Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Part 2

[sasha barkov]

Wonder if we get a pick in the early teens in a Rakell/Manson trade and take Dawson Mercer

 

[sasha barkov]

Wonder if we get a pick in the early teens in a Rakell/Manson trade and take Dawson Mercer

Especially given how we’ve been active in the Q and are in need of RW prospects.

 

[Gliff]

The three teams that make a lot of sense here are, in order: Carolina (at 13), Nashville (11), and Minnesota (9).

Each has an early 2nd round pick they can trade: Nashville (37), Carolina (41), and Minnesota (39).

Carolina might want to trade up to lock down Askarov, and apparently there's some smoke that New Jersey will take him at 7.

I'm predicting a trade with Carolina of our #6 for their #11 and #41.

That would be a terrible return. A mid 2nd is whhat you would expect moving down from like 22 to 28 (See Rakell & Gibson picks trade). Going from 6 to 11 should fetch way more. And if doesn't then it isn't worth the risk. Stay at 6 and draft your guy.

 

[bsu]

Buffalo would not make that trade lol c'mon

 

[Beckett]

Yeah that Buffalo trade would be a very easy yes if it was offered

 

[bsu]

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/2020-first-round-mock-draft

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Imagine if he traded down lol. People would riot

It depends what we get and if the guy they really want can be gotten later instead of reaching they should do it. You might be able to pick up an extra 1st in next year's draft if a team is hot after a guy. At the very least you're looking at adding a 2nd rd pick

 

[KaseMeOutside]

If Anaheim is open to trading down, my guess is GMBM and Madden covet Holtz. Minnesota's GM Guerin is known to want a center in return for Dumba. Consider this scenario:

NYR - Lafreniere
LAK - Byfield
OTT - Stutzle
DET - Perfetti
OTT - Raymond

Players still available would include Rossi, Drysdale, Sanderson, Holtz, etc. Perhaps Anaheim values Dumba + Holtz (selected at Minnesota's 9th overall) over 6th + whatever add would be required by Guerin. Minnesota would have to be very bullish on Rossi (compared to Lundell, who's the next best center) for this to make sense.

Obviously next season's expansion draft would have to be considered. I also don't know how significant the + would need to be from Anaheim. Maybe Lundestrom? I don't think he alone gets it done.

Minnesota is not trading Dumba to move up 3 spots. The value would be about a 2nd round pick

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Haven't discussed him much, probably because 6 is a bit of a reach but I can't help but think Anton Lundell is someone the Ducks would have ranked higher than other teams.

One of the most complete center prospects I've tracked in a long long time. I'd be surprised if he's not a legit all purpose #2 center in the NHL within a couple seasons.

His stock is rapidly increasing hes benefitting from exposure hes getting in Sweden that he wouldn't have had in June

 

[All Mighty]

Stephens' new article:
NHL Draft chat with Martin Madden: Ducks could put No. 6 pick in play

That top 12 is attractive from start to finish. If we think we can maximize it by moving up or moving down, we will. I don’t think we’re married to 6 at all, actually.

Stephens even asked about drafting Russian players, and Madden said:

I think the overwhelming story out there over the last 10 years was the signability risk of the Russian players. But for us, I think it’s more to do with the fact that in the 2000s — especially late 2000s — there were many really good-looking 17-year-old Russian kids drafted in the late first, early second that didn’t pan out. Add the signability issue, we probably underrated a few — not underrated, but under-ranked a few – just to be on the safe side. … It’s not a matter of us not wanting to draft Russian players. Not at all. K.K. (scout Konstantin Krylov) as usual will be pushing for his guys and I’ll be listening. I would not shy away from drafting a Russian player if we thought he was the best pick for us at that point.

 

[Duck Off]

Ugh I really hope we don’t trade down... not if Rossi or Perfetti are there anyway. Sounds like Madden is pretty adamant about there not being much difference in 4-12 though.

