Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Part 2

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Has there been any info who the Ducks have interviewed?

I don't like the idea of trading down the 6th pick. There's quality players to be drafted so take one and be happy.

I’d rather just pick at 6, if we want more picks trade manson or Rakell and get back in top 18, maybe trade up from there.

Trading down only makes sense if someone in our top6 is projected closer to 10. Trading down also makes me think we prob really looking hard at Holtz or sanderson

 

[cheesymc]

Not surprised given I’ve read multiple interviews with Madden where he specifically mentions a drop off at 12.

Sounds like Askarov isn’t in that 12... unless Lundell/Quinn is the player outside our 12.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Eric Stephens is doing a much better job of actually doing his job since the move to the Athletic. I’m beginning to think the OCR was the problem.

Props to him

I think culprit is both. Stephens could still be a very good writer working for the OCR, but since the Athletic are a collection of sports writers, then Stephens up'd his game. The more he attracts subscribers, then the more the Athletic makes and increases job security. There wasn't any competition for him at the OC so he did the most minimal job he can get away with, as many of us wondered if he really was the Ducks' writer for the OCR. Who knew Stephens had it in him? I'm pleasantly surprised.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Sounds like Askarov isn’t in that 12... unless Lundell/Quinn is the player outside our 12.

It isn't sounds like, but concrete that Askarov isn't in our top-12. While Askarov probably has a top-5 talent, he isn't on any Anaheim Ducks' wish list.

We're Anaheim and we've never spent a 1st round pick on a goalie, even when Gibson deserved to be picked before Rakell! LoL Damn, we got lucky there! We have Gibson signed for quite some time, until after the 2026-27 season. Not only that, but we might have another stellar netminder in our farm system in Lukas Dostal, who was drafted in the 3rd round of the 2018 draft. Then we do have other netminders in our system developing in Durny (2018) and Eriksson Ek (2017), both 5th rounders.

I gotta give a lot of credit to our staff to ensure we do have talent in our system for netminders. Despite having Hiller, we drafted Gibson in the 2nd round of the 2011 draft and then Andersen in the 3rd round of the 2012. 2018 Dostal continues that tradition so that we don't have to be in the rat race for being a team in dire need of a franchise goal tender year after year.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

It would take more than a third round pick in order for Anaheim to move down even just a spot

#6 Anaheim
#7 New Jersey

What other picks does NJ own in this year's draft?

Rd 1: 7, 18, and 20
Rd 2: none
Rd 3: 83
Rd 4: 98 and 119
Rd 5: 129
Rd 6: 160
Rd 7: 191​

I'm limiting my scope to this year's draft, since this draft has been said to be a bit deeper in talent. We could ask for the 2021 2nd round and that's a possibility. Since NJ owns the 7th overall, then we have to work with what they possess. What if they think it's too much with #7 and 2021 2nd rounder? Do we walk away from #7 and #83?

Three options:

a) Make the selection at #6. No extra selection, but they grab the player they wanted.
b) #6 for NJ's #7, #83, and the ability to grab the player they wanted at #6 still at #7.
c) #6 for Carolina's #13, #41, and lose the ability to grab the player they wanted at #6.​

To me, the most important factor here is the ability to grab the player they wanted at #6 by dropping only one spot. The #83 pick is a free pick as the Ducks relatively gave up nothing by dropping one spot.

Can one spot make a significant difference? We can look to last year's draft. The Ducks had a plan to acquire the 18th pick from Dallas with the 29th and 39th selections. That trade was contingent that a specific player would still be there at 18th. We all know now that the trade never transpired. Why? Because Krebs was selected at the 17th pick.

Now, imagine dropping 7 draft spots. You quickly diminish the talent pool you originally had a pick #6. You probably dropped a tier in the talent pool by dropping to the 13th pick.

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I also added another scenario to where the Ducks could improve the deal by swapping late first rounders. Remember, the requirement here is the Devils would select only G Askarov.

Ducks send: #6 and #27
Devils send: #7 and #20​

In this scenario, the Devils don't lose any draft pick and the talent pool between #20 and #27 are close together, especially when you add the fact that the Devils also own the #18 pick. I'm not trying to be greedy here to offend the Devils to where they walk away. I'm trying to entice a better deal instead of just adding #83. They could simply try to trade up to #5 because we were too greedy, but jumping up two spots and into the top-5 does carry more value.

