Who knew Stephens had it in him? I'm pleasantly surprised.

I strongly suspect OC Register was a salaried gig, whereas the Athletic pays per article and/or per "click" on such article. If Stephens doesn't attract a following at the Athletic, he'll be gone.

I also think he's in a much more competitive environment with all the other hockey writers at the site. Whatever the reason, he's definitely upped his game.

There are very few cases where trading up 1 spot makes any sense at all, especially that early in the draft. The only reason NJ would do that is if they know for a fact that the Ducks will take the guy they want at 6 (or else, why would they bother giving up another asset?). And if that's the case, the likelihood of the Ducks forfeiting the top guy on their board for the next guy either means they view the 2 players very similarly, or they get a very good asset in addition to the #7 pick. Also, why would NJ move up 1 spot to take Askarov, when it is extremely unlikely the Ducks pick him at 6? The Ducks would obviously likely do this deal (unless they really want whoever NJ wants), but it seems almost pointless for NJ.

Are there any examples of a team swapping picks with the team immediately before them in the top 10 in the draft?

You're overlooking the possibility that NJ would trade up to avoid another team trading with the ducks and jumping ahead of them. As I mentioned in a different post, the Ducks are advertising the pick as available for that very reason - they realize the 6th pick is the obvious point for a team to jump in.

These situations/trades seem more common in the NFL (and even NBA), but the basic strategy and dynamic is no different in the NHL.

And to provide a specific NHL example, these types of trades/pick swapping happened in the 1999 NHL draft when Burke maneuvered to get the Sedin twins.

1999 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Atleast it wasnt a wall of text

 

[All Mighty]

I strongly suspect OC Register was a salaried gig, whereas the Athletic pays per article and/or per "click" on such article. If Stephens doesn't attract a following at the Athletic, he'll be gone.

I also think he's in a much more competitive environment with all the other hockey writers at the site. Whatever the reason, he's definitely upped his game.



You're overlooking the possibility that NJ would trade up to avoid another team trading with the ducks and jumping ahead of them. As I mentioned in a different post, the Ducks are advertising the pick as available for that very reason - they realize the 6th pick is the obvious point for a team to jump in.

These situations/trades seem more common in the NFL (and even NBA), but the basic strategy and dynamic is no different in the NHL.

And to provide a specific NHL example, these types of trades/pick swapping happened in the 1999 NHL draft when Burke maneuvered to get the Sedin twins.

1999 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia

That’s a good example, although that was also obviously a very unique situation.

 

[OCSportsfan]

It sure sounds like the Ducks think there are 12 (if i remember correctly) good players, maybe more with some of the leagues beginning to play. I kind of hope we trade 6 for more assets, assuming we can somehow get back into the top 12. Maybe trade the late first and second for top 12, but the 6th pick plus gets us a Laine(or some other top end asset)

I have not seen any of these kids play, but trust the comments on the board and friends who say Rossi would be a good pick. But you never know, and if we can get more assets for the 6th and still get a player they think is in the same conversation at 12-14, then I think you have to do it.

 

[Rasp]

I like Holtz but is he dynamic enough? He definitely adds something we are missing and would be amazing with Zegras.

 

[bsu]

I like Holtz but is he dynamic enough? He definitely adds something we are missing and would be amazing with Zegras.

I think he will be a Boeser type