 

[Gliff]

Stephens' new article:
NHL Draft chat with Martin Madden: Ducks could put No. 6 pick in play



Stephens even asked about drafting Russian players, and Madden said:

You have not drafted many Russian-born players during your tenure (goaltender Igor Bobkov in 2009)? Is there any particular philosophy when it comes to shying away from them?

I think the overwhelming story out there over the last 10 years was the signability risk of the Russian players. But for us, I think it’s more to do with the fact that in the 2000s — especially late 2000s — there were many really good-looking 17-year-old Russian kids drafted in the late first, early second that didn’t pan out. Add the signability issue, we probably underrated a few — not underrated, but under-ranked a few – just to be on the safe side. … It’s not a matter of us not wanting to draft Russian players. Not at all. K.K. (scout Konstantin Krylov) as usual will be pushing for his guys and I’ll be listening. I would not shy away from drafting a Russian player if we thought he was the best pick for us at that point.

I'm glad he asked that. As expected, they acknowledge they have underated Russians in the past. I hope that changes.

 

[rlstine]

Stephens' new article:
NHL Draft chat with Martin Madden: Ducks could put No. 6 pick in play



Stephens even asked about drafting Russian players, and Madden said:

I was starting to wonder if we even had a scout there. "Russian scout for the Anaheim Ducks" might be the easiest job in the world.

 

[cheesymc]

Ugh I really hope we don’t trade down... not if Rossi or Perfetti are there anyway. Sounds like Madden is pretty adamant about there not being much difference in 4-12 though.

If a team like Buffalo trades a 2nd round pick to move up for a Rossi or Perfetti, BM and Madden might take the offer if Drysdale and Raymond might be available (depending if the Devils are leaning towards Sanderson). Wouldn’t be surprised if they then traded up for a top 20 pick for someone they really like.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

The write up on Marat Khusnutdinov on the Anaheim Ducks official site reminds me the traits of Rossi. A possibility with the 2nd/3rd rounder?

 

[Beckett]

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/2020-first-round-mock-draft

I'd be stoked, I've favored Raymond since the jump. I don't think the Ducks would go with a wing with both the Dmen both available though.

 

[duckpuck]

Ugh I really hope we don’t trade down... not if Rossi or Perfetti are there anyway. Sounds like Madden is pretty adamant about there not being much difference in 4-12 though.

I tend to agree, but it seems to me Madden is trying to induce a team to make an insane offer to trade up to draft Askarov. Lots of rumors of NJ drafting him at 7, so the ducks pick would be the place to jump in.

 

[rlstine]

I tend to agree, but it seems to me Madden is trying to induce a team to make an insane offer to trade up to draft Askarov. Lots of rumors of NJ drafting him at 7, so the ducks pick would be the place to jump in.

I was thinking this also. It seems awfully convenient that the news of NJ wanting Askarov at 7 and us being willing to move the 6th pick come out on the same day.

I wonder if we could have a deal in place with Carolina, something like our first for their first and their second, and then turn to New Jersey and demand they give us #7 and #18/20 or we give the #6 to Carolina.

And I think I'm fully on board with Lundell. He seems like a very "Ducks" pick.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Trading down for a player the team wants sounds very counterintuitive. Remember, the Ducks took Lindholm 6th overall while many had him rated in the mid-teens. The last time the Ducks traded down was in 2011. Anaheim owned the 22nd pick and had targeted Stefan Noesen, but Ottawa selected him a pick ahead. That prompted the Ducks to trade down for the 30th and 39th picks, which turned out to be Rakell and Gibson. (At that time I was perplexed because based upon talent we should have drafted Gibson first and then Rakell.) The only time the Ducks were trying to trade up was last year by packaging the 29th and 39th to jump up to 18th, provided Peyton Krebs falls to 18th.