Why do people undervaluing the #7 pick while also not losing the player you wanted at #6?

 

[All Mighty]

#6 Anaheim
#7 New Jersey

What other picks does NJ own in this year's draft?

Rd 1: 7, 18, and 20
Rd 2: none
Rd 3: 83
Rd 4: 98 and 119
Rd 5: 129
Rd 6: 160
Rd 7: 191​

I'm limiting my scope to this year's draft, since this draft has been said to be a bit deeper in talent. We could ask for the 2021 2nd round and that's a possibility. Since NJ owns the 7th overall, then we have to work with what they possess. What if they think it's too much with #7 and 2021 2nd rounder? Do we walk away from #7 and #83?

Three options:

a) Make the selection at #6. No extra selection, but they grab the player they wanted.
b) #6 for NJ's #7, #83, and the ability to grab the player they wanted at #6 still at #7.
c) #6 for Carolina's #13, #41, and lose the ability to grab the player they wanted at #6.​

To me, the most important factor here is the ability to grab the player they wanted at #6 by dropping only one spot. The #83 pick is a free pick as the Ducks relatively gave up nothing by dropping one spot.

Can one spot make a significant difference? We can look to last year's draft. The Ducks had a plan to acquire the 18th pick from Dallas with the 29th and 39th selections. That trade was contingent that a specific player would still be there at 18th. We all know now that the trade never transpired. Why? Because Krebs was selected at the 17th pick.

Now, imagine dropping 7 draft spots. You quickly diminish the talent pool you originally had a pick #6. You probably dropped a tier in the talent pool by dropping to the 13th pick.

***

I also added another scenario to where the Ducks could improve the deal by swapping late first rounders. Remember, the requirement here is the Devils would select only G Askarov.

Ducks send: #6 and #27
Devils send: #7 and #20​

In this scenario, the Devils don't lose any draft pick and the talent pool between #20 and #27 are close together, especially when you add the fact that the Devils also own the #18 pick. I'm not trying to be greedy here to offend the Devils to where they walk away. I'm trying to entice a better deal instead of just adding #83. They could simply try to trade up to #5 because we were too greedy, but jumping up two spots and into the top-5 does carry more value.

Why do people undervaluing the #7 pick while also not losing the player you wanted at #6?

There are very few cases where trading up 1 spot makes any sense at all, especially that early in the draft. The only reason NJ would do that is if they know for a fact that the Ducks will take the guy they want at 6 (or else, why would they bother giving up another asset?). And if that's the case, the likelihood of the Ducks forfeiting the top guy on their board for the next guy either means they view the 2 players very similarly, or they get a very good asset in addition to the #7 pick. Also, why would NJ move up 1 spot to take Askarov, when it is extremely unlikely the Ducks pick him at 6? The Ducks would obviously likely do this deal (unless they really want whoever NJ wants), but it seems almost pointless for NJ.

Are there any examples of a team swapping picks with the team immediately before them in the top 10 in the draft?

 

[All Mighty]

Pronman’s mock has us picking Drysdale at 6, and he says that he’s mostly heard us linked to Drysdale and Raymond, who he has going to NJ at 7.

And for those wondering, he has Sanderson picked 5th.

 

[bsu]

We are going to be picking #6.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Pronman’s mock has us picking Drysdale at 6, and he says that he’s mostly heard us linked to Drysdale and Raymond, who he has going to NJ at 7.

And for those wondering, he has Sanderson picked 5th.

So what?
Laf
Byfield
Stutzle
Perfetti
Sanderson
Drysdale
Raymond?

Rossi still available... man id trade rakell + 27 to get that 8 pick

 

[Rasp]

Pronman’s mock has us picking Drysdale at 6, and he says that he’s mostly heard us linked to Drysdale and Raymond, who he has going to NJ at 7.

And for those wondering, he has Sanderson picked 5th.

He has us talking 3 defenders with our first 3 picks...

 

[bsu]

He has us talking 3 defenders with our first 3 picks...

and 4 out of 5....

 

[MMC]

 

[bsu]

I am watching Lucas Raymond play live right now

 

[MMC]

Our picks in that mock:

1-6 D Jamie Drysdale
1-27 D William Wallinder
2-36 D Topi Niemela
3-67 LW Daniel Torgersson
4-104 D Christopher Sedoff
5-129 G Colin Purcell
6-160 C Rory Kerins

 

[bsu]

I would bet a lot of money we don't take 4 defensemen with our first 5 picks.

 

[Beckett]

Our picks in that mock:

1-6 D Jamie Drysdale
1-27 D William Wallinder
2-36 D Topi Niemela
3-67 LW Daniel Torgensson
4-104 D Christopher Sedoff
5-129 G Colin Purcell
6-160 C Rory Kerins

This would be great results IMO. Very much a Duck-like draft. Especially Wallinder, also really like Niemla and Torgenson. I'd grab Raymond over Drysdale though, especially if theyre taking Niemela.

 

[12ozPapa]

That mock draft is... interesting. I hope the Ducks don’t take that many dmen. I hope we take a forward at 6th.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Our picks in that mock:

1-6 D Jamie Drysdale
1-27 D William Wallinder
2-36 D Topi Niemela
3-67 LW Daniel Torgersson
4-104 D Christopher Sedoff
5-129 G Colin Purcell
6-160 C Rory Kerins

God id be mad if 3 of our first 3 are dmen... im really hoping in some weird twist drysdale and sanderson are gone at 6 so we cant even do it.

 

[sasha barkov]

Really opposed to drafting Drysdale, especially given if Rossi and Raymond are still on the board and 2021 is loaded with D in top 10

 

[MMC]

Wouldn’t be my preference to take that many defenseman with our high picks but I wouldn’t hate it

 

[sasha barkov]

This would be great results IMO. Very much a Duck-like draft. Especially Wallinder, also really like Niemla and Torgenson. I'd grab Raymond over Drysdale though, especially if theyre taking Niemela.

I really hope Ducks take Niemela, very underated

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Wouldn’t be my preference to take that many defenseman with our high picks but I wouldn’t hate it

i hate it becuase i feel like there are plenty of D options at 27/36... but were not going to get a top forward there most likely.

 

[lwvs84]

There are very few cases where trading up 1 spot makes any sense at all, especially that early in the draft. The only reason NJ would do that is if they know for a fact that the Ducks will take the guy they want at 6 (or else, why would they bother giving up another asset?). And if that's the case, the likelihood of the Ducks forfeiting the top guy on their board for the next guy either means they view the 2 players very similarly, or they get a very good asset in addition to the #7 pick. Also, why would NJ move up 1 spot to take Askarov, when it is extremely unlikely the Ducks pick him at 6? The Ducks would obviously likely do this deal (unless they really want whoever NJ wants), but it seems almost pointless for NJ.

Are there any examples of a team swapping picks with the team immediately before them in the top 10 in the draft?

The only way I'd see it is IF they are looking at Askarov and Buffalo or Minnesota are trying to trade up to get Askarov at 6. This would guarantee that those teams can't swoop in and get him. This would also be under the assumption that there are 2 or 3 guys the Ducks staff view as comparable players and wouldn't mind dropping a couple spots (or using it as leverage to squeeze an asset out of NJ).

 

[AngelDuck]

i hate it becuase i feel like there are plenty of D options at 27/36... but were not going to get a top forward there most likely.

That’s an extremely dangerous thought process at 6. You take the best player at 6

If they think it’s Drysdale so be it. I don’t give a damn how loaded 2021 is with defensemen either. You take the #1 player on your list both years. Worry about sorting the rest of the roster out later

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

That’s an extremely dangerous thought process at 6. You take the best player at 6

If they think it’s Drysdale so be it. I don’t give a damn how loaded 2021 is with defensemen either. You take the #1 player on your list both years. Worry about sorting the rest of the roster out later

I think the best player at 6 is like 5 different players depending who you ask... just go forward.

People keep saying BPA but no one knows what BPA is... 4-10 is pretty close all around.