If the Ducks want a specific player at 6, then they're going to grab select him there. Although Madden said he likes 1-12, that doesn't mean Players ranked 1 - 12 are of equal talent. There are tiers to the top-12. Since the draft is unpredictable, why gamble with trading down on "hoping" the player you want will still be there a few spots down. If they didn't do it in 2012 with Lindholm, then they probably wouldn't do it again this year. I said probably, but since he's a GM, he has to entertain all possibilities because that's what good GM's do. Yet, we do have the pattern of this draft team.

I don't think we're going to trade down from 6th because there are a few talents that will be there for the Ducks to pick and choose based upon their list. If they trade down, then they become beholden on what's left behind. What if the player they wanted wasn't there? Then the gamble failed, but we'll never know if they did because they'll probably make a selection there than to trade down again. Would you trade down from 6th overall in 2012 and have the possibility of losing Lindholm? Would you be happy to be stuck with Koekkoek instead of Lindholm?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I was thinking this also. It seems awfully convenient that the news of NJ wanting Askarov at 7 and us being willing to move the 6th pick come out on the same day.

I wonder if we could have a deal in place with Carolina, something like our first for their first and their second, and then turn to New Jersey and demand they give us #7 and #18/20 or we give the #6 to Carolina.

And I think I'm fully on board with Lundell. He seems like a very "Ducks" pick.

I'd be down to trading down one spot knowing that the Devils are in on Askarov. #6 for #7 and #83 (rd 3). This ensures we get the player we want and pick up a 3rd rounder, provided the Devils want Askarov. Maybe #6 and #27 for #7 and #20, if we want to be that creative because we're dangling that Carolina called up about moving up.

I'm not okay with dropping down to #13 from #6.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I think if NJ trades up for #6 its for Rossi, he'll be a big hit in the Jersey Shore area like Palmieri. Even if he moves to the wing that gives NJ a winger that can drive a line.
I'd prefer Rossi over Drysdale and Sanderson. Would rather draft Rossi and let someone else draft those Dmen.

The talk of trading down to me sounds like Murray and Madden are not sure about drafting Rossi even though they make think he's BPA but comes with risk of moving to the wing, as though they want him if he stays as a Center but given he's even shorter than Point, maybe they could be thinking its a 40% chance he stays at Center.
At that point maybe they trade down to #8 and pick Jarvis, Quinn or even Holtz.

 

[duckpuck]

I'd be down to trading down one spot knowing that the Devils are in on Askarov. #6 for #7 and #83 (rd 3). This ensures we get the player we want and pick up a 3rd rounder, provided the Devils want Askarov. Maybe #6 and #27 for #7 and #20, if we want to be that creative because we're dangling that Carolina called up about moving up.

I'm not okay with dropping down to #13 from #6.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't know how you can say your 'not ok" with dropping down to 13 unless you don't know what's being offered. But I agree it is a big difference so the offer would need to be big.

I think Minn at 9 could be looking to trade up for either a center or askarov. That would be a decent place to land (again, assuming Minn. made it worth it). Minnesota has a 2021 first round pick they obtained from Pittsburg in the Zucker trade - it would be nice to get that since I think Pittsburgh could be next years San Jose.

If the ducks can convince NJ that someone else is moving up, I could see a scenario where they do something like this:

To Anaheim - 7 and 18th or 20th pick
To NJ - 6 and 27

 

[AngelDuck]

Eric Stephens is doing a much better job of actually doing his job since the move to the Athletic. I’m beginning to think the OCR was the problem.

Props to him

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

I'd be down to trading down one spot knowing that the Devils are in on Askarov. #6 for #7 and #83 (rd 3). This ensures we get the player we want and pick up a 3rd rounder, provided the Devils want Askarov. Maybe #6 and #27 for #7 and #20, if we want to be that creative because we're dangling that Carolina called up about moving up.

I'm not okay with dropping down to #13 from #6.

It would take more than a third round pick in order for Anaheim to move down even just a spot

 

[JabbaJabba]

Has there been any info who the Ducks have interviewed?

I don't like the idea of trading down the 6th pick. There's quality players to be drafted so take one and be happy.